Poll of the Day > If 2 guys get in a FIGHT but 1 takes out GUN and KILLS him, is it SELF DEFENSE?.

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This is something that i don't get with stand your ground laws..It says if you feel threatened with your life by someone you have legal authority to kill that person.

So if 2 guys get into a fist fight over an argument or drunken argument but suddenly one of the guys feels "threatened" by the other and thinks he's gonna lose then takes out a gun and kills that other guy, would this be considered self defense and stand your ground too?

Fist fights happen all the time which you can see lots of on youtube and rarely do you ever see someone take it to the next level and kills the other but stand your ground could be a loophole to allow that person to if the loser of this fight feels "threatened" and then kills the other.

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Stand Your Ground does not make sense period.

I have no problem with a law that gives you the power to defend your home, but stand your ground is dumb as shit and should be removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clKi92j6eLE

Depends on if the state has a "kill the witness" law.

"Stand your ground" is an inaccurate title.

Monopoman posted...

Stand Your Ground does not make sense period.

I have no problem with a law that gives you the power to defend your home, but stand your ground is dumb as shit and should be removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clKi92j6eLE

Both laws are bad because you can just murder an unarmed person if they happened to have broken into your home.
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Only if the dude who shot in self defense got jumped, you can't consent to a fight and then bitch out halfway through

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Self defence implies someone attacked you or at least tried to and you defended yourself. In a fight both folk tend to be attacking each other so no that would be murder.

Revelation34 posted...

if they happened to have broken into your home.

Yeah I mean that was a mistake. They clearly wanted to break into the neighbours house.

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Revelation34 posted...

Both laws are bad because you can just murder an unarmed person if they happened to have broken into your home.

What's wrong with that? Don't break into people's houses if you don't want to be shot

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Muscles posted...

What's wrong with that? Don't break into people's houses if you don't want to be shot

Lol.
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Muscles posted...

What's wrong with that? Don't break into people's houses if you don't want to be shot

Agreed. Don't attempt to steal other folks things too. I honestly don't understand the mentality of some folk who believe they stand any sort of moral high ground when they steal peoples things and/or break into peoples homes. You commit the crime? You suffer the possible consequences. You don't get to choose what you deem suitable.

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Steal from someone? Get shot.
Attack someone un provoked? Get shot.
Break into someones home? Get shot
Don't do illegal things? Probably get shot anyway (especially depending on your race).

But honestly if you do attack someone, try to steal their stuff etc, you should expect to be shot cause your a jerk.

Also it's legal to shoot them if they have a turnip, those things are WAY more deadly than guns.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Agreed. Don't attempt to steal other folks things too. I honestly don't understand the mentality of some folk who believe they stand any sort of moral high ground when they steal peoples things and/or break into peoples homes. You commit the crime? You suffer the possible consequences. You don't get to choose what you deem suitable.

So are you saying Link shouldn't go into people's houses and break their pots for rupees?

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Ogurisama posted...

So are you saying Link shouldn't go into people's houses and break their pots for rupees?

I woulda so shot Link, even if he brought a pizza with him.

*I mean, if I owned a gun, had pots, and had ruppees to put in pots that is*

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Ogurisama posted...

So are you saying Link shouldn't go into people's houses and break their pots for rupees?

Link would get a arrow to the knee....

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When considering stand your ground laws, the biggest factor at play is race. So... is the shooter white or not? That will greatly impact whether or not it is considered self-defense.

Muscles posted...

What's wrong with that? Don't break into people's houses if you don't want to be shot

What if Tom Brady walks through your front door and starts unloading football gear onto your floor because he thought your house was his new team's trainer's house, that actually lived next door? Can you shoot him?

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HelIWithoutSin posted...

What if Tom Brady walks through your front door and starts unloading football gear onto your floor because he thought your house was his new team's trainer's house, that actually lived next door? Can you shoot him?

Yup, dont' clutter up my house motherfucker.

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HelIWithoutSin posted...

What if Tom Brady walks through your front door and starts unloading football gear onto your floor because he thought your house was his new team's trainer's house, that actually lived next door? Can you shoot him?

Anyone with a working brain could tell the difference between someone accidentally walking into your unlocked house in the middle of the day and apologizing and someone breaking and entering in the middle of the night to steal shit, and more likely than not, harm you

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Muscles posted...

Anyone with a working brain could tell the difference between someone accidentally walking into your unlocked house in the middle of the day and apologizing and someone breaking and entering in the middle of the night to steal shit, and more likely than not, harm you

So is your answer no?

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HelIWithoutSin posted...

So is your answer no?

I think you shouldn't be shot for innocently going into the wrong house, you should be shot if you are trying to rob/hurt someone though

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If two people are just in a fightfight and -- no conditions changing -- one kills the other, that's not a SYG defense. However, if one person attacks the other and starts beating him up, that could qualify as a SYG defense.

Monopoman posted...

Stand Your Ground does not make sense period.

I have no problem with a law that gives you the power to defend your home, but stand your ground is dumb as shit and should be removed.

SYG serves an important function in offering self-defense outside the home. And the SYG claims generally fall through in cases where people try to apply it egregiously. In the absence of SYG, you have Duty to Retreat where you can go to prison for defending yourself unless you're literally stuck in a corner.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Depends on if the state has a "kill the witness" law.

"Stand your ground" is an inaccurate title.

