Board 8 > Super Mario 3D All-Stars review zone

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Only really cool people can understand ending a jump combo with a dive

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Hey I do it too

But the dive really only exists to catch the rabbit

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It exists in all the 3D Mario's except for Galaxy... And it gives you momentum which is a big deal imo.

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Having no long jump in sunshine is pretty annoying too

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Im a little over halfway done with Sunshine now I think. Have over 60 shines and like 130 blue coins or something

when i realized i couldn't long jump in sunshine i had to lower its score by 2 points

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Yeah, no long jump in Sunshine is a bigger deal than no dive.

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If the dive was in Galaxy it would have even less uses too with the platforming-heavy gameplay.

I'm always long jumping over diving when I want momentum so yeah, way bigger deal. Sunshine has super speedy diving after spraying water so that alleviates it in that game.

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Why would you NEED a long jump in Sunshine

You have a hover nozzle
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Jakyl25 posted...

Why would you NEED a long jump in Sunshine

You have a hover nozzle

Hover nozzle is slooooooooow.
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Oh okay, the sections without FLUDD. That makes sense.

Why does Shadow Mario give FLUDD back anyway?
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He's an asshole, but not a total dick.

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KommunistKoala posted...

when i realized i couldn't long jump in sunshine i had to lower its score by 2 points

So happy I'm not at all the only one, this drove me INSANE now that I'm replaying and tried to do the usual combo. Thought it would be another one, but no, it's just not there

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Dragonair posted...

Having no long jump in sunshine is pretty annoying too

This is bad too. That's why I love the movement in Odyssey so much though, it has everything back again, with a semi spin thing too.

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Even Odyssey doesn't have a dive move from the ground though IIRC. It only has the air dive, which is way better, but mechanically is used in completely different contexts.

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Yeah but Odyssey has rolling which is very easy to build momentum

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What if Galaxy 3 is the next 3D Mario game and they will give out SMG2 as a pre order bonus

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Really all I need is the U-Turn jump because it's the one I use 90% of the time

Although I've started using the Spin jump more and more in sunshine

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So I completed 120 stars in 64 and started playing Sunshine, first time I've ever played it. 31 Shines so far so I've played a good chunk to make some observations

• one of the first things I said was "wow I miss the long jump" and I still miss it
• FLUDD is fun enough, spraying and sliding around places is cool
• I suck at the spin jump
• when you get the fishbowl helmet and have to swim underwater, I honestly hate it and actually think controls worse than Mario 64's swimming controls. Why the hell can you only really control going up and down and pretty much just hoping to fall/fludd up into where you need to go instead of being able to control actually being able to, you know, swim around. Unless I missed something with it.
• Pachinko star is indeed wonky as hell although I could have had worse luck with it

Overall, yea definitely would never put it above 64. It has a fully controllable camera but that's about all it has on 64, and the camera in 64 still doesn't really bother me all that much outside a few spots. Sunshine's fun though, and very weird at points which is cool.


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You know this may sound really stupid...

But I think I only now just realized...

In Mario 64 the "stage into" jingle is the 1-1 theme from Super Mario Bros.

I feel like I probably recognized that as a kid, but over time completely forgot and started to only associate it with Mario 64 for the rest of my life until now

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Two down, one to go

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My last shine is this stupid lily pad one. Fuck whoever made this insanely stupid stage and any stage where youre supposed to control something with FLUDD. It doesnt matter if its a boat or a lily pad its fucking garbage and I hate it

Finally got it. Super Mario Sunshine beated. There are some good stages and some really really bad stages that hurt the game, but overall its still pretty decent.

Imagine having to spend all that time getting Yoshi hopping from boat to boat to get to that one island to unclog it, only for it to be a red coin water = death shine that if you game over on you have to unclog it again

Sunshine got me done for the night lmao, this game has some really dumb shit in it

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ninkendo posted...

My method of dealing with that one

https://twitter.com/shineget64/status/1307649086795915264?s=19

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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

Imagine having to spend all that time getting Yoshi hopping from boat to boat to get to that one island to unclog it, only for it to be a red coin water = death shine that if you game over on you have to unclog it again

Sunshine got me done for the night lmao, this game has some really dumb shit in it

I had 20 lives and I game overd on that stage. It doesnt help MUCH, but if you ride the lily pad to the end of the stage you can walk along the side all the way back to the beginning and a new lily pad will spawn. Its still tedious and annoying to maneuver, but it beats killing yourself to start over

it's more the whole "having to redo the unclogging with Yoshi" that irks me. Like sure I didn't realize that I got to that island with Yoshi having only 1 life remaining so partly on me but it should absolutely saved that you unclogged it so you just need to swim back to it and jump down the pipe

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I'm up to 61 shines (66 if I cashed in my blue coins I have) and yea I really don't know how someone could put this above 64. Like it's still a Mario game so it's still enjoyable but geez there's some really not great stuff in it.

