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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Other people did research and don't immediately fall for phony outrage.

what kind of stuck up nonresponse is this

im legitimately asking why everyone isn't against shit like zooming in on these childrens asses and chests. you can make a point with a movie like this without actually doing the things that you're trying to make a point about. if this is the kind of stuff that's actually in the movie and netflix advertised it using those posters and described it as 11 year old girls joining a twerking dance team then what the fuck are we actually disagreeing about here?

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No. They could get the message about exploitation out without dressing kids up like they're hookers.

I have no strong opinions. I haven't looked into it much other than what I see on ce about it and I almost certainly never will. But the outrage I see also does seem to be at least partially an artifact american prudishness.

I think the comparison to good boys is interesting though not really spot on. In that movie the boys have agency and the sexuality you see expressed is theirs, it doesn't have them as the objects. Of course maybe that's the idea with this cuties movie, I'll never know.

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Prismsblade posted...

Just wondering but did they HAVE to use young children 11-13yos for its premise? They probabaly could have told a similar story through young adult woman 18-21yos in the porn industry if it was about exploitation and stuff.

The movie is about the director's own personal experience. It's not a hypothetical situation about all female exploitation. It's specially about the kind of stuff she was subjected to as an 11 year old girl.

The issue is there's a lot of outrage against this movie but not a lot of outrage against the real shit going on that created it, like, for example, how the owner of miss teen USA used to barge in on girls in their rooms while they were changing clothes.

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Hard no.

I want it taken off Netflix and for the creators to be thoroughly investigated

its not like theyre forcing you to watch it is like saying child abuse is ok as long as you dont know its happening

this isnt the first instance of this sort of thing existing, but we cant continue to let it snowball, it must be stopped

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Sorry mustve forgot being a victim gives you immunity

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Conflict posted...

from what I gather, the movie has a good concept but it was executed poorly

lol yes investigate the literal victim of sexual assault for creating a movie trying to bring awareness to it. excellent idea, einstein

Shit, I forgot that victims of child abuse can't abuse children themselves. Damn, my bad.
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closetjpopfan posted...

The film is intended to criticise the hypersexualisation of pre-adolescent girls

Proceeds to hypersexualize pre-adolescent girls.

Thats how all these shows manage to operate in the mainstream. Im bringing awareness to the destructive and predatory nature of underage relationships. Now watch this 13 year old make out with a 50 year old dude. Oh and theres nudity for artistic reasons.

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And to no one's surprise, Conflict defends it.

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Conflict posted...

it's glaringly obvious to anyone with at least half a brain cell that the creator isn't on some Dan Schneider-type shit

it's just a poorly executed attempt at bringing awareness to a real-world problem and that's what it should be acknowledged as

Poorly executed... come on. Everyone involved in its creation is a sick fuck. Those poor young girls are too young to understand what they were having done to them.

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Conflict posted...

it's just a poorly executed attempt at bringing awareness to a real-world problem

Is it though?

Or is it a way to cash in by titalizing pedos and justifying its existence under the guise of awareness?

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Something I don't understand is why everyone coming out to condemn this movie is acting like these actresses were orphans pulled in off the street and exploited in a locked room with the director. I'm sure these kids have parents, and the parents were well informed to everything involved with the production/on set for a vast majority of the shoot.

Drawing attention to an issue =/= condoning its existence. Ignorance and calling for the censorship of anything acknowledging the problem, which is what most seem to be advocating, does not erase the problem itself, and in actuality, only makes it worse.

I think I'm out after this post. Qanon has destroyed critical thought.

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I forgot it was a thing until this topic.

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Frogles posted...

why aren't we all on the same side on this one?

Because at least on paper the movie is raising awareness of the issue and promoting discussion. I'm indifferent because while I agree with that sentiment I think the movie is the wrong way to do so. So I don't believe the movie shouldn't exist, I just think it doesn't need to exist. The movie of course shouldn't exist in an ideal world, but we don't live in that world.

Some people who are saying yes, in fact hopefully all of them, are not saying yes because they think there's nothing wrong with it. They're saying yes precisely because there's something wrong with it and they see the movie as a means to bring awareness to the problem. The difference between me and them is that I think the movie is not a good way to do what it means to do.

I'm actually most confused by the people who condemn it. Like really? I don't know... maybe it's because I haven't actually watched a single scene, but then I don't intend to and I'm sure I don't need to.

