Current Events > It bugs me more than ever during Covid that people in the UK don't tip.

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I was at the Harvester with some friends and the staff now have to do everything. If you want to go to the Salad Bar you have to stand 3 feet away and bark orders at some tiny teenage waitress to grab everything you want.

And the drinks are no longer self service so the girls (who are understaffed) are run off their feet doing it for every table as well as the generic day to say table service.

Then I tried to leave a tip and my friends looked at me like I was trying to hump a fish and are just like "it's not mandatory here, that's why it's more expensive (I always rag on it for being expensive to eat out to wind them up. Burger King is like 7:50 here which is like $12) so you dont tip"

And nobody tips delivery people. It's unheard of.

I don't like it during normal times but now more than ever just give these dudes a tip. Imagine the shit they deal with all day every day from idiots and conservatives on top of an intense workload and the possibility of getting sick.

What's a tenner to you? To that single mother girl it's the difference between whether or not the radiator is on tonight.

Why be so cheap?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Why be so cheap?

Because I live IN A FUCKING TRASH CAN!!

We do carry-outs for people where I work, which is to say taking cases of wine out to peoples car. And almost no one tips, it's actually become rather annoying. Because I know in the back of their head they know they should.

Hell, I tip at least a buck just for someone bring a small order out to me at a sandwich place that is still just taken out only.

People are shitty.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Burger King is like 7:50 here which is like $12) so you dont tip"

...who tips at burger king?

UnfairRepresent posted...

my friends

friends? that is how i know you're lying

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KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

Because I live IN A FUCKING TRASH CAN!!

https://imgur.com/Sun0zcU
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I always rag on it for being expensive to eat out to wind them up

so you act like this IRL too?
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SiO4 posted...

https://imgur.com/Sun0zcU

in the pilot they establish he lived there by choice and inside is a 3 floor house
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Parappa09 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

my friends

friends? that is how i know you're lying

get 'im

UnfairRepresent posted...

in the pilot they establish he lived there by choice and inside is a 3 floor house

Ya, I kinda figured that. Which ironically is true of a lot of homeless people....the by choice part.
I know it sounds fucked up, but it becomes their comfort zone.
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SiO4 posted...

Ya, I kinda figured that. Which ironically is true of a lot of homeless people....the by choice part.
I know it sounds fucked up, but it becomes their comfort zone.

No it's very true

I've worked with a lot of homeless people, got them jobs and apartments and then they just quit and go back to the street because they prefer it to the responsibility of everyday life and work

People so utterly massively underestimate how big a role drugs and mental illness play in homelessness

Legalizing all drugs and better standards of mental healthcare would cripple homelessness rates inside of a couple of years

Yet no political group is advocating for that, its infuriating
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UnfairRepresent posted...

No it's very true

I've worked with a lot of homeless people, got them jobs and apartments and then they just quit and go back to the street because they prefer it to the responsibility of everyday life and work

People so utterly massively underestimate how big a role drugs and mental illness play in homelessness

Legalizing all drugs and better standards of mental healthcare would cripple homelessness rates inside of a couple of years

Yet no political group is advocating for that, its infuriating

Truth.
Honestly, most people couldn't care less about homeless people.
They just don't want to have to see them.

There are several homeless communities in my city..as small city....and the only homeless people that get talked about are the ones that hang around downtown. Which overlooks at least one, more or less established community that is off in the woods by the railroad station.

Meanwhile, my town is talking about converting a hotel to...yet more... high-end luxury apartments.

But ya, the suggestions you made would go a long way.....Unfortunately we, as a nation, don't care.
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SiO4 posted...

the suggestions you made would go a long way.....Unfortunately we, as a nation, don't care.

The US is no different I'm sad to report

it's even worse in Germany, the not caring is more direct apathy there
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Von Deutschland?
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Nein, ich komme nicht aus Deutschland, aber ich habe dort gewohnt
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I usually tip anywhere from $1-2.

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Tipping is mostly an American thing. And it sucks. I hate tipping culture. Did you know tipping originally was illegal? And was considered un-American? Tipping needs to be re-banned

Zikten posted...

Tipping is mostly an American thing. And it sucks. I hate tipping culture. Did you know tipping originally was illegal? And was considered un-American? Tipping needs to be re-banned

Illegal? Un-American? Gee I had no idea. You are right, fuck that waitress making $2.50 an hour. She should complain to her boss about her shitty pay instead of mooching off of patrons amiright?

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Tipping creates a sense of entitlement in society for doing their job. It transforms into a sense of entitlement to hear a good job or constant pat on the back in many job fields.

See: Policing and Nursing

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Tipped people make below minimum wage.

MW is law.

Isn't that a red flag?

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do you tip the chimney sweep?

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also tip income is taxable.

If you give money it's not.


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Flauros posted...

do you tip the chimney sweep?

Cor blimey Gov'nor
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the term "light a fire under their ass" derived from chimney sweepers back in the day.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Why be so cheap?

its not about being cheap. its about the business paying their employees a livable wage. a lot of american customs are fucking stupid but tipping is one of the stupidest customs of all.

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Do you tip your Walmart cart boy? Cause I can tell you straight up that he deals with a ton of shit everyday, even before Covid.

Always lol at the thought of having to pay extra money for someone doing the job they're expected to do.

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Oatcakes posted...

Always lol at the thought of having to pay extra money for someone doing the job they're expected to do.

Their job is serving you and everyone else around you at your whim. it's not comparable to non service jobs
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why does unfair represent ALWAYS dodge and evade posts which prove him wrong, and ALWAYS make non-arguments which dont disprove what anyone else says

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Zikten posted...

Tipping is mostly an American thing.

If you tip in certain places, like Japan or Italy, it's considered rude.

