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PartRaptor
10/15/20 9:24:34 AM
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After being healed by Dende, Vegeta got a huge power-up but was still no match Frieza at all. Even base Goku was ahead of Vegeta and put up a better fight against Frieza.

If Vegeta had somehow went Super Saiyan after his zenkai boost, would he have beaten Frieza?
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10/15/20 9:26:42 AM
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Drunk Cobra
10/15/20 9:27:08 AM
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Vegeta is never allowed to win.

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Veggeta X
10/15/20 9:27:34 AM
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Yes. SSJ level was too much for Freiza.

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PurestProdigy
10/15/20 9:27:45 AM
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Yes, SSJ was quite significantly stronger than Frieza's final form 100% at the time.

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Veggeta X
10/15/20 9:28:40 AM
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Drunk Cobra posted...
Vegeta is never allowed to win.
Yes as he shouldn't be. Beating the big big baddies should always be reserved for the main character. Imagine if it was Sasuke that defeated Shakaku

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Ving_Rhames
10/15/20 9:28:45 AM
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Yes.
And it was during a time when Vegeta wasn't a complete fucking idiotic clown of a character, so he ACTUALLY would have killed Frieza immediately.

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UnfairRepresent
10/15/20 9:30:28 AM
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Yes. He wouldn't have allowed Freiza to power up and killed him like Cui

Then probably killed Gohan/Krillin/Dende too, beat the shit out of Goku but kept him alive to make him watch his son die to be the only possible challenge he has left for the future
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pikachupwnage
10/15/20 9:32:45 AM
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PurestProdigy posted...
Yes, SSJ was quite significantly stronger than Frieza's final form 100% at the time.

Wasnt it only a bit stronger? Like 10-20% higher Powerlevel? Enough to hold a clear advantage but only wasnt it such an effortlessly thrashing because Freiza burned out his stamina after like a minute of his 100% form because he was a lazy prick who never trained?

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Veggeta X
10/15/20 9:34:33 AM
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pikachupwnage posted...
Wasnt it only a bit stronger? Like 10-20% higher Powerlevel? Enough to hold a clear advantage but only wasnt it such an effortlessly thrashing because Freiza burned out his stamina after like a minute of his 100% form because he was a lazy prick who never trained?
Wasn't Trunks a fresh SSJ when he effortlessly beat Freiza and King Cold? And Goku likes to toy around a LOT.

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UnfairRepresent
10/15/20 9:36:34 AM
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Veggeta X posted...

Wasn't Trunks a fresh SSJ when he effortlessly beat Freiza and King Cold? And Goku likes to toy around a LOT.

Yeah but he just had a massive Zenkai boost
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SolidShadow3
10/15/20 9:38:51 AM
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He'd have immediately gone for the throat (not literally, but you know). Frieza would have been scared up until his last breath.

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SuperVegitoFAN
10/15/20 9:40:47 AM
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If we follow power levels he couldnt beat fp frieza... but thats assuming Vegeta allows frieza to go full power(or even just 50% for that matter) and not just kill him as is.


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UnfairRepresent
10/15/20 9:48:55 AM
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SuperVegitoFAN posted...
If we follow power levels

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Tsuyoi3
10/15/20 10:03:41 AM
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Final Form Frieza is at 60mil while 50 percent. 120 at full power, and Vegeta IS egotistical enough to let him transform again.
Now, Vegeta was enough to smoke Jeice effortlessly before the Krillin Zenkai. Hard to calculate zenkais, but I'd say 100k at the most.

The Krillin zenkai would have to put him around 3mil if he wants to take Frieza on at both full strength.
Considering Goku did just that after his Ginyu fight at around 85k shooting to 3 mil.
Yeah, it's definitely probable and would make sense, considering his injury was worse than Goku's

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UnfairRepresent
10/15/20 10:06:52 AM
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Tsuyoi3 posted...
Vegeta IS egotistical enough to let him transform again.

I'm not sure he is

He desperately tried to stop the spirit bomb hated Freezea
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Scotty_Rogers
10/15/20 10:06:54 AM
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Maybe. SS1 is officially a 50x boost; Goku's base was 3 million, so he was 150 million as an SS1. Freeza's max is 120 million; Vegeta's base needs to be at least 2.4 million for him to have a shot, and 2.5 million for him to win.