I do find it interesting how this little issue showcases what I think is the diametrically opposite (political) mindset of two groups, what we call liberal and conservative. It shows two different ways of looking at things, thinking about things, doing things. Please, I don't mean to say that there is no overlap of them, across so many issues. Just kind of the two political extreme poles.

People criticizing this movie are acting like the things they show don't exist in real life.

You don't think there are dance/cheer competitions where young girls dance around in tight clothing?

If it bothers you so much go complain about the real thing instead of a movie that is actually criticizing such behavior.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

Something I don't understand is why everyone coming out to condemn this movie is acting like these actresses were orphans pulled in off the street and exploited in a locked room with the director. I'm sure these kids have parents, and the parents were well informed to everything involved with the production/on set for a vast majority of the shoot.

I think I'm out after this post. Qanon has destroyed critical thought.

Their parents are shit

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billcom6 posted...

People criticizing this movie are acting like the things they show don't exist in real life.

You don't think there are dance/cheer competitions where young girls dance around in tight clothing?

If it bothers you so much go complain about the real thing instead of a movie that is actually criticizing such behavior.

This post is a perfect example of whataboutism. And alot of people do complain about the real life beauty competitions as well. For a long time actually. But jackshit has been done about it. Ratings? Money? I don't know, and don't want to.

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I support freedom of expression and this movie is doing nothing illegal. Havent seen it, but Ive read reviews that the dancing scenes are uncomfortable to watch and maybe that is the point of the movie.

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Sheiky-Baby posted...

I don't know, and don't want to.

Congrats, youre one of the reasons this movie was made.

Balrog0 posted...

I have no strong opinions. I haven't looked into it much other than what I see on ce about it and I almost certainly never will. But the outrage I see also does seem to be at least partially an artifact american prudishness.

Doesn't it? That's what I'm saying, just raging against the movie seems to me too naive and I don't even know what the right word is... paradoxically at the same time too harsh. Yeah, puritanical. Case in point the very next comment.

BeyondWalls posted...

Thats how all these shows manage to operate in the mainstream. Im bringing awareness to the destructive and predatory nature of underage relationships. Now watch this 13 year old make out with a 50 year old dude. Oh and theres nudity for artistic reasons.

I know what you mean, yes in a way stuff like this is the unfortunate result of the whole problem in the first place. That's why I don't support it. And believe me, I understand the contradiction of fighting fire with fire... or whatever the logical arrangement, analogy is here. And yet I want to believe that there's a screwed up, messed up, and exceedingly tasteless but ultimately good intention behind the movie. You want to preserve as much goodness as you can out of something, not just condemn it.

Haven't seen it.

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PBusted posted...

Congrats, youre one of the reasons this movie was made.

Way to cut out the context trying to justify your little movie.

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Sheiky-Baby posted...

Way to cut out the context trying to justify your little movie.

What context? You were just proclaiming your willful ignorance and Im pointing out thats one of the reasons this movie was made.

chrono625 posted...

I watched a commentary video about it, and the scenes that he showed were really wrong. The actual actresses ranged between 11-13.

this movie isnt a social commentary about girls being free, its children doing stripper moves in front of a camera.

this movie is a pedos dream.

That's funny, cause I watched a commentary channel say the exact opposite. Now Im curious which is right. Was this a channel you were familiar with before watching that video?

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PBusted posted...

What context? You were just proclaiming your willful ignorance and Im pointing out thats one of the reasons this movie was made.

All the movie did was fuel QAnon and exploit some young girls for "art."

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Frogles posted...

what kind of stuck up nonresponse is this

im legitimately asking why everyone isn't against shit like zooming in on these childrens asses and chests. you can make a point with a movie like this without actually doing the things that you're trying to make a point about. if this is the kind of stuff that's actually in the movie and netflix advertised it using those posters and described it as 11 year old girls joining a twerking dance team then what the fuck are we actually disagreeing about here?

I'm not entirely sure how to respond to "why isn't everyone against these zoom shots", and I legitimately don't know what you want people to say, here. I'm not "against" these gross zoom shots because its not in my nature to be "against" stuff in movies. If there was any legitimate exploitation of the actresses for pure pleasure purposes, then naturally that's a bad thing and probably already illegal, but there's no real evidence of that occurring since the movie is, well, really gross and making people feel bad, not good. Even the pedophiles supposedly getting pleasure from it are entirely in people's imaginations.

