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pinky0926
09/28/20 6:52:52 AM
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Thousands of leaked emails from climate scientists that suggested they were falsifying data, attempting to hide data and in general part of a conspiracy to make up the man-made part of global warming.

Except that's not what it was. It was basically 4 scientists in particular talking to each other, discussing discrepancies on very specific instances and the entire thing being taken wildly out of context in industry/political talking points. For example, scientist A says "we're not seeing a warming effect" but he's just talking about a 4 day period in California. The entire thing was thoroughly investigated by a dozen independent bodies who found nothing except perhaps the need for scientists to up their professionalism in their email tone.

To this day people still believe that conspiracy and it's damaged the entire climate science discussion. Wild...

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scar the 1
09/28/20 6:56:32 AM
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I remember. It's absolutely wild the amount of money that is being spent on discrediting climate science. Completely.

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apolloooo
09/28/20 6:58:24 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
Thousands of leaked emails from climate scientists that suggested they were falsifying data, attempting to hide data and in general part of a conspiracy to make up the man-made part of global warming.

Except that's not what it was. It was basically 4 scientists in particular talking to each other, discussing discrepancies on very specific instances and the entire thing being taken wildly out of context in industry/political talking points. For example, scientist A says "we're not seeing a warming effect" but he's just talking about a 4 day period in California. The entire thing was thoroughly investigated by a dozen independent bodies who found nothing except perhaps the need for scientists to up their professionalism in their email tone.

To this day people still believe that conspiracy and it's damaged the entire climate science discussion. Wild...
The entire premise of anti intellectualism is taking things out of context and spreading it as literal fake news.

I remember this article being used against gay rights campaign:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/no-scientists-have-not-found-the-gay-gene/410059/

The article simply said scientist can't pinpoint specific gene that is linked to homosexuality, but more of a complex combination of various DNA spread troughout the gene map, yet the idiots use at as the support of "homosexuality is a choice" bullshit.

It is so effective in spreading false information sadly


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scar the 1
09/28/20 7:01:09 AM
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apolloooo posted...
The entire premise of anti intellectualism is taking things out of context and spreading it as literal fake news.

I remember this article being used against gay rights campaign:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/no-scientists-have-not-found-the-gay-gene/410059/

The article simply said scientist can't pinpoint specific gene that is linked to homosexuality, but more of a complex combination of various DNA spread troughout the gene map, yet the idiots use at as the support of "homosexuality is a choice" bullshit.

It is so effective in spreading false information sadly
That's a good example because what conservatives succeeded with was framing the entire discussion around an assumption that being gay was bad. Like, even if it were a choice, it wouldn't change anything. But by taking that discussion, progressives opt in on the assumption that anyone who could choose should choose to be straight.

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UnfairRepresent
09/28/20 7:03:25 AM
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scar the 1 posted...

That's a good example because what conservatives succeeded with was framing the entire discussion around an assumption that being gay was bad. Like, even if it were a choice, it wouldn't change anything. But by taking that discussion, progressives opt in on the assumption that anyone who could choose should choose to be straight.

THANK YOU

I hate the entire debate on principal

Even if homosexuality was a choice (it isn't) that doesn't change anything. the whole thing is engineered to imply sucking cock is bad

and no one who has had or wants oral sex gets to say that
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scar the 1
09/28/20 7:07:39 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Even if homosexuality was a choice (it isn't)
This is an interesting topic in its own right, because I think norms play a big part in how much of a choice it is or isn't. There are some pretty interesting examples that nuance this discussion but it's not relevant to the topic.

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DeadBankerDream
09/28/20 7:09:46 AM
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Funkydog
09/28/20 7:11:31 AM
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Honestly the first time I'm hearing of this >.>

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apolloooo
09/28/20 7:23:04 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
THANK YOU

I hate the entire debate on principal

Even if homosexuality was a choice (it isn't) that doesn't change anything. the whole thing is engineered to imply sucking cock is bad

and no one who has had or wants oral sex gets to say that
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Southernfatman
09/28/20 7:23:06 AM
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I remember and it's another reminder that the right are stupid, God awful people.

These dumb fucks are going to screw our entire species over because of their stupidity.

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pinky0926
09/28/20 7:23:19 AM
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UnfairRepresent
09/28/20 7:48:21 AM
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scar the 1 posted...

This is an interesting topic in its own right, because I think norms play a big part in how much of a choice it is or isn't. There are some pretty interesting examples that nuance this discussion but it's not relevant to the topic.

It's really not a nuanced discussion

Simple proof is that you can't change it

you dont control what you are attracted too
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scar the 1
09/28/20 8:33:57 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
It's really not a nuanced discussion

Simple proof is that you can't change it

you dont control what you are attracted too
Feel free to make a topic about it and tag me and I'll elaborate. Or if you're curious you can ask me in PMs, I'm not going to derail this topic

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MildlyIrkedOwl
09/28/20 8:36:40 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Feel free to make a topic about it and tag me and I'll elaborate. Or if you're curious you can ask me in PMs, I'm not going to derail this topic

Don't make the mistake of getting into a conversation with UR

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scar the 1
09/28/20 8:39:07 AM
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MildlyIrkedOwl posted...
Don't make the mistake of getting into a conversation with UR
I'll gladly do it in the correct topic to explain what I mean. I won't try to convince him

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COVxy
09/28/20 8:42:03 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
the need for scientists to up their professionalism in their email tone

Ha. I'll tell you, the types of emails I've received and sent at times...