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DarkChozoGhost
10/15/20 10:07:28 AM
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Power levels don't matter as much as people still think they do. Super Saiyans are on another level, Frieza wouldn't have beaten him

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Veggeta X
10/15/20 10:08:19 AM
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One thing you guys keep forgetting is stamina. Freiza can be stronger than SSJ but he wouldn't be able to outlast SSJ.

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ToPoPO
10/15/20 10:09:52 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Power levels don't matter as much as people still think they do. Super Saiyans are on another level, Frieza wouldn't have beaten him

That's like saying Super Saiyan Kid Trunks or Goten would've beat Frieza lmao
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Scotty_Rogers
10/15/20 10:10:19 AM
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ToPoPO posted...
That's like saying Super Saiyan Kid Trunks or Goten would've beat Frieza lmao

In the Boo arc? Of course they would.

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AlisLandale
10/15/20 10:11:55 AM
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Vegeta would have choked, somehow.

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SuperVegitoFAN
10/15/20 10:29:21 AM
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Tsuyoi3 posted...
Final Form Frieza is at 60mil while 50 percent. 120 at full power, and Vegeta IS egotistical enough to let him transform again.
Now, Vegeta was enough to smoke Jeice effortlessly before the Krillin Zenkai. Hard to calculate zenkais, but I'd say 100k at the most.

The Krillin zenkai would have to put him around 3mil if he wants to take Frieza on at both full strength.
Considering Goku did just that after his Ginyu fight at around 85k shooting to 3 mil.
Yeah, it's definitely probable and would make sense, considering his injury was worse than Goku's

But Goku is at 3mil and he was doing better against Frieza than Vegeta was.

Unless GOku was using Kaioken before 50% Frieza.

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Tyranthraxus
10/15/20 10:31:45 AM
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If Vegeta actually achieved SSJ on Namek Frieza dies right then and there, Namek never explodes, and the scene where Trunks cubes him on earth later never happens.

Goku also never learns IT so I don't know what that means for cell saga.

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Tsuyoi3
10/15/20 10:34:57 AM
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SuperVegitoFAN posted...
But Goku is at 3mil and he was doing better against Frieza than Vegeta was.

Unless GOku was using Kaioken before 50% Frieza.
Iirc King Kai says he's been using it when asked why Goku doesn't, though that could be filler, granted good reasoning filler.
20x ain't 50x, but it's not bad, especially when Frieza was essentially playing with Goku.
Then again no one but Goku could react to death beam...so yeah Vegeta would be less than 3mil.
2 mil is enough if he doesn't let Frieza transform

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Trumpo
10/15/20 10:36:29 AM
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He would have sent them to the next dimension
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Tyranthraxus
10/15/20 10:36:55 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
Wasn't Trunks a fresh SSJ when he effortlessly beat Freiza and King Cold? And Goku likes to toy around a LOT.

Trunks had been fighting the androids at that point. Not a fair comparison.

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SuperVegitoFAN
10/15/20 10:39:40 AM
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Tsuyoi3 posted...
Iirc King Kai says he's been using it when asked why Goku doesn't, though that could be filler, granted good reasoning filler.

That is after Frieza goes up to 50%.

Its not as clear if Goku is using Kaioken prior to that. Unless im missing something of course.

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Tsuyoi3
10/15/20 11:03:54 AM
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Guess Vegeta wasn't at 3 mil then.
So less likely Vegeta would win.

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Scotty_Rogers
10/15/20 11:55:50 AM
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SuperVegitoFAN posted...
That is after Frieza goes up to 50%.

Its not as clear if Goku is using Kaioken prior to that. Unless im missing something of course.

Daizenshuu says he was.
Anime and official colored manga say nah.

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SuperVegitoFAN
10/15/20 12:14:22 PM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
Daizenshuu says he was.
Anime and official colored manga say nah.
Hmm

Wasnt frieza just over 4mil initially in final form (530k 1st, 1.060k 2nd, 2.120k 3rd would make 4th 4.240k)

If he was then that would mean they where close and Gokus skill covered the difference.