Once again, you can't spell BS0 without BS! Although that's probably one of the more ridiculous claims BS0 has made.

Revelation34 posted...

Both laws are bad because you can just murder an unarmed person if they happened to have broken into your home.

This might surprise you, but it's possible to be seriously harmed or even killed by an unarmed person.

JTekashiro posted...

When considering stand your ground laws, the biggest factor at play is race. So... is the shooter white or not? That will greatly impact whether or not it is considered self-defense.

When considering your posts, the biggest factor at play is whether they need a laugh track. And considering that almost all of those posts you make on that alt are race-bait trolling you wouldn't risk on your main, they certainly do.

HelIWithoutSin posted...

What if Tom Brady walks through your front door and starts unloading football gear onto your floor because he thought your house was his new team's trainer's house, that actually lived next door? Can you shoot him?

If somebody is bringing large amounts of stuff into your house rather than out of it, you're probably not going to shoot them.

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I read the title like this:

If 2 guys get in a FIGHT but 1 takes out GUN and KILLS himSELF


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Muscles posted...

I think you shouldn't be shot for innocently going into the wrong house, you should be shot if you are trying to rob/hurt someone though

What about intentionally going into the wrong house? What if you come home to find your door broken, some of your food eaten, and a stranger asleep on your couch? Can you shoot them? What about shoplifters? Can you shoot them?

Zeus posted...

If somebody is bringing large amounts of stuff into your house rather than out of it, you're probably not going to shoot them.

Nobody asked about probability.

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HelIWithoutSin posted...

What about intentionally going into the wrong house? What if you come home to find your door broken, some of your food eaten, and a stranger asleep on your couch? Can you shoot them? What about shoplifters? Can you shoot them?

Yes.


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HelIWithoutSin posted...

What about intentionally going into the wrong house? What if you come home to find your door broken, some of your food eaten, and a stranger asleep on your couch? Can you shoot them? What about shoplifters? Can you shoot them?

Why are you trying so hard to protect burglars/murderers/rapists from getting shot? Stop bringing up strawman arguments

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Zeus posted...

This might surprise you, but it's possible to be seriously harmed or even killed by an unarmed person.

Everybody who is unarmed and breaks into a house is Bruce Lee.

Muscles posted...

Why are you trying so hard to protect burglars/murderers/rapists from getting shot? Stop bringing up strawman arguments

What if you break into the wrong house because your key doesn't work then shoot the unarmed person who is inside it?
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Muscles posted...

Why are you trying so hard to protect burglars/murderers/rapists from getting shot? Stop bringing up strawman arguments

Protect burglars, murderers, and rapists? When did I ever say anything like that? Stop bringing up strawman arguments. I could very well completely agree with you. I'm just looking for more of your insight because you have this crime and punishment stuff all figured out.

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HelIWithoutSin posted...

Protect burglars, murderers, and rapists? When did I ever say anything like that? Stop bringing up strawman arguments. I could very well completely agree with you. I'm just looking for more of your insight because you have this crime and punishment stuff all figured out.

You said that when you said people shouldn't shoot any unarmed people in your house, I'm not saying shoot first, if something seems weird like they're sleeping on your couch or seem confused at where they are then it would be best to see what's up instead of just shooting, but either way you should be making sure they are a real threat before you start shooting

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Muscles posted...

You said that when you said people shouldn't shoot any unarmed people in your house, I'm not saying shoot first, if something seems weird like they're sleeping on your couch or seem confused at where they are then it would be best to see what's up instead of just shooting, but either way you should be making sure they are a real threat before you start shooting

I said no such thing. Stop bringing up strawman arguments.

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"I had no choice. I thought I was going to lose the fight I started."

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HelIWithoutSin posted...

What about intentionally going into the wrong house? What if you come home to find your door broken, some of your food eaten, and a stranger asleep on your couch? Can you shoot them? What about shoplifters? Can you shoot them?

Intentionally going into the wrong house is trespassing. Generally speaking, the Castle Doctrine will shield you from killing most home invaders, even those who aren't an immediate threat.

As for shoplifters, if you're the store owner or an employee, you might be able to do that. If you're just a private citizen, it's unlikely.

HelIWithoutSin posted...

Nobody asked about probability.

That directly correlates in the question of a shooting under those circumstances.

Revelation34 posted...

Everybody who is unarmed and breaks into a house is Bruce Lee.

You don't need to be Bruce Lee to kill somebody without a weapon. You don't even need to be bigger, stronger, or better-trained to kill somebody without a weapon, although those things certainly help.

Revelation34 posted...

What if you break into the wrong house because your key doesn't work then shoot the unarmed person who is inside it?

What if you're able to gain access to the place because the lock doesn't work properly so the fact that your key doesn't work doesn't make a difference?

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Zeus posted...

What if you're able to gain access to the place because the lock doesn't work properly so the fact that your key doesn't work doesn't make a difference?

That's not how picklocking works.
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Revelation34 posted...

That's not how picklocking works.

Probably because no picklocking was involved. Nor was any lockpicking.

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Fist fighting can easily cause brain damage or death so defending yourself with lethal force if need be is justified to me. It's a bit of a different story if you pick the fight though.

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Muscles posted...

I think you shouldn't be shot for innocently going into the wrong house, you should be shot if you are trying to rob/hurt someone though

most break-ins are usually in for a fast grab, by bringing a weapon it means one less free hand, ok?

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