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TendoDRM
09/09/20 1:25:58 PM
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Smackems posted...
Star Warz is dead now
You can't spell PT, OT, and ST without POS...

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Veggeta_MAX
09/09/20 1:26:51 PM
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Hate Star Wars all yall want. Yall will be ready for the next movie in cosplay LMAO.

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SSJGrimReaper
09/09/20 1:28:24 PM
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baby yoda from mandolorian is more memorable than any of the sequel trilogy characters

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/09/20 1:29:18 PM
#54:


Veggeta_MAX posted...
Hate Star Wars all yall want. Yall will be ready for the next movie in cosplay LMAO.
No true Star Wars fan would have fun with Star Wars. Begone with ye,

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dave_is_slick
09/09/20 1:32:41 PM
#55:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
I can't believe its like the other Star Wars trilogies, how dare they.
It's not, but go off.

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Lysandear
09/09/20 1:33:57 PM
#56:


Veggeta_MAX posted...
Hate Star Wars all yall want. Yall will be ready for the next movie in cosplay LMAO.
I wanna say this is an exaggeration but so many people on CE who hated TLJ or lost interest in SW as a result turned around and said they would watch Rise just to "enjoy the shitshow" or w/e

Like why reward the studio for that? I didn't see Rise and haven't given a dime to SW since TLJ

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Veggeta_MAX
09/09/20 1:36:20 PM
#57:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
No true Star Wars fan would have fun with Star Wars. Begone with ye,
That's true. To be a Star Wars fan you have to hate Star Wars.

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Nacen
09/09/20 1:38:19 PM
#58:


TendoDRM posted...
You can't spell PT, OT, and ST without POS...


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IShall_Run_Amok
09/09/20 1:39:27 PM
#59:


dave_is_slick posted...
It's not, but go off.
It literally is. They were all crapshoots, and whatever plans they made were thrown out anyway. Its an intrinsically Star Wars way to make movies, even if it didn't turn out better than the originals (but still much better than the prequels).

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Lysandear
09/09/20 1:39:54 PM
#60:


Hey dave I know you like Fallen Order but does that include the story/writing?
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Arrow2theknees
09/09/20 1:40:40 PM
#61:


Proto_Spark posted...
nothing involving Star Wars is going to be well received by those people.

*looks at The Mandalorian*
turns out if you make a decent product SW fans will like it.

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Kuuko
09/09/20 1:46:40 PM
#62:


Arrow2theknees posted...
*looks at The Mandalorian*
turns out if you make a decent product SW fans will like it.
I love that the Mandalorian exists almost as a perfect rebuttal to so many dumb Star Wars takes. A popular one going around after RoS came out was "people just have Star Wars fatigue from too much coming out too fast" or the ever-present "Star Wars fans are the worst and just hate everything new that's Star Wars", which is all immediately debunked by Mandalorian being extraordinarily popular and well-received among everyone

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
09/09/20 1:49:24 PM
#63:


Disney abandoned George Lucas' sequel outline because they thought the films would make more money by distancing from the Prequel Trilogy.
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Proto_Spark
09/09/20 1:49:52 PM
#64:


Kuuko posted...
I love that the Mandalorian exists almost as a perfect rebuttal to so many dumb Star Wars takes. A popular one going around after RoS came out was "people just have Star Wars fatigue from too much coming out too fast" or the ever-present "Star Wars fans are the worst and just hate everything new that's Star Wars", which is all immediately debunked by Mandalorian being extraordinarily popular and well-received among everyone

Really, its because the Mandalorian is barely a Star Wars movie. Its space gunsmoke and the only thing that makes it remotely Star Wars is the main character dresses kinda like Boba Fett and Baby Yoda.

When pre-existing Star Wars stuff comes up and people still like it, it'll be a decent rebuttal.
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Lysandear
09/09/20 1:52:11 PM
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the worst thing about the mandalorian is baby yoda and these two things

1) anytime the force shows up
2) the lightsaber

I wanna forget I'm watching SW with that show, which for the most part i do
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IShall_Run_Amok
09/09/20 1:52:39 PM
#66:


Arrow2theknees posted...
*looks at The Mandalorian*
turns out if you make a decent product SW fans will like it.
"Decent product" is a good way to describe The Mandalorian. Like its a shoe that won't fall apart after a month, or a box of cereal that won't chip your teeth when you eat the cereal.