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WashYourHands posted...

Illegal? Un-American? Gee I had no idea. You are right, fuck that waitress making $2.50 an hour. She should complain to her boss about her shitty pay instead of mooching off of patrons amiright?

No one is saying people should work below minimum wage. What we are saying is pay your workers appropriately. Tipping is a stupid practice. UK got this one right. Workers are paid so they dont have to rely on tips. Id rather pay more up front than tip 20% (which I do).

SiO4 posted...

We do carry-outs for people where I work, which is to say taking cases of wine out to peoples car. And almost no one tips, it's actually become rather annoying. Because I know in the back of their head they know they should.

Hell, I tip at least a buck just for someone bring a small order out to me at a sandwich place that is still just taken out only.

People are shitty.

Normal carryout isnt a service one is expected to tip. I order food, walk in, pay, and pick it up. Neither the restaurant nor the workers provided me with any additional service like they do when someone dines in. If you are carrying cases of stuff to someones car, you have a case, but I still dont think it should be expected unless its several trips. It doesnt make someone a shitty person.

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The_Yahtz09 posted...

No one is saying people should work below minimum wage. What we are saying is pay your workers appropriately. Tipping is a stupid practice. UK got this one right. Workers are paid so they dont have to rely on tips. Id rather pay more up front than tip 20% (which I do).

It's not an either or thing

Why not tip someone working min wage?

As I said earlier:
UnfairRepresent posted...

What's a tenner to you? To that single mother girl it's the difference between whether or not the radiator is on tonight.

Why be so cheap?

This whole "You don't HAVE to do it so fuck everyone who isnt me" is an attitude I dont get
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I also just don't like it when a waiter/waitress does the bare minimum and then expects a great tip. I tip accordingly to the level of service I get.

I once went to Fuddruckers, a do it yourself burger bar, and while I was eating, a "waitress" came up and asked how I was, which was good, and if I needed anything, which I didn't. When I was leaving the restaurant I noticed her give me a mean stink eye, because I left no tip, I'm assuming.

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Servers would probably be above minimum wage

I am heavily biased

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Kajagogo posted...

If you tip in certain places, like Japan or Italy, it's considered rude.

It's not rude at all in Italy. Check out what 'mancia' means.

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The_Yahtz09 posted...

Normal carryout isnt a service one is expected to tip. I order food, walk in, pay, and pick it up. Neither the restaurant nor the workers provided me with any additional service like they do when someone dines in. If you are carrying cases of stuff to someones car, you have a case, but I still dont think it should be expected unless its several trips. It doesnt make someone a shitty person.

I choose to tip the person that brings the food out to me...a simple sandwich.

Yet, it doesn't seem kinda nice of someone to tip on carrying out hundreds of dollars of wine to their Audi SUV?

If you know you're going to do that, you slap a fiver in the back before had, point to it and say, 'That's yours.'
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MedeaLysistrata posted...

I am heavily biased

yes
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I'll tip a couple of pounds/euros, but not 20%
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Their job is serving you and everyone else around you at your whim. it's not comparable to non service jobs

For the same reason you don't pay a "building rent" cost as an extra, the cost should be factored into the price of the food and the staff paid a fair wage.

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And I repeat:

UnfairRepresent posted...

It's not an either or thing

Why not tip someone working min wage?

As I said earlier:

This whole "You don't HAVE to do it so fuck everyone who isnt me" is an attitude I dont get

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The same reason you don't tip every other person you interact with everywhere who behaves the way you'd expect them to.

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I now expect you to tip me btw, if you don't then you've proven me right :)

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SiO4 posted...

I choose to tip the person that brings the food out to me...a simple sandwich.

Yet, it doesn't seem kinda nice of someone to tip on carrying out hundreds of dollars of wine to their Audi SUV?

If you know you're going to do that, you slap a fiver in the back before had, point to it and say, 'That's yours.'

I didn't say it isn't nice or that people shouldn't do it. I don't think those workers should expect a tip though. If you get one it should be a bonus, not the expectation.

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Oatcakes posted...

The same reason you don't tip every other person you interact with everywhere who behaves the way you'd expect them to.

Thats bullshit logic and you know it

One is serving you , the other isn't

"I treat the dog who shits on the floor and the person who delivered my wife's baby the same way because they both did what I expected them too"

They're literally serving you and everyone else hand over foot. Give them a damn tip you carfaced shoe
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You tip people who deliver babies? Very strange.

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Also, your point just boils down to "you should because you just should"

Crap argument.

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Oatcakes posted...

Also, your point just boils down to "you should because you just should"

Crap argument.

You should because they deserve it and you should strive to be a good person, not a cretin
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UnfairRepresent posted...

You should just cus

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UnfairRepresent posted...

You should because they deserve it and you should strive to be a good person, not a cretin

In the US, that is absolutely true. Their pay scale is predicated on tips. In other countries where tipping is not the culture, those servers are already getting fairly compensated without tips. Now that isnt to say that you cant tip if you want to. Sure, everyone (including me) could use an extra tenner (whatever that is; assuming its currency) for doing good work. Your friends are morons for trying to make you feel bad for tipping, but tipping isnt necessary in those circumstances.

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The_Yahtz09 posted...

In the US, that is absolutely true. Their pay scale is predicated on tips. In other countries where tipping is not the culture, those servers are already getting fairly compensated without tips. Now that isnt to say that you cant tip if you want to. Sure, everyone (including me) could use an extra tenner (whatever that is; assuming its currency) for doing good work. Your friends are morons for trying to make you feel bad for tipping, but tipping isnt necessary in those circumstances.

And wiping your hands isn't "necessary " after shitting

you should still do it for obvious reasons. Its not about what's necessary and the world doesn't just revolve around you
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