Poll of the Day > Black Female Killed by Cops (Taylor) Family to Receive 12Million Bucks...

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15/us/breonna-taylor-louisville-settlement/index.html

One of the Biggest Wrongful Death by Cops Settlements...

Still no arrests for the officers that shot her

Will the cops get punished

Will no knock warrants be banned

Or is this going to happen again


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The murder cops don't care, they're not the ones paying for it.
Until they reliably go to jail and get stiff sentences for murder like anyone else would, they have no disincentive to cease shooting immediately and emptying the barrel.

You'd think after a certain point, the taxpayers would get fed up w/ paying for these lawsuits and settlements. (and thus demand police reform)

streamofthesky posted...

The murder cops don't care, they're not the ones paying for it.
Until they reliably go to jail and get stiff sentences for murder like anyone else would, they have no disincentive to cease shooting immediately and emptying the barrel.

You'd think after a certain point, the taxpayers would get fed up w/ paying for these lawsuits and settlements. (and thus demand police reform)

This. If police are held accountable, incidences like this will decrease. Then the police department won't need to spend millions of the cities tax payer dollars to cover up their mistake. That money could go to fund other vital services that would actually decrease the overall workload of the police department.

It's also been found that less crimes are committed in more educated areas. If everyone really wanted to end crime, they would fund education in those areas instead of arming police officers like spec op forces.

IronBornCorps posted...

Still no arrests for the officers that shot her

I think some of them got fired, not sure tho...

Again, no-knock raids should be outlawed. It would prevent so many civilian & police injuries and deaths.

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Cops screw up, somebody dies, taxpayers pay the bill, cops continue screwing up without learning any sort of lessons. What a great cycle that definitely doesn't need reform in any way.

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pionear posted...

I think some of them got fired, not sure tho...

they need to be charged with murder

they didnt have a no knock warrant, nobody in that has did anything to arouse probable cause, and they lied on the official report

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adjl posted...

Cops screw up, somebody dies, taxpayers pay the bill, cops continue screwing up without learning any sort of lessons. What a great cycle that definitely doesn't need reform in any way.

So.... you're suggesting that we privatize police so taxpayers don't foot the bill? =p Again, the reforms we need aren't so much at the cop level but, in so many of these cases, involve shit we shouldn't have cops doing in the first place. No-knock raids are a fucking terrible policy that frequently results in unnecessary injury or death, including to officers who wind up getting killed by innocent civilians defending their home who, in turn, wind up in prison because some politician thought it'd be a great idea to have cops break into buildings often without identifying themselves so people easily construe it as a home invasion. The practice is inherently flawed and, when you ask cops to do something stupid, the results often wind up being terrible.


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Oh cool, Zeus decided to finally make an alt account

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pionear posted...

I think some of them got fired, not sure tho...

Firing the killer cops doesn't really do much.
They just get hired by other precincts.

At worst, it inconveniences them w/ a longer drive to work or forces them to move their residence in order to continue following their passion of murdering civilians.

Zeus_LLC posted...

So.... you're suggesting that we privatize police so taxpayers don't foot the bill?

Nah, that'd just turn into what would effectively be rich people hiring mercenary armies to invade poorer neighbourhoods. The issue there is that taxpayers pay the full price of whatever mistakes the cops made, rather than cops being held properly accountable to incentivize making fewer mistakes in the future.

Zeus_LLC posted...

in so many of these cases, involve s*** we shouldn't have cops doing in the first place. No-knock raids are a f***ing terrible policy that frequently results in unnecessary injury or death

This is also very true. I don't know who thought no-knock warrants were a good idea, but I have to admire the flexibility needed to shove their head far enough up their own ass to make such a decision.

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Mead posted...
they need to be charged with murder

they didnt have a no knock warrant, nobody in that has did anything to arouse probable cause, and they lied on the official report

https://www.yahoo.com/news/louisville-police-declare-state-emergency-123855443.html

Well, a Grand Jury is coming with a decision, and they are bracing for more possible Riots...

And at least one was fired:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/us/breonna-taylor-brett-hankison-fired.html

https://www.wave3.com/2020/09/22/jon-mattingly-officer-involved-breonna-taylor-shooting-sends-candid-email-lmpd-colleagues/

"Im not here to give you a Rah Rah you got this speech. Im not here to tell you that you signed up to help this community and to keep your head up. Im here to tell you Im sorry you have to go through this. Im sorry your families have to go through this. Im sorry the Mayor, Amy Hess and Chief Conrad failed all of us in epic proportions for their own gain and to cover their asses.

