Current Events > The climax of Cobra Kai season 2 was insane (spoilers)

(+) Yeah! (+)

It felt like Anchorman

That got out of hand fast

The teachers all suck
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tbh, if I saw a bunch of students fighting each other using karate, I wouldn't try to get in the middle of that.

I'd call the police/security and wait.

but yea, I lost respect for Robby after that.

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New season in January, a bit of a wait, but i've held onto this cliffhanger since Season 2 premiered, it's been over a year and a half.

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g0ldie posted...

tbh, if I saw a bunch of students fighting each other using karate, I wouldn't try to get in the middle of that.

I'd call the police/security and wait.

but yea, I lost respect for Robby after that.

you respected Robby?

He's a criminal, liar and a douche
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he seemed like a kid who had the odds stacked against him, who could be good if given a chance

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UnfairRepresent posted...

you respected Robby?

He's a criminal, liar and a douche

His dad was never in the picture, mom is an addict who had a different guy over every week. (Or disappeared for weeks at a time.)

of course he got mixed up with the wrong crowd. And what happened after he started training/working with the LaRussos? He realized there was a better way to live, and changed his ways.

lying about Miyagis metal was a shitting thing, but doesnt ruin the character for me.

Theres a lot to unpack with the final fight

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lww99 posted...

His dad was never in the picture, mom is an addict who had a different guy over every week. (Or disappeared for weeks at a time.)

of course he got mixed up with the wrong crowd. And what happened after he started training/working with the LaRussos? He realized there was a better way to live, and changed his ways.

lying about Miyagis metal was a shitting thing, but doesnt ruin the character for me.

Theres a lot to unpack with the final fight

Nah I dont agree

"but he had it so hard so its okay to commit crimes " is bull and insult to the people in the same or worse situations who did not succumb

Robby is not a good person

Daniel didn't have a dad either, he didn't go around committing crimes and snapping peoples spines, he cycled and whined
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Nah I dont agree

"but he had it so hard so its okay to commit crimes " is bull and insult to the people in the same or worse situations who did not succumb

Robby is not a good person

Daniel didn't have a dad either, he didn't go around committing crimes and snapping peoples spines, he cycled and whined

im not excusing the final kick at all. I actually thought he killed Miguel, as he was falling. Didnt think there was any possibility of him surviving.

its not him having it hard, he literally had no supervision or structure at home. I think thats relevant.

For the record, I dont think hes some angel. Clearly he has a bad streak too, but I think hes conflicted.

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not using his background to excuse the stuff he did, but when he was given new opportunities, positive reinforcement, and people who actually cared about him, he seemed to improve, for the most part (with the exception of lying to Sam about the medal).

...and then he attacked Miguel when he had no cause to, almost killing him and potentially crippling him.

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g0ldie posted...

not using his background to excuse the stuff he did, but when he was given new opportunities, positive reinforcement, and people who actually cared about him

He lied, committed crimes and broke someone's spine...

Only thing he did was stop actively robbing businesses (Which he never even attempted to compensate or turn himself in for doing)

and theres more criteria to being respectable than that
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Miguel still won
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Of course we have to suspend disbelief, but Tory getting on the PA and saying "I'm coming for you bitch" in this day and age of mass shootings would have had SWAT all over that school in minutes.

As for Robbie....he is, indeed, an asshole. And the actor has such a punchable face which makes it worse for me.

But on some level I can separate those things to see the characters motivations. It's much too much to type all of it here, but I CAN understand his actions beyond "hes just an asshole". The last scene, especially, has more going on there than him just being angry. Hes lost again to Miguel, and he knows that Miguel showed him mercy, making it worse. For him, an emotionally immature teenager, getting defeated and getting mercy from his archrival for both his girlfriend's and his father's affection is just too much. Doesnt make it right, but can understand it.

jedisamurai posted...

Of course we have to suspend disbelief, but Tory getting on the PA and saying "I'm coming for you bitch" in this day and age of mass shootings would have had SWAT all over that school in minutes.

As for Robbie....he is, indeed, an asshole. And the actor has such a punchable face which makes it worse for me.

But on some level I can separate those things to see the characters motivations. It's much too much to type all of it here, but I CAN understand his actions beyond "hes just an asshole". The last scene, especially, has more going on there than him just being angry. Hes lost again to Miguel, and he knows that Miguel showed him mercy, making it worse. For him, an emotionally immature teenager, getting defeated and getting mercy from his archrival for both his girlfriend's and his father's affection is just too much. Doesnt make it right, but can understand it.

Maybe Tory took care of that

Swatted someone off camera before school so SWATT would be busy

No plot holes, no worries

Anyway I wasn't saying Robby was a bad character, just a bad person

The notion of "I really respected him when he committed crimes and lied and was rude to people but when he broke a dudes neck for no reason, I started to lose a bit of my respect for him" is just weird to me
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The one-shot fight scene was incredible, get excited thinking about it.

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TC is morally black and white. People change. Nobody is an angel no matter how good they seem. Sure, he did bad stuff, but hes trying to change.

