Current Events > Super Mario 3D All Stars leaked. All the games are emulated.

(+) Yeah! (+)

tremain07 posted...

selling stolen games for full price

?

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They're using the same methods pirates use to steal games only putting it in a box, thus they are selling stolen product

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tremain07 posted...

They're using the same methods pirates use to steal games only putting it in a box, thus they are selling stolen product

This was debunked as fake years ago.

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Surprised no one was like SAUCE NAO but fine here it is anyway.

https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/9msl9j/update_did_nintendo_actually_download_roms_for/

Extra since the above link doesn't fully plug up every possible doubt.

https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/9msl9j/update_did_nintendo_actually_download_roms_for/e7iemhb

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Is it the thing about how they hired one of the developers behind the iNES header format to create inhouse Nes emulators, and people are mad because Nintendo didnt re-invent the wheel when the iNES header already worked perfect?

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Foppe posted...

Is it the thing about how they hired one of the developers behind the iNES header format to create inhouse Nes emulators, and people are mad because Nintendo didnt re-invent the wheel when the iNES header already worked perfect?

Well there's also the developer himself responsible for it saying exactly what happened & he confirms they dumped the roms internally.

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Nintendrones will still eat this shit up

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I don't understand, what does all this mean?

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PatrickMahomes posted...

I don't understand, what does all this mean?

It means they're not ports.

It means n64 and gamecube emus can potentially run other games.

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CyricZ posted...

Uh... yeah?

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Basically a port is ideally optimized for the hardware it is running on and may also feature enhancements. Emulation just uses software to simulate another set of hardware. Emulation is much cheaper since you can reuse the emulator for any other titles for that system. People are upset because the costs suggest these should be ports or at the very least using a lot of emulation enhancements to improve their graphics and quality of life features like save states, but they did very little.

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lmao imagine paying 60 bucks for a fucking ROM hack

lmaooooooo

Sony always wins baby
Sony always wins.

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ssjevot posted...

Basically a port is ideally optimized for the hardware it is running on and may also feature enhancements. Emulation just uses software to simulate another set of hardware. Emulation is much cheaper since you can reuse the emulator for any other titles for that system. People are upset because the costs suggest these should be ports or at the very least using a lot of emulation enhancements to improve their graphics and quality of life features like save states, but they did very little.

Emulators can also feature enhancements.

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They really are going to release a Zelda collection in this exact same format aren't they
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Mezcla posted...

lmao imagine paying 60 bucks for a fucking ROM hack

lmaooooooo

Sony always wins baby
Sony always wins.

All the PS2 games on PS4 are emulated ROMs too.

Pretty much every game that isn't a total reworked remaster is usually emulation.

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Foppe posted...

Emulators can also feature enhancements.

I literally mentioned that in my post. That's what emulation enhancements means.

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Can someone explain to me why this is bad? The news doesnt really mean much to me one way or the other.

https://twitter.com/IbDashing/status/1305830277864972298?s=20

Nintendo 64 coming to Nintendo Switch Online would be neat.

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Doom_Art posted...

Eh I still pre-ordered

So long as it runs without hiccup then I'm satisfied

Feel like folks got a little too hyped up prior to the announcement

The batshit insane expectations for this announcement are on the leakers. They all sat there saying oh it'll be a full remake of 64 and the other two will have massive improvements!! That's how they presented this and of course folks ran wild with it. And like always, after the announcement they all raged, screamed and shrieked because of the unrealistic expectations they created themselves. So a bit of this is also on gamers. It would be a different story if Nintendo had made a vague announcement claiming 64 would be redone and the other two would get massive improvements and then these early copies got out where folks found out that's not true but they didn't. They told you straight up what it is and didn't mislead you. Anyone with reasonable expectations out of the gate expected just ports, that's what I expected. Not surprised that's what they are and I'm okay with it. Buying it on Thursday.

Nate and his little leaker posse need to stop this, some of the general insanity around leaks and rumors had settled down for a while but of course they have to blow it up again. It's really simply down to gamers yet again running wild having these batshit insane expectations yet got mad when the project didn't meet them. Please don't have any crazy expectations with this stuff, you'll thank yourself for it later.

Choco posted...

everything about this collection is cringe

No, gamers are "cringe" for yet again running wild with unrealistic expectations and getting angry like always when those crazy ass hopes don't happen. It's on the community, not Nintendo. The presentation looks really slick. I just don't know where these unrealistic expectations are gonna end.

Tyranthraxus posted...

It means they're not ports.

It means n64 and gamecube emus can potentially run other games.

But what does any of that matter in the context of the games? They play the way they're supposed to, correct?

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PatrickMahomes posted...

But what does any of that matter in the context of the games? They play the way they're supposed to, correct?

Yes although they will be their own separate speedrun category if you care about that shit.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Yes although they will be their own separate speedrun category if you care about that shit.

So all this "outrage" is just from the speedrunners who literally can just keep doing what they've been doing and save $60?

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That's not surprising tbh. Nintendo doesn't have to do anything, people will buy it

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Not sure why anyone is bringing up speedrunning. You generally can't use emulators to speed run and ports would be a separate category anyway, so it isn't relevant either way.

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Yuck at these disgusting apologists. Imagine wanting a capable developer, who's demonstrated many a times their competence, to not be lazy
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Gurifisu posted...