I certainly find the way that contemporary societies foster this kind of behavior in girl children to be deeply problematic, and symptomatic of a lot of other very real and even much deeper problems, but attacking a movie which tackles the matter, because the camera movements and angles make Americans uncomfortable and think of pedophilia, is the very opposite way to address or explore the problem.

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Zodd3224 posted...

All the movie did was fuel QAnon and exploit some young girls for "art."

That sounds like something European authorities should decide and not randos from a conservative repressed country from across the globe.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I'm not entirely sure how to respond to "why isn't everyone against these zoom shots", and I legitimately don't know what you want people to say, here. I'm not "against" these gross zoom shots because its not in my nature to be "against" stuff in movies. If there was any legitimate exploitation of the actresses for pure pleasure purposes, then naturally that's a bad thing and probably already illegal, but there's no real evidence of that occurring since the movie is, well, really gross and making people feel bad, not good. Even the pedophiles supposedly getting pleasure from it are entirely in people's imaginations.

I certainly find the way that contemporary societies foster this kind of behavior in girl children to be deeply problematic, and symptomatic of a lot of other very real and even much deeper problems, but attacking a movie which tackles the matter, because the camera movements and angles make Americans uncomfortable and think of pedophilia, is the very opposite way to address or explore the problem.

Nod.

Ok this is the last thing im going to say about this matter and the people that claim they want to explain "awareness"

Lets say you murder someone (not a child) and go to prison. The general populace of the prison is not going to fight or stab you over a murder charge, unless it was some sicko shit.

If you go into a general population ANYWHERE IS THIS COUNTRY and they find out you've been doing bad shit to kids, good luck not getting raped/stabbed/beat to a pulp.

Point being is that degenerates in prison even know that sexualizing kids is bottom of the barrel, even murder is thought of as a more 'noble' crime.

If people in the pen already know it, I fail to see why we need to be made aware of it via Netflix showing provocative shit. Period. Fuck off with all the awareness bullshit if you don't know it aint cool to fuck with little kids you should be shamed and removed from society just like you'd be removed from a gen pop yard in prison.

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yemmy posted...

Ok this is the last thing im going to say about this matter and the people that claim they want to explain "awareness"

Lets say you murder someone (not a child) and go to prison. The general populace of the prison is not going to fight or stab you over a murder charge, unless it was some sicko shit.

If you go into a general population ANYWHERE IS THIS COUNTRY and they find out you've been doing bad shit to kids, good luck not getting raped/stabbed/beat to a pulp.

Point being is that degenerates in prison even know that sexualizing kids is bottom of the barrel, even murder is thought of as a more 'noble' crime.

If people in the pen already know it, I fail to see why we need to be made aware of it via Netflix showing provocative shit. Period. Fuck off with all the awareness bullshit if you don't know it aint cool to fuck with little kids you should be shamed and removed from society just like you'd be removed from a gen pop yard in prison.

That's pretty interesting. It explains the psychology and pathology behind the anger pretty well. It's a status thing

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yemmy posted...

Ok this is the last thing im going to say about this matter and the people that claim they want to explain "awareness"

Lets say you murder someone (not a child) and go to prison. The general populace of the prison is not going to fight or stab you over a murder charge, unless it was some sicko shit.

If you go into a general population ANYWHERE IS THIS COUNTRY and they find out you've been doing bad shit to kids, good luck not getting raped/stabbed/beat to a pulp.

Point being is that degenerates in prison even know that sexualizing kids is bottom of the barrel, even murder is thought of as a more 'noble' crime.

If people in the pen already know it, I fail to see why we need to be made aware of it via Netflix showing provocative shit. Period. Fuck off with all the awareness bullshit if you don't know it aint cool to fuck with little kids you should be shamed and removed from society just like you'd be removed from a gen pop yard in prison.

This movie isnt about adult sex offenders. Its about children sexualizing themselves. And of course that happens all the time, and in fact Im willing to bet is a bigger problem in US than its home country.

Balrog0 posted...

That's pretty interesting. It explains the psychology and pathology behind the anger pretty well. It's a status thing

its not a status thing. Its not a political thing. Its not a religious thing. You think people just hate on it because its cool to hate?