I think people just need to realize that scientists are normal people, and unless writing up an official document, like a journal article, scientists are going to be very colloquial in conversations with each other.

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Alucard188
09/28/20 8:42:28 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
I remember. It's absolutely wild the amount of money that is being spent on discrediting climate science. Completely.

Because there's a lot of money to be made in the man-made component. Corporations and lobbyists have way too much political sway.

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pinky0926
09/28/20 8:43:17 AM
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COVxy posted...
Ha. I'll tell you, the types of emails I've received and sent at times...

I think people just need to realize that scientists are normal people, and unless writing up an official document, like a journal article, scientists are going to be very colloquial in conversations with each other.

Oh agreed, and frankly these people will look for literally anything to try and add weight to their conspiracy, even if the best thing they've got is "Michael Mann seems like a bit of a douche".

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09/28/20 8:45:10 AM
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spikethedevil
09/28/20 8:47:59 AM
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MildlyIrkedOwl posted...
Don't make the mistake of getting into a conversation with UR

For once hes dead on. Sexuality isnt a choice.

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MildlyIrkedOwl
09/28/20 8:49:53 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
For once hes dead on. Sexuality isnt a choice.

UR could say "2+2 = 4" and you'd say you agree and his reply would then be "Not according to Descartes..."

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Guide
09/28/20 8:54:11 AM
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this owl is evolving

into a bitch

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UnfairRepresent
09/28/20 9:33:57 AM
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spikethedevil posted...


For once hes dead on. Sexuality isnt a choice.

I'm always dead on.

And its not a choice, hence why the other guy doesn't have the guts to stand by his ludicrous insinuation
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monkmith
09/28/20 9:41:35 AM
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i think i remember this being a 'controversy' for a hot minute before just disappearing. cons get better results from bringing snowballs into congress.

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scar the 1
09/28/20 10:17:35 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I'm always dead on.

And its not a choice, hence why the other guy doesn't have the guts to stand by his ludicrous insinuation
I invited you to a discussion in your venue of choice buddy, I just don't want to derail a topic about climate change denialism.

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UnfairRepresent
09/28/20 10:35:24 AM
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scar the 1 posted...

I invited you to a discussion in your venue of choice buddy, I just don't want to derail a topic about climate change denialism.

Madison Square Garden

3:45 AM, Christmas day

or right here right now

And he was never seen again
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monkmith
09/28/20 10:38:49 AM
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Why are you like this

Just start a fucking topic and tag him
UR is like a tick, he'll dig in and keep digging and persist for weeks.

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SaltyDogGum
09/28/20 10:39:21 AM
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Regardless our species had an okay run

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teepan95
09/28/20 10:44:29 AM
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When was this? It was must have completely passed me by
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scar the 1
09/28/20 11:05:59 AM
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When was this? It was must have completely passed me by
I wanna say it was before Trump? I'm too lazy to Google but I would guess like 2015 ish. Could be completely off. It was a really stupid gate

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scar the 1
09/28/20 11:07:21 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Madison Square Garden

3:45 AM, Christmas day

or right here right now

And he was never seen again

UnfairRepresent posted...
Madison Square Garden

3:45 AM, Christmas day

or right here right now

And he was never seen again
Did you make the topic?

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UnfairRepresent
09/28/20 12:22:48 PM
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No but you said name the place

Here is the place, the place you made a comical assertion about people choosing to be gay then Donald Trumped about it
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teepan95
09/28/20 12:33:39 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
teepan95 posted...
When was this? It was must have completely passed me by
I wanna say it was before Trump? I'm too lazy to Google but I would guess like 2015 ish. Could be completely off. It was a really stupid gate

This?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
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scar the 1
09/28/20 12:34:17 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
No but you said name the place

Here is the place, the place you made a comical assertion about people choosing to be gay then Donald Trumped about it
When I said "your venue of choice" I meant outside of derailing this topic. This is the last time I'm reiterating this: I'm happy to have that conversation with you. Make the topic and tag me. I'm not interested in derailing this topic with an incredibly off-topic discussion. PM me or make a topic.

Cheers mate

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scar the 1
09/28/20 12:35:22 PM
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teepan95 posted...
This?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
I think so yeah. Damn! Was it that long ago? That's insane

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Sackgurl
09/28/20 12:39:59 PM
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always remember that the people posting lies about climate change make their "work" free to access because billionaires who want to kill your grandchildren to increase their equity values are paying them to produce it

call them what they are: sponsored content

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pinky0926
09/30/20 4:54:44 AM
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teepan95 posted...
This?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

This was it

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