Yuck at these disgusting apologists. Imagine wanting a capable developer, who's demonstrated many a times their competence, to not be lazy

They arent as capable as beenox or vicarious visions I guess

Nintendo scummier than activi$ion, what a time to be alive
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ssjevot posted...

Not sure why anyone is bringing up speedrunning. You generally can't use emulators to speed run and ports would be a separate category anyway, so it isn't relevant either way.

That is completely wrong depending on the timeframe. SM64 allows for emulators. Most games that are probably pre Wii U allow for emulators.

SM64 literally divides each category into "N64/VC/EMU"

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ssjevot posted...

Not sure why anyone is bringing up speedrunning. You generally can't use emulators to speed run and ports would be a separate category anyway, so it isn't relevant either way.

People are bringing up speed runners because you can't BLJ which is a speedrun tech needed for doing things like skipping the infinite staircase.

And you can use emulators they just count as a separate category. All TAS speedrunning is done on emu.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

All TAS speedrunning is done on emu.

Didnt the TASbot play some TAS on real hardware?

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not an expert in game development, but isnt emulation the only way these games could have been brought to the switch? nintendo could have rewritten the games from scratch, but theres no way they would have played the game. there would probably be new glitches or the physics would be a little different.

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pojr posted...

not an expert in game development, but isnt emulation the only way these games could have been brought to the switch? nintendo could have rewritten the games from scratch, but theres no way they would have played the game. there would probably be new glitches or the physics would be a little different.

No, you can port a game to a new system without starting all over from scratch.

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pojr posted...

not an expert in game development, but isnt emulation the only way these games could have been brought to the switch? nintendo could have rewritten the games from scratch, but theres no way they would have played the game. there would probably be new glitches or the physics would be a little different.

For the most part. Many people also complain about wanting Gamecube re-releases (or the "PS5 will be backwards compatible with everything" rumor) thinking that just because the console is more powerful than older ones, it can support that. But they can't, because the hard drive is for the specific purpose of what the console itself requires, and can't support the exact technology and specs of recent gens without issues. It pretty much has to be via emulation if they want it to be as authentic as possible, while also still playing and running well.

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Foppe posted...

Didnt the TASbot play some TAS on real hardware?

That's literally impossible as real hardware does not have tools to assist. (Well unless you're doing something like speedrunning SMB1 on Switch or using a hacked console)

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Yeah, as long as the emulation is solid I don't see a problem with this. I'm not getting this collection to speedrun these games.

If the games have unexpected slowdown, or unexpected bugs and glitches with the visuals or audio due to subpar emulation, that'll be one thing. It'll be an entirely other thing if the framerate drops to 59fps at like three points in Super Mario Sunshine, extending gameplay by 1.5 seconds and causing mass outrage across the internet.

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MC_BatCommander posted...

No, you can port a game to a new system without starting all over from scratch.

is that so? cuz all 3 games were made on different consoles.

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pojr posted...

is that so? cuz all 3 games were made on different consoles.

...Yes? Porting games is a concept that has been around for decades. There are some companies that pretty much exclusively do console / PC ports

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i trust Nintendo. no way they will fuck this up...

Nintendo ported SM64 to the DS as a launch title.

Granted they did add a bunch of stuff to the game, but they didn't have to rebuild it from scratch.
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Doe posted...

Sunshine is practically not even a good game

Maybe, but I'm going to love being able to play it again though. That game came out practically in the peak of my gaming fandom.


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I'm pretty disappointed with this title, but that was already when the trailer dropped. My memory of Super Mario Allstars is a compilation where they updated all the games with state of the art sprites and graphics. When they called this game Allstars I was expecting the same thing: increased poly count, high res textures, etc. The fact that it's literally the original games emulated bums me out and makes me not want to buy this.

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I was hoping for 3D versions of the games on the original

MrMallard posted...

Yeah, as long as the emulation is solid I don't see a problem with this. I'm not getting this collection to speedrun these games.

If the games have unexpected slowdown, or unexpected bugs and glitches with the visuals or audio due to subpar emulation, that'll be one thing. It'll be an entirely other thing if the framerate drops to 59fps at like three points in Super Mario Sunshine, extending gameplay by 1.5 seconds and causing mass outrage across the internet.

I'm in the same boat, though cautious. Majora's Mask was ruined on the 3DS, but I don't think these are the same guys.

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Duncanwii posted...

That was done illegally and without Nintendo's permission. Understandably I can see why they didnt give him the time of day.

Oh I completely 100 percent agree. But at the same time Nintendo has been known to make really really bad decisions when it comes to emulation. One emulation site either last year or the year before was fined something stupid.... like 25 million dollars by Nintendo. The couple that ran it are probably in jail right now, because there's no way in hell anyone running that kind of a website would be able to pay that amount of money.

At the same time, Sony attacked a different site, and only charged them 24 grand. I can understand protecting original IPs, but there were a lot of Nintendo games on those sites that would never see the light of day if it wasn't for these emulation sites. Like Terranigma for example. Sure there are physical versions, but it was never released officially in the states, and the company that made it is now defunct, so your just getting it off a 3rd party reseller.

Conflict posted...

That wasn't a port, that was a straight up remake

"Enhanced remaster" is more accurate really.

Tacked on a bunch of meh side content, and turned most the caps into characters basically.

The music is the same. The majority of the content is largely the same. The story is largely the same. The graphical style is largely the same just cleaner and with new character models. The gameplay is largely the same except they now put pointless extra steps to doing things you could already do before and a few minor "improvements" or touch ups.

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