Its not a bad thing at all; its easily better than Solo or Rogue One, and way more consistently enjoyable than that Clone Wars cartoon and, I assume, the other cartoons, but its also really basic and generic storytelling, with few of the twists or subversions found in the most memorable, for better or worse, Star Wars films.

I can't wait for Ahsoka to appear. Not because I like Ahsoka - I couldn't care less about her as a character or her weird place in the story - but because it will be the real test of whether or not this venture holds up in fans' eyes.

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Lysandear
09/09/20 1:54:18 PM
#67:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
"Decent product" is a good way to describe The Mandalorian. Like its a shoe that won't fall apart after a month, or a box of cereal that won't chip your teeth when you eat the cereal.
nah it's definitely better than "meets the minimum passing requirement"

it's a genuinely fun thing to watch so to say it's just the bare minimum seems pretty wrong imo
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Serious Cat
09/09/20 1:54:42 PM
#68:


Proto_Spark posted...


I think its much more likely there was a whole plan for the sequel trilogy that was thrown out after people showed so much hate towards the Last Jedi. So Disney abandoned whatever they were planning to try to win these Star Wars haters back even though they were never going to be won over. Its also why all of the retcons and awkward parts really work around Rise of Skywalker instead of the previous two movies.

I absolutely loved The Last Jedi though, so whatever
No, they gave Rian Johnson free rein to do what he wanted and then Trevorrow was going to get his movie to do what he wanted. There was no overarching plan.

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IfGodCouldDie
09/09/20 2:47:20 PM
#69:


PatrickMahomes posted...
Irrational?
Hating a piece of media is irrational

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AvantgardeAClue
09/09/20 2:54:51 PM
#70:


Veggeta_MAX posted...
That's true. To be a Star Wars fan you have to hate Star Wars.

I love the OT unconditionally and even the PT

What is this weird ass angle people keep throwing out about "Oh the ones complaining about the ST doesn't like anything", no we just don't fucking like the ST lol

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PoundGarden
09/09/20 2:56:55 PM
#71:


monkmith posted...
great lightsaber fights, great battle sequences, actual jedi. hell, the phantom menace has one of the best, if not the best, lightsaber fight in any of the movies.

They've not aged well. My gf wanted to watch the entire saga and the prequels have just gotten worse. At the time the saber fights were the tits, looking back they're pretty campy. At several points during the Maul/Obi/Qui Gon fight at least one of the combatants is just kind of standing there waiting for the next scripted move instead of stabbing some back.
Ray Park still holds up though and I would argue his acting was hands down the best of the trilogy, and he had all of what, 9 lines? But god DAMN did he deliver them
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sLaCkEr408___RJ
09/09/20 2:59:16 PM
#72:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
I love the OT unconditionally and even the PT

What is this weird ass angle people keep throwing out about "Oh the ones complaining about the ST doesn't like anything", no we just don't fucking like the ST lol
People who don't understand star wars trying to tell life time fans they actually hate the franchise
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Veggeta_MAX
09/09/20 3:13:16 PM
#73:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
I love the OT unconditionally and even the PT

What is this weird ass angle people keep throwing out about "Oh the ones complaining about the ST doesn't like anything", no we just don't fucking like the ST lol
Well you speak only for yourself.

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Veggeta_MAX
09/09/20 3:13:51 PM
#74:


sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
People who don't understand star wars trying to tell life time fans they actually hate the franchise
Have you seen some of these posts ITT?

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
09/09/20 3:15:33 PM
#75:


Veggeta_MAX posted...
Have you seen some of these posts ITT?
Just the ones I responded to. Haven't read the whole thing. @work
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ledbowman
09/09/20 3:17:35 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok
09/09/20 3:27:18 PM
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Lifelong Star Wars fans who don't see how the prequels completely contradict things we're told in the original movies, but lose their marbles over the sequels when they do so to a lesser degree, should probably just stand still and be embarassed when they get called out on not understanding Star Wars.

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Veggeta_MAX
09/09/20 3:31:13 PM
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It will generally boil down to this: you guys take this shit way too fucking seriously. Can anyone here honestly say they like Star Wars for being a popcorn action flick?