Youre pretty much Daniel throwing shade at cobra kai for some teenage squabble decades ago.

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at least that geeky kid finally stood up to Hawk/Lip on this episode. lol

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

at least that geeky kid finally stood up to Hawk/Lip on this episode. lol

Dat was DA worst part, no way Da Hawk loses to dat bully
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I love the season finale for how much of a gut punch it was. I hadn't felt that since Agents of Shield when Ward was revealed to be an evil traitor.

I've always liked Robbie due to how good looking he is and full of potential and the fact that he looks like a young Shawn from Boy Meets World which gave me total feel good 90s vibes throughout the episodes.

So when he did that evil act I screamed with anguish.

What I love about the show is that they completely subvert your expectations. They make you think that Miguel, our original protagonist will turn evil right, and that Robby will be good right? And that Miguel will only get worse because his role model is Johnny (a bad person who even screws up when he's trying to be good) while Robby will get better because he has Daniel-san as a role model, who despite his faults is a better person than johnny was due to robbie.

But nope. In the end Miguel is the one who actually showed mercy and became the better person, and it was Robbie who did that horrible action.

I feel like there's so many layers to this. Whether nature or nurture triumphs over the other: eg Miguel came from a household of love with his mother etc despite the hard times they faced, so even with Kreese and Johnny's training of being "tough" his core being is still that sweet boy, while Robbie an at-risk youth was finally given an opportunity for the first time in his life, being taken under Daniel's wing and having a home and everything, but his jealous nature came out and made him do something reckless and stupid?

Another layer I felt is that it showed Robbie was truly Johnny's son; going completely crazy over a woman, just like Johnny did over Ali back in the first karate kid (attempting to kill Daniel larusso etc). Robby seemed like he was a good or nice enough person but when it came to Sam he resorted to deception and desperation because he wanted to hold on to that relationship so tightly, too tightly.

All in all, that switcheroo they did was both unexpected and foreshadowed at the same time, which is why I feel it's so good (in terms of strong emotional impact, but otherwise feels bad man)
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...

at least that geeky kid finally stood up to Hawk/Lip on this episode. lol

Really?

That was my least favorite part

Meat has done nothing but be a bully and a jerk to everyone for 2 seasons and instead of getting comeuppance he.. Wins? wtf

I wanted to see Hawk kick his face off.

Meat is the most annoying character in the show, he has literally no redeeming features

Every other character was bullied for something beyond their control

hawks lip
Miguel's asthma
Aisha being fat.... ok her fault but she was still a nice person

Meat is perfectly physically able and intelligent and yet spends his life insulting people, invading personal space and being rude as fuck while taking credit for other people's work

I dont get why the show thinks we should have sympathy for him. he's a massive bully
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I'm wondering where the story is going to go. I didn't mind the ending but I felt like it was building up towards a round 2 karate tournament. Is there even going to be one now? Also fuck Hawk. Dmitri kicking his ass was the best part.

burns112233 posted...

I'm wondering where the story is going to go. I didn't mind the ending but I felt like it was building up towards a round 2 karate tournament. Is there even going to be one now? Also fuck Hawk. Dmitri kicking his ass was the best part.

I guess if you cheer for the bullies

And they've set up season 3

Ali is going to turn up and somehow make Johnny fight Kreese to get Cobra Kai back
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i was cheering for my boy Hawk but dude was starting to get out of control. like i was glad for his transformation but he was starting to become a real dick.

hence why in a way, i was glad Dmitri put his ass in check even if he's an annoying little shit who doesnt stfu... lol

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Youre pretty much Daniel throwing shade at cobra kai for some teenage squabble decades ago.

Alright, in fairness, Karate Kid 3 IS canon, evan if it's stupid and bad. And it took the whole thing up from "stupid teenage squabble" to "founders of cobra kai deliberately physically and mentally torturing and even outright trying to kill Daniel"

I mean, hell, if we wanna be technical, the incident with the bikes in 1, and the beatdown after the Halloween dance both could have very easily killed him, too.

Daniel has a lot of misplaced ill will in Cobra Kai, definitely, but let's not pretend like the place hasn't done some fucked up shit to him. If anything, the show's constant attempts to disregard his worries as some "stupid high school karate rivalry" is kinda fucked up, all things considered.

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DarkBuster22904 posted...

I mean, hell, if we wanna be technical, the incident with the bikes in 1, and the beatdown after the Halloween dance both could have very easily killed him, too.

I thought that was what they were playing off with Miguel and Robby

Basically what Johnny would have done if no one was there to stop him.

Which works on two levels.

1. Robby is like Johnny.
2. Once again, Johnny was not there when Miguel needed him.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I guess if you cheer for the bullies

Even if I walk with you to that pier, Hawk is CLEARLY the greater of the two evils, at this point. Dmitri is, at worst, a smug prick. Hawk is just as verbally abusive, with a lot more physical savagery and abuse thrown in for good measure. Getting humbled by a twerp like Dmitri is something he DESPERATELY needs.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I guess if you cheer for the bullies

And they've set up season 3

Ali is going to turn up and somehow make Johnny fight Kreese to get Cobra Kai back

Season 3 has Daniel going to Japan, and has Chozen coming back. I could see that happening as Johnny deals with Kreese.

