Current Events > The EU launches legal action against the UK.

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For the UKs breach of the legally binding agreement on Brexit.

Dear Britons, that Johnson guy and his Conservatives are really screwing you over. You are at risk of becoming a pariah state if this keeps up. The move has also angered some of your US allies including Joe Biden, so if he wins the US election then you might find yourself without trade deals with both the EU and the US.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/01/uk/eu-legal-action-brexit-intl-gbr/index.html

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Good. Get fucked Tories.

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I've read that about half of Britain's food is imported. If all those trade deals it has now end (and they will end soon) and new ones won't be made for years (and they do take years to make), then Britan's looking at a prolonged and severe scarcity of food.
But who needs food when you have sovereignty!

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CloneTheHero posted...

another one of these youre either with us or against us topics? are you liberals ever capable of being impartial or objective? is your side always right? is that it lol

I dunno exactly what youre blabbering about calling me a liberal but if you sign an International treaty and suddenly decide to break it then that has consequences. Personal responsibility is a thing. You have rights AND obligations.

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CloneTheHero posted...

Thompson posted...

I've read that about half of Britain's food is imported. If all those trade deals it has now end (and they will end soon) and new ones won't be made for years (and they do take years to make), then Britan's looking at a prolonged and severe scarcity of food.
But who needs food when you have sovereignty!

right... because they dont do major trade with the us lol

It'll take ages for the new trade deals with the US to go through, though
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CloneTheHero posted...

right... because they dont do major trade with the us lol

North America as a whole exports 4% of the UKs food. The EU exports 26%.

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Delving deeper into this, the UK law that EU is peeved about also endangers the Good Friday Agreement. The GFA ended the decades of violence in Northern Ireland, and the US would not take it kindly if the GFA was to be violated. Hence, if the UK doesn't back down, then the US won't trade with the UK.

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The UK is fucked. They're about to start getting 50,000 COVID cases a day

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Lol

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CloneTheHero posted...

so long as it doesnt set off a domino effect.

I very much doubt that other countries are looking at us and thinking that they'd like to copy. It's been a clusterfuck from start to finish.

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Fuck the EU
Fuck the US

CANZUK 4 LIFE

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CloneTheHero posted...

another one of these youre either with us or against us topics? are you liberals ever capable of being impartial or objective? is your side always right? is that it lol

LIBERAALLLLSSSS!!!

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Was it ever really a secret that the UK was going to punt brexit indefinitely, until everyone just sorta forgot about it?

CloneTheHero posted...

another one of these youre either with us or against us topics? are you liberals ever capable of being impartial or objective? is your side always right? is that it lol

Wut

This is entirely on the right wing

Liberal Democrats and Labour Hate Brexit,
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So is England going to get sued, is BJ looking at jail time, will they be forced to stay in the EU? What are the stakes here?

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CloneTheHero posted...

a fractured eu is bad for that continent, that just strengthens the russians and they've always had aspirations of conquering europe but the uk will be fine, they have their us allies to fall back on and the eu will stay strong so long as they stay together. so one of the members leaves? ok, it isnt the end of the world so long as it doesnt set off a domino effect.

the key is to never dissolve nato, it has kept the peace and brought them the most prosperous era in european history, some eu states want to dissolve it which i think would be suicide, they would become easy pickings for russia

This is something we agree on. The EU needs to stand strong and united on diplomacy, defense, trade, the environment and immigration. Russia and China are both dangerous nations we need to keep at bay.

My country has never been a NATO-Member but we collaborate with NATO against Russia.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Was it ever really a secret that the UK was going to punt brexit indefinitely, until everyone just sorta forgot about it?

008Zulu posted...

So is England going to get sued, is BJ looking at jail time, will they be forced to stay in the EU? What are the stakes here?

The UK officially left the EU in January. What were in now is a transitional period that is almost over and the UK has yet to make new deals with the EU.

The stakes of treaty violation are stuff like sanctions. So the EU suing the UK is the most suitable description.

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I cringed when other Americans told me brexit would be a good thing. Guess who was wrong...

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If I could speak another language I'd be sorely tempted to move and apply for citizenship elsewhere at this point. UK feels like a lost cause.

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Hexenherz posted...

I cringed when other Americans told me brexit would be a good thing. Guess who was wrong...

The biiiiiig issue is how the British have handled it.

* Votes to leave the EU.

* But cannot agree with themselves on how they wanna leave until several years have gone by.

* Once they know how they want the divorce from the EU to be and sign an agreement with the EU on the divorce, they violate it.

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Funkydog posted...

If I could speak another language I'd be sorely tempted to move and apply for citizenship elsewhere at this point. UK feels like a lost cause.