You DO NOT DESERVE to be in this position. The position that allows thugs to get in your face and yell, curse and degrade you. Throw bricks, bottles and urine on you and expect you to do nothing. It goes against EVERYTHING we were all taught in the academy. The position that if you make a mistake during one of the most stressful times in your career, the department and FBI (who arent cops and would piss their pants if they had to hold the line) go after you for civil rights violations. Your civil rights mean nothing, but the criminal has total autonomy.

We all signed up to be police officers. We knew the risks and were willing to take them, but we always assumed the city had your back. We wanted To do the right thing in the midst of an evil world to protect those who cannot protect themselves. To enforce laws that make it possible to live in a peaceful society. We as police DO NOT CARE if you are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, what you identify as...this week. We arent better than anyone. This is not an us against society, but it is good versus evil. We are sons, daughters, husbands, wives, parters, brothers, sisters, dads and moms. We are human beings with flaws, feelings and emotions.

Now Im just rambling, but I want you to know that Im still proud to be a cop. To be an LMPD cop. No matter the ineptitude in upper command or the mayors office, this is one of the greatest jobs on earth. With that being said these next few days are going to be tough. They are going to be long, they are going to be frustrating. They will put a tremendous amount of stress on your families. Do not let your ego get you in a trick bag. Have your partners 6. De escalate if possible. DO NOT give the pencil pushers at the top, you know the ones who are too scared to hold the line, a reason to open investigations on you. The same ones that couldnt make decisions to save their lives. We need leaders that lead from the front and not in a room under a desk. Do what you need to do to go home you your family. Just do it with dignity and make sure you can justify your actions because everything down there is recorded.

I dont know a lot of you guys/gals but Ive felt the love. Regardless of the outcome today or Wednesday, I know we did the legal, moral and ethical thing that night. Its sad how the good guys are demonized, and criminals are canonized. Put that aside for a while, keep your focus and do your jobs that you are trained and capable of doing. Dont put up with their shit, and go home to those lovely families and relationships.

I wish I were there with you leading the charge. Ill be praying for your safety. Remember you are just a pawn in the Mayors political game. Im proof they do not care about you or your family, and you are replaceable. Stay safe and do the right thing. YOU ARE LOVED AND SUPPORTED by most of the community. Now go be the Warriors you are, but please be safe! None of these peaceful protesters are worth your career or freedom. God speed boys and girls."

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pionear posted...

And at least one was fired:

if they arent charged then it doesnt really matter

they can get a job with another department that doesnt care

an innocent woman was killed in her bed and the people that are responsible and that lied about it need to be held accountable by the legal system

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Mead posted...

Oh cool, Zeus decided to finally make an alt account

*troll alt

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What would solve this right-quick is if all of a police officer's pay above, say, $50,000 a year was a performance bonus and if the city had to pay out a lawsuit for wrongful death, police brutality, etc., etc., the money owed is drawn from the performance bonus pool before any other budgetary items are affected.

The cops have little reason to care about taxpayers footing the bill for their mistakes.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Will no knock warrants be banned

If memory serves, I believe Louisville banned them in light of what happened.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

https://www.wave3.com/2020/09/22/jon-mattingly-officer-involved-breonna-taylor-shooting-sends-candid-email-lmpd-colleagues/

Just to be clear this is a message from a person who broke into a womans house for no reason and murdered her without justification correct?

Blightzkrieg posted...

Regardless of the outcome today or Wednesday, I know we did the legal, moral and ethical thing that night. Its sad how the good guys are demonized, and criminals are canonized.

That sack of fucking shit is calling himself (murderer) a good guy, and the victim Breonna Taylor (unarmed civilian who had committed no crime at all and was murdered in her home) a criminal.
Wow.

Now go be the Warriors you are, but please be safe!

You're not warriors! For fucking sakes, stop thinking of yourselves as god damned soldiers! You're not trained like soldiers on rules of engagement and don't even adhere to the standards of the Geneva Conventions. And the people you encounter aren't "the enemy"!
Fucking hell, his whole deranged, delusional screed is a perfect encapsulation of everything wrong with the police. He actually believes all of that shit!

Blightzkrieg posted...

https://www.wave3.com/2020/09/22/jon-mattingly-officer-involved-breonna-taylor-shooting-sends-candid-email-lmpd-colleagues/

Zeus got a boner reading this.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Just to be clear this is a message from a person who broke into a womans house for no reason and murdered her without justification correct?

One day I hope he will become an hero

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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Zeus got a boner reading this.