If someone scrolls through netflix and sees cuties, then proceeds to say I have no problem with this, I may even watch it I would find that incredibly suspicious

The reason people hate it is so obvious that defending it is sus

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PBusted posted...

This movie isnt about adult sex offenders. Its about children sexualizing themselves. And of course that happens all the time, and in fact Im willing to bet is a bigger problem in US than its home country.

They wouldn't have a twerk team if adults didn't enable it. The poster I saw had them all in the same skimpy uniforms doing poses. So adults didn't buy those uniforms? So the 11 year olds sold lemonade for them? Think about wtf you're saying. Sounds like you're blaming the kids.

Also fuck off with the "i bet this problem is bigger in the US" when you have no idea and this didn't cause the controversy there than it did in the US.

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yemmy posted...

They wouldn't have a twerk team if adults didn't enable it. The poster I saw had them all in the same skimpy uniforms doing poses. So adults didn't buy those uniforms? So the 11 year olds sold lemonade for them? Think about wtf you're saying. Sounds like you're blaming the kids.

Also fuck off with the "i bet this problem is bigger in the US" when you have no idea and this didn't cause the controversy there than it did in the US.

I'm talking about the actual phenomenon of kids sexualizing themselves due to social media and peer pressure. That's what this movie is about and has nothing to do with whatever prisoners attack sex offender (which btw this is also an American-centric thing) morality you're projecting.

I mean, I haven't seen any viral fads from France like cash me ousside girl and lil tay. The US also has a lot more teen pregnancy and lack of sex education. So yeah, even though I'm not an expert on French culture so I don't know for sure, I highly doubt France has it worse. This film not causing as much as a controversy there (and like pretty much every other country) only shows that they aren't repressed reactionaries unlike the US.

PBusted posted...

lil tay

Lil Tay acted like an exaggerated caricature of a male gangster rapper. She never sexualized herself.

The fact that you think Lil Tay sexualized herself speaks more about you than it does her.

Dude I'm just ignoring you, you keep on coming back to prison and we're not getting anywhere (and I think you're insinuating that the general population yards not wanting pedos on them is actually a bad thing which is suspect as fuck).

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yemmy posted...

Lil Tay acted like an exaggerated caricature of a male gangster rapper. She never sexualized herself.

The fact that you think Lil Tay sexualized herself speaks more about you than it does her.

Dude I'm just ignoring you, you keep on coming back to prison and we're not getting anywhere (and I think you're insinuating that the general population yards not wanting pedos on them is actually a bad thing which is suspect as fuck).

She's used sexual terms. That's definitely not how a kid her age should be acting anyway.

And uh what? Did you just drink or bump your head? You're the one who keeps bringing up prisons and sex offenders/pedos when I'm telling you this movie's themes have practically nothing to do with adults at all so your prison scenario is completely irrelevant. It's about the phenomenon of kids sexualizing themselves to their peers due to social media and peer pressure. Gen Pop is completely irrelevant to that.
Also I'm saying that vigilante prison crime is an American (male) prison stereotype so it's unlikely the female French director had that concept enter her mind at all.

Big yikes @PBusted

Bump

Glad to see the majority doesnt support this. The loud minority on these forums tricked me into think the majority of gamefaqs supported this trash

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Tequilawhatitdo posted...

I am genuinely curious why there wasnt this type of outrage over Good Boys. Is it because it was an American made comedy about boys? While Cuties is a French movie about girls that was written and directed by a Senegalese woman?

The qanon people freaked out over that one too, it just didn't catch on.

fuck no

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I don't see why anyone needs to anything Cuties. It exists. There is nothing to support or not support. There is no action or policy that should be enacted on it

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Zodd3224 posted...

Poorly executed... come on. Everyone involved in its creation is a sick fuck. Those poor young girls are too young to understand what they were having done to them.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the girls involved are being harassed on some level for their involvement in the film. I would hope not, but that seems to be how people work sometimes.

SpheneBean posted...

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the girls involved are being harassed on some level for their involvement in the film. I would hope not, but that seems to be how people work sometimes.

It would not be shocked if someone tracked down one of these girls and tried to "liberate" them

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This really needed a topic? When all it will do is cause annoying controversy.
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CosmicShadows posted...

This really needed a topic? When all it will do is cause annoying controversy.

Stay blind, become prey

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