Learn Swedish and come here

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Funkydog posted...

If I could speak another language I'd be sorely tempted to move and apply for citizenship elsewhere at this point. UK feels like a lost cause.

Well, there's that oft-forgotten place just to the west called Ireland...

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Thompson posted...

Well, there's that oft-forgotten place just to the west called Ireland...

There's that too, yeah.

BalanceLost posted...

Learn Swedish and come here

I have always wanted to come visit Sweden.

BalanceLost posted...

The biiiiiig issue is how the British have handled it.

* Votes to leave the EU.

* But cannot agree with themselves on how they wanna leave until several years have gone by.

* Once they know how they want the divorce from the EU to be and sign an agreement with the EU on the divorce, they violate it.

But we're GLORIOUS Britain and we'll make those Europhiles see how much they need US. By George, we will rise like never before like a phoenix. Don't ask us how, just accept. Britain great. Good deals. Rise. Glory!

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Funkydog posted...

If I could speak another language I'd be sorely tempted to move and apply for citizenship elsewhere at this point. UK feels like a lost cause.

You can survive in most countries even if you just know english
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teepan95 posted...

It'll take ages for the new trade deals with the US to go through, though

this doesnt make any sense

why didnt they start making those deals long before brexit ??

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Funkydog posted...

If I could speak another language I'd be sorely tempted to move and apply for citizenship elsewhere at this point. UK feels like a lost cause.

Germany would welcome you with open arms and a Ma of beer

marc55 posted...

teepan95 posted...

It'll take ages for the new trade deals with the US to go through, though

this doesnt make any sense

why didnt they start making those deals long before brexit ??

Congratulations, you're smarter than most of the British government/transition team
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BalanceLost posted...

Once they know how they want the divorce from the EU to be

To be honest, we still haven't reached that stage.

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IloveJesus posted...

To be honest, we still haven't reached that stage.

Your politicians came far enough to work out a formal deal at least >.>

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Funkydog posted...

If I could speak another language I'd be sorely tempted to move and apply for citizenship elsewhere at this point. UK feels like a lost cause.

Funkydog posted...

There's that too, yeah.

I have always wanted to come visit Sweden.

But we're GLORIOUS Britain and we'll make those Europhiles see how much they need US. By George, we will rise like never before like a phoenix. Don't ask us how, just accept. Britain great. Good deals. Rise. Glory!

oh so when you say it it's fine

When I say it I'm the evil lying foreigner who is just jealous and you have to defend the UK at all costs
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This whole debacle has been a masterclass in shortsightedness and stupidity.

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the uk is a joke

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Wut

This is entirely on the right wing

Liberal Democrats and Labour Hate Brexit,

Liberal Democrats yes. Labour no. There are some in Labour who support it (but not the Tory version), some who are against it and some who just want it over with.

Brexit isn't a left/right thing. The Brexit Party for instance was made up of people from across the spectrum. Claire Fox, leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party worked with former UKIP leader Nigel Farage for example.

Trelve posted...

Liberal Democrats yes. Labour no. There are some in Labour who support it (but not the Tory version), some who are against it and some who just want it over with.

Brexit isn't a left/right thing. The Brexit Party for instance was made up of people from across the spectrum. Claire Fox, leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party worked with former UKIP leader Nigel Farage for example.

Sigless user logic

UKIP was far right
The conservative party introduced the referendum because Davis Cameron was facing rebellion for being against it

Labour, Lib dems , SNP all opposed it

The left doesn't and never wanted it

pointing at outliers is dishonest as fuck

Brexit is entirely a right wing enterprise
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Geisterdrache posted...

Good. Get fucked Tories.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Sigless user logic

UKIP was far right
The conservative party introduced the referendum because Davis Cameron was facing rebellion for being against it

Labour, Lib dems , SNP all opposed it

The left doesn't and never wanted it

pointing at outliers is dishonest as fuck

Brexit is entirely a right wing enterprise

The conservatives put the EU referendum in their 2015 manifesto as a way to stop votes going to UKIP. They expected another coalition government with the Lib Dems, who would block it. They unexpectedly won a majority in 2015 and put the referendum to a vote in the house of commons. All MPs from all parties (except the SNP and Sinn Fein) voted in favour of putting it to the people.

Labour had 5 MPs who championed leaving the EU who founded Labour Leave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Leave), let's not forget before he became leader of the Labour party, Jeremy Corbyn was a life-long eurosceptic who had called for the UK not to join the EU in the past. You don't have to be right-wing to be a eurosceptic. The 17 million people who voted to Leave the EU are not all right-wing. The north of England, a Labour stronghold (until 2019) almost entirely voted to leave. In the 70s and 80s, the positions of the two major parties were reversed. Labour was anti-EU and the Conservatives were pro-EU. The Conservatives were pro-EU until the mid 2000s when the UKIP rot started to seep into the party for instance.