I think Zeus has actually criticized the cops for this? Not completely without both sidesing it a bit, but it's a start.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

I think Zeus has actually criticized the cops for this? Not completely without both sidesing it a bit, but it's a start.

Its hard to know since hes blocked most the board so he cant be reported for racist remarks.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

We all signed up to be police officers. We knew the risks and were willing to take them, but we always assumed the city had your back.

this is the kind of stuff that makes people who say "blue lives matter" sound fucking moronic. yes, you signed up to be police officers, and hopefully you are fully aware of the risks that come with the job. but if you make a big mistake (idk like killing someone) you should not always expect to be taken care of as if nothing happened.

like could you imagine if this kind of coddled behavior were in other professional fields where people hold power? If you had a surgeon fuck up an operation due to sheer negligence, you can be pretty damn sure that his license is going to be revoked. There's a sense of accountability that makes people think about the actions they're committing.

With cops though? This guy's mentality is basically "we didn't do anything wrong, but even if we did, we should be protected by the city". dude's really making the rest of his department look like shit.

sodium-chloride posted...

this is the kind of stuff that makes people who say "blue lives matter" sound fucking moronic. yes, you signed up to be police officers, and hopefully you are fully aware of the risks that come with the job. but if you make a big mistake (idk like killing someone) you should not always expect to be taken care of as if nothing happened.

like could you imagine if this kind of coddled behavior were in other professional fields where people hold power? If you had a surgeon fuck up an operation due to sheer negligence, you can be pretty damn sure that his license is going to be revoked. There's a sense of accountability that makes people think about the actions they're committing.

With cops though? This guy's mentality is basically "we didn't do anything wrong, but even if we did, we should be protected by the city". dude's really making the rest of his department look like shit.

He closes it by saying "Go be warriors" you know people who's duty is to fight and kill. Which while important is not really a key part of "protect and serve"

BlackScythe0 posted...

He closes it by saying "Go be warriors" you know people who's duty is to fight and kill.

Jesus, dude needs to learn to read the room.

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Mead posted...

they didnt have a no knock warrant, nobody in that has did anything to arouse probable cause, and they lied on the official report

They did have a no knock warrant though they allege they announced themselves anyway which is likely bullshit.

Regardless, no knock warrants in general shouldn't exist. They already exist in some fashion under the exigent circumstances procedure which would empower them to enter without knocking if they have a good reason for doing so. Most no knocks seem to be 'well we know drug dealers like to flush their drugs so we had to no knock' which is fucking dumb.

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sodium-chloride posted...

like could you imagine if this kind of coddled behavior were in other professional fields where people hold power? If you had a surgeon fuck up an operation due to sheer negligence, you can be pretty damn sure that his license is going to be revoked. There's a sense of accountability that makes people think about the actions they're committing.

Doctors fuckup all the time. Something like 250 people a day die to malpractice and very seldom do they lose their license over it. That's kinda the whole point of paying malpractice insurance. I think it's something like .1-.3 percent of doctors lose their license. Malpractice is alleged to be one of the leading causes of death in the country but the problem is it's a pretty high bar to prove they went out of their way to do something wrong - not unlike police.

However, police can and should have a public record of their infractions that, at the very least, is available to any other potential hiring agencies. And I would like to see those agencies held responsible in some way if they hire a cop who has a record of poor decision making or misconduct.

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adjl posted...

The issue there is that taxpayers pay the full price of whatever mistakes the cops made, rather than cops being held properly accountable to incentivize making fewer mistakes in the future.

Cops already have substantial incentives to not fuck up since they'd lose their job and possibly even their pension. Beyond that, I'm not sure how you make them "pay the full price" -- monetarily speaking -- and still have them be able to effectively do their jobs.

Mead posted...
they need to be charged with murder

they didnt have a no knock warrant, nobody in that has did anything to arouse probable cause, and they lied on the official report

Oh look, Mead is at it again with his misinformation!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-police-had-no-knock-warrant-breonna-taylor-apartment/3235029001/

The cops DID have a warrant and it was for her address. Any claims to the contrary are false.

undefined posted...

Oh cool, Zeus decided to finally make an alt account

...which you immediately blocked to hide the fact that you're knowingly posting false information again to maliciously misinform and mislead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqEPrPa07XU

darkknight109 posted...

What would solve this right-quick is if all of a police officer's pay above, say, $50,000 a year was a performance bonus and if the city had to pay out a lawsuit for wrongful death, police brutality, etc., etc., the money owed is drawn from the performance bonus pool before any other budgetary items are affected.

They don't make enough to cover the massive settlements.


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Zeus_LLC posted...