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Tory is hot af

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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

Moon is best character. Peace is the answer.

Johnny is the best character IMO

Daniel's wife is the "best" character in the sense of the being the most reasonable one. Even if she does spy on her daughter's laptop which is fucked.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

Even if I walk with you to that pier, Hawk is CLEARLY the greater of the two evils, at this point. Dmitri is, at worst, a smug prick. Hawk is just as verbally abusive, with a lot more physical savagery and abuse thrown in for good measure. Getting humbled by a twerp like Dmitri is something he DESPERATELY needs.

I couldn't disagree more.

Meat is second only to Kreese as the most detestable character in the show and he is the worst character for entertainment value as a viewer.

He's emotionally and verbally abusive, a total coward, a complete whiner and hypocrite.

Literally the first thing he does in the show is put down and insult Miguel for trying to be his friend. Then when Miguel tries to talk to Lip goes "Oh he doesn't talk!" over him which is how abusive boy/girlfriends act. Reenforcing the bullying and low self-esteem the guy is facing.

Then literally every moment of every scene Meat is rude and insulting eveyone around him in an annoying way. He makes fun of karate despite knowing how important it is to everyone. Then when Lip gets the tattoo and hair cut and starts growing self-confidence, what does Meat do? Make fun of it and repeatedly try to remind him that he is a loser called Eli. That's again just verbal and emotional bullying.

Then despite being a pussy who did nothng he takes credit for all of Hawk's hard work and credibility Hawk got for being in Cobra Kai and working hard. Right to Hawk's face. Hawk at this point is still hanging around with him a ll the time and trying to get to him to join and better himself.

Then as I mentioned earlier in the topic. Meat goes to Kreese and the first thing he did is insult him and whine at him and (Despite having just ranted about personal space) grab his arm and insult his tattoos, all because he suspected Kreese wouldn't be allowed to defend himself due to society. The guy is a bully and a hypocrite.

Then at this point Hawk tells Meat to fuck off because he's sick of him. But Meat doesn't and continues trying to degrade Hawk and tell him his a nerd. So Hawk pours a drink on him (sure douchey but NOTHING compared to what Meat has done for 2 seasons straight)

And in response Meat goes in public to all of Hawk's friends and reveals ALL of Hawk's deepest and most embarrasing secrets that Hawk told him in confidence so everyone would mock and laugh at him.

That's evil.

And after all this Meat just gets away with it and wins?

The twerp is the worst kind of bully. The lying, rude, emotionally/verbally manipulative cowardly pathetic hypocrite.

He's Joffrey from game of Thrones, Randall from Recess, Micah from RDR2

All the other characters were bullied for things beyond their control. All of the things Meat did, he did intentionally and with malice and forethought.

All of the other characters worked hard to improve themselves (admittedly weirdly fucking quickly) except Meat who did no work and then magically somehow got skilled because the writers decided it.

He's the biggest bully on the show (unless you count Kreese but I dunno if Bully is the right word for him) and the result is ... He just gets away with it, stays the way he is and esstentially develops magic powers... WTF kind of moral is that? It would be like if Johnny won in the original Karate Kid and then went "Well yeah but Daniel sprayed water at me one time so clearly he's the bully"

I just don't get how anyone can be on his side or feel sympathy for him. If Hawk was a female girl instead of a boy, no one would be pretending all the horrific shit Meat has been doing for 2 seasons wasn't grotesque.
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CommonJoe posted...

Tory is hot af

Sam is best bae
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UnfairRepresent posted...

All of the other characters worked hard to improve themselves (admittedly weirdly f***ing quickly) except Meat who did no work and then magically somehow got skilled because the writers decided it.

This.

I agree with everything you said actually, but this especially. His character is extremely unlikable, but if he had put in the work, you could have understood a little. But he didnt. As you said, he just got magically good.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I just don't get how anyone can be on his side or feel sympathy for him.

I dont think the show is trying to make you feel that way about him. Hes the one character that still isnt really taking to karate, be it Daniels or Johnnys or Kreeses, and its right in line with how unlikable he is.

He may have got lucky in the S2 finale but that was hardly a straight up fight; Hawk was going nutso and it plays to what hes become that despite all his relative power he could still get knocked down by a weaker person.

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V-E-G-Y- posted...

Sam is best bae

My dick says crazy is better so

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CommonJoe posted...

dont think the show is trying to make you feel that way about him. Hes the

it absolutely is

From the music, to the camera angles to him never facing comeuppance. All the cinematography sets him up as a hero, look at this very topic with people cheering for him

he's a bully and a douche
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CommonJoe posted...

My dick says crazy is better so

Tory has to be the most random character in the show

she just turns up out of no where and exasperated everything for pretty much no reason

Shes like if the Joker was a teenage girl
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