And I'm sorry I don't have a signature as marvellous as yours to go with your outstanding posts.

Trelve posted...

The conservatives put the EU referendum in their 2015 manifesto as a way to stop votes going to UKIP.

Because the right wing wanted it

They expected another coalition government with the Lib Dems, who would block it.

because the (mostly right wing) ENGLISH population wanted it

Trelve posted...

Labour had 5 MPs who championed leaving the EU who founded Labour Leave

Wow

5 whole MPs

Guess it's both sides then

Trelve posted...

You don't have to be right-wing to be a eurosceptic.

And you dont have to be religious to be anti abortion

But call a spade a spade

The 17 million people who voted to Leave the EU are not all right-wing.

Most of them however are

Its insane you're even trying to deny this. Your own argument Is against it.

You're literally pretending UKIP and the Conservatives aren't right wing and that outliers on Labour mean the scales are equal

No, Brexit is, was and always will be a right wing Enterprise

The lib dems championed a second referendum
The SNPs claim they want another Scottish independence referendum due to Brexit because they all hate it.

Labour by your own admission nearly universally opposed it and Miliband literally point blank refused a referendum in his campaign because he thought it was so bad an idea

You made the bed, you lie in it. Brexit and its horrific idiocy and consequences are the result of the right wing. The left was not calling for it
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Choco posted...

the uk is a joke

100%

choco can say this

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Whats the details of cotention here. The article was not at all clear on this because CNN is garbage anus trash.

BurmesePenguin posted...

Whats the details of cotention here. The article was not at all clear on this because CNN is garbage anus trash.

A key part of the Withdrawal Agreement the UK and each of the EU-countries signed is that the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland will remain open as it has been while the UK was an EU-member. Now the UK Parliament has voted through a law which violates this and could result in a hard border between NI and RoI.

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That's pretty shitty of the UK

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BurmesePenguin posted...

Whats the details of cotention here. The article was not at all clear on this because CNN is garbage anus trash.

There's more than one but the biggest one is Ireland.

The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK. Northern Island is. They are seperate countries but yet are the same island.

https://i.imgur.com/7f1xxg3.jpg

Ireland is remaining in the EU. Brexit had nothing to do with them. Northern Ireland is leaving the EU due to Brexit. When they were in the EU there was freedom of movement, now the UK has left, there is no more freedom of movement between nations.

Which means the boarder is now a huge fucking issue.

It's a complicated history but let's just say the relationship between Northern Ireland and The Republic of Ireland is "Complex" with a lot of violence. You can't just place a hard boarder between the 2 without a ton of people dying and a rise of terrorism (which is already occuring) as well as family/friend seperation from people who have enjoyed the freedom of movement for decades. However now the fact one is part of the EU and one isn't with no boarder controls is going to fuck up trade, exports, smuggling etc between Ireland (Both) and the EU.

The World Trade Organizaton has a rule called the most favoured nation rule' which means you can't treat any nation differently to any other (on tarrifs, checks, rules etc) unless the nations involved all have an agreed upon trade deal. Since the EU and Ireland do but Northern Ireland doesn't. Not having a boarder literally defies international law.

There would also be nothing stopping trade from the UK going to the EU or back and forth through Ireland using Northern Ireland with no boarder.

So it's impossible to have a hard boarder, it's a terrible idea to not have a hard boarder.... WTF do you do?

Some level of restrictions and checks and rules? What are they? How are they implemented? Where's the money coming from to do it? IS movement going to be restricted?

England has been floating dozens of proposals for years now but they all suck. Now they are like "lol we don't care lol" and seem to be making it up as they go along. So naturally the EU is pissed and the Irish are concerned.

The UK, particularly the English and mainly the right wing in England really are the villains in this one. It's just another example of how stupid Brexit is and how much of a clusterfuck the conservatives are.
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CloneTheHero posted...

thats obviously going to change

Strong opposition in the UK to accepting the US's dismal farming and animal welfare standards.

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kurdt032 posted...

Strong opposition in the UK to accepting the US's dismal farming and animal welfare standards.

Not by conservatives
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lol europe

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kurdt032 posted...

Strong opposition in the UK to accepting the US's dismal farming and animal welfare standards.

Very apathetic that this will stop Boris unfortunately, but do hope they refuse to let the utterly deplorable US standards in just to get trade deals.

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