Again, no-knock raids should be outlawed. It would prevent so many civilian & police injuries and deaths.

so they knock, then evidence gets destroyed, or the suspects have time to grab guns
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Smarkil posted...

They did have a no knock warrant though

Ill believe it when they present the warrant in court

theres no reason to take their word for anything

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

so they knock, then evidence gets destroyed, or the suspects have time to grab guns

Absolutely.

Either we have rights or we don't. Drugs just aren't worth giving them up for with how easily cops get these permits with no evidence and how brazen they are with their actions including going to the wrong fucking house sometimes.

Mead posted...

Oh cool, Zeus decided to finally make an alt account

he knows he's getting ignored, so he did what all trolls do, make an alt, ok?

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

so they knock, then evidence gets destroyed, or the suspects have time to grab guns

So what if they destroy evidence? If there's enough evidence that they can flush it within the 30 seconds it takes to get through the front door, then there's not enough evidence to justify the risk. And if there's a danger to the cops, they can get the perp under safer circumstances or they can get gud. Hell, I'd be fine with them just chilling until the perp leaves the house and just busting their way in when they're gone.

Not to mention no knocks arguably cause more danger to the officers as is apparently the case with Breonna Taylor considering a couple of em got filled with lead.

Mead posted...

Ill believe it when they present the warrant in court

theres no reason to take their word for anything

I mean, you can see the scanned warrant online. https://tinyurl.com/y4zhpqsz

In my opinion, the evidence for serving a warrant on Taylor's house is dumb as hell. I don't know what judge approved it, but someone definitely needs to look at canning them.


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Zeus_LLC posted...

Cops already have substantial incentives to not fuck up

I dont know why you bothered making an account if you arent gonna even try

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Zeus_LLC posted...

Cops already have substantial incentives to not f*** up since they'd lose their job and possibly even their pension.

Ah yes, loss of job and possibly pension. That's a suitable punishment for murder. Possible punishment, at least, given that that's hardly guaranteed.

Zeus_LLC posted...

Beyond that, I'm not sure how you make them "pay the full price" -- monetarily speaking -- and still have them be able to effectively do their jobs.

I didn't say they need to pay the full price. Just that taxpayers shouldn't be paying all of it. "1-X=Y" does not in any way imply that X=Y. I also did not speak purely monetarily. Accountability goes further than throwing money at mistakes, it includes facing criminal charges for the commission of crimes and the removal of cops that shouldn't be cops from positions of power.

Quite simply, every single time a cop fires their gun (or exercises any other form of violence), they should ask themselves if it's truly justifiable to do so, and proceed only if they're sure. For that matter, so should everyone else. That is the basic responsibility of anyone that is taking the life of another person into their hands like that, and anyone who doesn't accept that responsibility should not be allowed to have that power.

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Zeus_LLC posted...

They don't make enough to cover the massive settlements.

Read literally the last seven words of text that you quoted from me.

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Ok so they did have a warrant after all my mistake. Still for the sake of the victims family someone needs to be held criminally responsible for her murder. If a jury finds them not guilty that is one thing, but to not even charge anyone is unacceptable.

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One officer charged with reckless endangerment, other two got off.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

One officer charged with reckless endangerment, other two got off.

What a shock. They totally didn't telegraph this joke of a result by pre-emptively setting up for the ensuing protests, ok?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-louisville-officer-is-indicted-in-breonna-taylor-case/ar-BB19lVi6

Heh, far from Murder/Manslaughter....not even 'Negligent Homicide'....

I'm guessing he will get 1-3 Years, if they find him guilty on that.

How do I donate money to the rioters

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pionear posted...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-louisville-officer-is-indicted-in-breonna-taylor-case/ar-BB19lVi6

Heh, far from Murder/Manslaughter....not even 'Negligent Homicide'....

I'm guessing he will get 1-3 Years, if they find him guilty on that.

Even if he is guilty it'll probably be probation because "He's had such a hard time since then, he's basically already been punished!"

Because you know rapists get off because "We wouldn't want to ruin their life"

Zeus_LLC posted...

Cops already have substantial incentives to not fuck up

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

so they knock, then evidence gets destroyed, or the suspects have time to grab guns

Woopty fucking doo. Them's the fucking issues they should be forced to deal with.

says a lot that they would rather let the city burn than deliver a just verdict on a couple killer cops

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TheSlinja posted...

says a lot that they would rather let the city burn than deliver a just verdict on a couple killer cops

Never let em think they can win. Theyd rather burn down a town than admit wrongdoing to us. Its disgraceful.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

And there gos another city.

yeah I hear Portland is destroyed entirely theres just a crater there now

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