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Galaxy is smart enough to give you checkpoints and an insane amount of lives (on top of, you know, way better level design). I actually forgot Galaxy had checkpoints so that was pretty refreshing when I was playing around eith the gravity mechanics and suffered from incredibly stupid deaths. Though no checkpoints on Daredevil stars makes those even more brutal. A perfect equation imo.

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I think Sunshine is better than 64 until you try and go for 100%

luckily I didn't do that

of course both Galaxies completely blow them both away

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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

I'm up to 61 shines (66 if I cashed in my blue coins I have) and yea I really don't know how someone could put this above 64. Like it's still a Mario game so it's still enjoyable but geez there's some really not great stuff in it.

Sunshine's controls are a lot more fluid, the camera is better, and there's never a point where I think "That death was bullshit." In Sunshine like in Mario 64.

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I don't feel like Mario 64 has that many cheap deaths.

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52/241 in Galaxy so far

forgot about the whole prankster comet mechanic and not being able to get all the stars in a world right away

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Leonhart4 posted...

I don't feel like Mario 64 has that many cheap deaths.

"Burn" deserves a nerf

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Ashethan posted...

Sunshine's controls are a lot more fluid

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Nanis23 posted...

"Burn" deserves a nerf

I dunno. I learned how to mostly avoid compounding burns into worse situations.

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Ashethan posted...

Sunshine's controls are a lot more fluid, the camera is better, and there's never a point where I think "That death was bullshit." In Sunshine like in Mario 64.

Funny enough I actually think Sunshine controls TOO loose. And things like missing the long jump really hurt it in my eyes

Camera I've said earlier is the one thing Sunshine has objectively better than 64, but I also still never had so much of a problem with 64's. When you know how to use it 64's camera is actually surprisingly manageable.

And actually I think Sunshine has more bullshit death situations! Maybe not "cheap" per se, but when you're doing the red coin switch for Hotel Delfino for instance, if you run out of time the game treats it as a life and bumps you out. First tine doing it I knew I wasn't gonna get the last red coin because I forgot how to get to the room where it was, so I thought "alright lemme just make my way back to the switch and I'll pop it again when the time ends" and then Mario just keeled over. Why not let the player just hit the switch again, why is it treated as a death situation? Same with the Balloon roller coaster ride, if you don't get them within the 3 loops the game just kills you arbitrarily and kicks you out. And to a lesser extent, touching the water oncr in that red coin lily pad one. In 64 whenever I died it was because of my own fault, sometimes some wonky camera work contributed to that but ultimately I fucked up a jump or movement so that was on me. Sunshine has way more bullshit setups for things to fail you I feel.

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I don't mind the lack of long jump, since you can just spray water in front of you and go flying across the level. Way more fun.

In 64, whenever I die it often feels like its either the controls or the camera at fault. In Sunshine, yeah those lose conditions should be made clearer, but I still feel like it's my fault and not the games when I lose like often happens in Mario 64. I can never get used to that camera. It's like Lakitu is definitely Bowser's strongest weapon in the game, and he is using him quite effectively to kill Mario permanently.

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spray slide is fun but long jump is just way more on the fly useful I think

And I guess some people will just never see eye to eye on the camera, I feel bad for those that have that much trouble with it

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The camera is 64 is objectively bad and people that try defending it are annoying.

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Waluigi1 posted...

The camera is 64 is objectively bad and people that try defending it are annoying.

Who is defending it

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Just a general statement not pointed at anyone here in particular.

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I don't know about cheap but 64 definitely has some times where a minor mistake cascades into a death.

If you accidentally walk up an incline even slightly you might end up slip sliding to your doom in a level with bottomless pits. Mostly thinking about the "tiny" island in tiny-huge island or other late game areas.

Getting hit by fire can have a similar effect.

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I didn't get this collection, and I feel I made the right decision seeing all the Sunshine bull doing the rounds again. Chucksters, manta rays, casino, the Yoshi + lilypad combo shine, Corona, sand bird, watermelon, pachinko, my goodness. I love the setting and a bunch of the ideas but Sunshine is a game that needed more doing than a quick port.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35fDKcGYOdM
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Leonhart4 posted...

Who is defending it

It's the first 3D action platformer. I think It gets a pass.

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https://twitter.com/TarvouldsQuest/status/1310018095382224897

Just Galaxy left to go now...After New Super Mario Bros.

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wg64Z posted...

It's the first 3D action platformer. I think It gets a pass.

I mean sure but nobody is actively defending it as any kind of good.

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wg64Z posted...

It's the first 3D action platformer. I think It gets a pass.

Technically I think its the fourth? After Geograph Seal and Jumping Flash! 1 and 2
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Its the first to try it in 3rd person though
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What was the first game that had a full 3D camera mapped to the right analog stick? I remember games like Kingdom Hearts on PS2 still had L2 and R2 camera rotation (although that was because the right stick moved the command menu)

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