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HylianFox
09/09/20 3:32:20 PM
#79:


Veggeta_MAX posted...
you guys take this shit way too fucking seriously.

oh vegy, don't sit there and tell me there isn't any piece of fiction you don't get bent out of shape over

maybe we do take this shit too seriously, but there's really no excusing bad storytelling
especially since it *wants* you to take it seriously

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
09/09/20 3:35:09 PM
#80:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Lifelong Star Wars fans who don't see how the prequels completely contradict things we're told in the original movies, but lose their marbles over the sequels when they do so to a lesser degree, should probably just stand still and be embarassed when they get called out on not understanding Star Wars.
A big issue was how the Sequel Trilogy felt very corporate. It didn't help when Disney announced how the ST wouldn't use George Lucas' story outline. I don't see any long time fans denying inconsistencies from OT to PT.
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Lysandear
09/09/20 3:37:27 PM
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There really is no defending the prequels, even by proxy. IDK why anyone tries. Basically nothing in the movies is any good aside from their score
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BruceWayneJr
09/09/20 3:38:04 PM
#82:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Lifelong Star Wars fans who don't see how the prequels completely contradict things we're told in the original movies

Sigh. Okay, what in the prequels completely contradicts things we're told in the original movies? Tell me how Qui-Gon, midichlorians, and Leia remembering her mommy destroyed Star Wars.

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AvantgardeAClue
09/09/20 3:39:05 PM
#83:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Lifelong Star Wars fans who don't see how the prequels completely contradict things we're told in the original movies, but lose their marbles over the sequels when they do so to a lesser degree, should probably just stand still and be embarassed when they get called out on not understanding Star Wars.

So either you hate both the PT and ST and be labeled as one of the "doesn't actually like Star Wars despite calling themselves a fan" people or only hate the ST and get deemed as "doesn't understand Star Wars"

Y'all love your catch-22s I see

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
09/09/20 3:41:34 PM
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My partner and I marathoned all the star wars films [one movie per week] leading up to the release of The Rise of Skywalker. Their opinion after completing the entire saga was that OT had the simplest but best story. PT was most thrilling and sad. ST had cool moments [specifically Kylo x Rey].

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Veggeta_MAX
09/09/20 3:41:35 PM
#85:


HylianFox posted...
oh vegy, don't sit there and tell me there isn't any piece of fiction you don't get bent out of shape over
I honestly don't. I am a huge fan of WWE, Dragon Ball, Star Wars and a ton of other things and the one bad thing about each one of those communities is everyone deeply analyzes about dumb shit and takes things waaaaayyy too seriously.

This is why The Fast and Furious community is great. They understand that if shit started to make sense in the series then the series would never be as good as it is.

Look man, unless the fiction is made to dissect(like Coens movies), yall should just enjoy things for what it is.

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Lysandear
09/09/20 3:43:19 PM
#86:


sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
My partner and I marathoned all the star wars films [one movie per week] leading up to the release of The Rise of Skywalker

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Their opinion after completing the entire saga was that ... PT was most thrilling and sad

I don't believe you. Not even saying it like in the usual gamefaqs way, but what you posted is just straight up not believable unless you planted the seed into your partner that the PT has anything to offer
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AvantgardeAClue
09/09/20 3:47:02 PM
#87:


Veggeta_MAX posted...
I honestly don't. I am a huge fan of WWE, Dragon Ball, Star Wars and a ton of other things and the one bad thing about each one of those communities is everyone deeply analyzes about dumb shit and takes things waaaaayyy too seriously.

This is why The Fast and Furious community is great. They understand that if shit started to make sense in the series then the series would never be as good as it is.

Look man, unless the fiction is made to dissect(like Coens movies), yall should just enjoy things for what it is.

Fast & Furious was always intended to be a low-focus action series whereas Star Wars is a space opera. That doesn't mean it can't be good, but not having a focus isn't a positive whatsoever lol, that some "consoom product" thinking

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
09/09/20 3:49:44 PM
#88:


Lysandear posted...
I don't believe you. Not even saying it like in the usual gamefaqs way, but what you posted is just straight up not believable unless you planted the seed into your partner that the PT has anything to offer
I have no reason to lie and even less reason to try convincing you otherwise.
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BruceWayneJr
09/09/20 3:49:48 PM
#89:


Lysandear posted...
I don't believe you. Not even saying it like in the usual gamefaqs way, but what you posted is just straight up not believable unless you planted the seed into your partner that the PT has anything to offer

Heh, frothing at the fucking mouth at the idea of someone liking something you don't. "Noooo... It's not true. That's impossible! NOOOOOO!"

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Tyranthraxus
09/09/20 4:12:33 PM
#90:


Blightzkrieg posted...
Both the OT and PT has only broad outlines, and famously the Vader and Leia twists were not planned beforehand.

I don't think Empire Strikes Back was planned at all. At the time Lucas was facing a very real potential that he wouldn't get to make another Star Wars movie. When Star Wars completely blew out everyone's expectations that changed. They didn't start work on ESB until after Star Wars was a hit. Lucas probably decided Vader was Luke's father at that time.

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Blightzkrieg
09/09/20 4:16:16 PM
#91:


Tyranthraxus posted...
I don't think Empire Strikes Back was planned at all. At the time Lucas was facing a very real potential that he wouldn't get to make another Star Wars movie. When Star Wars completely blew out everyone's expectations that changed. They didn't start work on ESB until after Star Wars was a hit. Lucas probably decided Vader was Luke's father at that time.
There's a mildly well known 9 movie "draft" from around the time ANH was being made, with about a sentence for each film. Very different from what we ended up with. Star Wars was always intended as a franchise, but the individual bits were constantly changing. Vader was definitely not Luke's father until ESB was being made, that much is confirmed (and even then we don't know how late in development that twist was implemented, it was kept very hush).

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tommybel89
09/09/20 4:18:18 PM
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As the details spill out, I'm not sure what's worse.

The boardroom people

or

The people who grew up as fanboys with creative control behind the cameras

It all feels rotten.

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Lysandear
09/09/20 4:19:33 PM
#93:


tommybel89 posted...
The people who grew up as fanboys with creative control behind the cameras
did this happen? was jj a sw fanboy?
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tommybel89
09/09/20 4:23:09 PM
#94:


Lysandear posted...
did this happen? was jj a sw fanboy?
I don't know entirely, but I assume so.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
09/09/20 4:30:16 PM
#95:


Tyranthraxus posted...
I don't think Empire Strikes Back was planned at all. At the time Lucas was facing a very real potential that he wouldn't get to make another Star Wars movie. When Star Wars completely blew out everyone's expectations that changed. They didn't start work on ESB until after Star Wars was a hit. Lucas probably decided Vader was Luke's father at that time.

There is a pretty good interview between Christopher Nolan and George Lucas on youtube, where Lucas said his first Star Wars script was like 250 pages and was about Darth Vader killing everyone in act 1, act 2 you find out the kid is Vader's son, and act 3 is the kid forgiving his dad. The script was so long though he just turned Act 1 into a full movie. Who knows if this is actually true though, Lucas seems to be slowly warping his memories the more he tells them lol

I cannot believe Kathleen Kennedy hasn't been fired after this massive bungling of Star Wars, especially when they have THE example of a connected universe right next door in Marvel. They at least needed some sort of main story beats from the producers, what in the hell were they thinking that they could literally just wing it for 3 movies?

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ledbowman
09/09/20 4:42:46 PM
#96:


tommybel89 posted...
As the details spill out, I'm not sure what's worse.

The boardroom people

or

The people who grew up as fanboys with creative control behind the cameras

It all feels rotten.
definitely the behind the camera

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tommybel89
09/09/20 4:44:00 PM
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It's funny that the lesson I'm seeing here (and have believed for several years) is that UNPLANNED Star Wars is the best Star Wars. The first movie only fell into place after George's original plans were sidetracked to hell and back and his movie was re-edited. ESB is probably a mix but the product feels so fresh that it doesn't matter. RotJ is fine, the prequels are the prequels (I'll be nice) but nearly everything else is just 'let's cannibalize the OT'.

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BruceWayneJr
09/09/20 4:52:15 PM
#98:


AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
They at least needed some sort of main story beats from the producers, what in the hell were they thinking that they could literally just wing it for 3 movies?

I don't know, but that was a huge red flag for me in the beginning, regardless of how I felt about Abrams or Disney. It just wasn't a good plan to begin with and most folks just assumed there would be a through line.

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TecTheTractor
09/09/20 6:04:27 PM
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The biggest shame is that we never got Han, Leia, and Luke together for a scene.

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HylianFox
09/09/20 6:05:19 PM
#100:


TecTheTractor posted...
The biggest shame is that we never got Han, Leia, and Luke together for an orgy scene.


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