Idk if this is canon but i love it enough for it to be my headcanon

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ChrisTaka
10/15/20 12:25:54 PM
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Probably not. Idk about power level numbers and all that but end of Frieza saga Base Goku was a lot stronger than end of Frieza saga Base Vegeta, and SSJ Goku just barely defeated Frieza (hell, he technically didn't even beat him) If SSJ Vegeta went all out before Frieza went 100% then yeah, he'd probably beat Frieza. But this is Vegeta we're talking about, he would have let Frieza reach 100%.

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discodancer77
10/15/20 12:28:32 PM
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Narratively sure, but power scaling-wise, no.

Frieza was ~120mil max power
Base Goku was 3mil
SSJ Goku becomes 150mil

Vegeta was probably in the high hundred thousands, but even if he was 2mil, the 50x multiplier from Super Saiyan would not have been nearly enough

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Veggeta X
10/15/20 12:38:42 PM
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discodancer77 posted...
Narratively sure, but power scaling-wise, no.

Frieza was ~120mil max power
Base Goku was 3mil
SSJ Goku becomes 150mil

Vegeta was probably in the high hundred thousands, but even if he was 2mil, the 50x multiplier from Super Saiyan would not have been nearly enough

Veggeta X posted...
One thing you guys keep forgetting is stamina. Freiza can be stronger than SSJ but he wouldn't be able to outlast SSJ.
This happened during the Golden Freiza arc too where Golden Freiza was stronger then SSB Goku/Vegeta but because they had more stamina and could sustain their form longer and better, they was able to outlast and beat Freiza

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MKScorpion
10/15/20 12:39:28 PM
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What what his PL back then? SSJ is a big boost (x50) and it gave Goku the edge but I also seem to recall Goku in base already being a good deal stronger than Vegeta at the time.
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Scotty_Rogers
10/15/20 12:40:26 PM
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Vegeta was definitely in the millions. Second Form Freeza was over 1 million and the Third Form was above that. Vegeta was above the Third Form after his last Zenkai.

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discodancer77
10/15/20 12:54:37 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
This happened during the Golden Freiza arc too where Golden Freiza was stronger then SSB Goku/Vegeta but because they had more stamina and could sustain their form longer and better, they was able to outlast and beat Freiza

Frieza wouldnt have needed to go into his buff 100% form, which is the only one to significantly impact his stamina. Also once Frieza realized how strong SS made Goku, he started fighting a lot more seriously. Frieza had trouble killing Goku because he was so much more powerful than him, but he wouldnt have as tough a time with Vegeta

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ChrisTaka
10/15/20 12:56:09 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
This happened during the Golden Freiza arc too where Golden Freiza was stronger then SSB Goku/Vegeta but because they had more stamina and could sustain their form longer and better, they was able to outlast and beat Freiza

The things about that though is that in the F movie Frieza literally just got Golden Form and set off to fight Goku and friends. Goku even said that if Frieza mastered the form he would have lost. I'd imagine that wouldn't have been a problem in his 100% form cuz it literally just his base form going full power.

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SolidShadow3
10/15/20 12:57:47 PM
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Are you all forgetting Vegeta's straight up blood lust for Frieza? Dude wants him dead more than almost anything. He wouldn't hesitate to murder him asap.

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ChrisTaka
10/15/20 1:01:57 PM
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SolidShadow3 posted...
Are you all forgetting Vegeta's straight up blood lust for Frieza? Dude wants him dead more than almost anything. He wouldn't hesitate to murder him asap.

Just like how he killed him immediately in the Ressurection F movie ... oh wait.

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Irony
10/15/20 1:07:52 PM
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Probably not, Goku kinda barely beat Freeza and prior to going SSJ he was a lot stronger than Vegeta.

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discodancer77
10/15/20 1:08:31 PM
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SolidShadow3 posted...
Are you all forgetting Vegeta's straight up blood lust for Frieza? Dude wants him dead more than almost anything. He wouldn't hesitate to murder him asap.

thats assuming he could, tbh. Frieza is definitely susceptible to being taken off guard, but dude tanked a spirit bomb, and an assault from like 3-4 Z Fighters and was toying the whole time.

Also, Vegeta at this point in time is just as likely to get a bit drunk off power And start lording his power over Frieza and get overconfident

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DrizztLink
10/15/20 1:09:06 PM
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Ving_Rhames posted...
Yes.
And it was during a time when Vegeta wasn't a complete fucking idiotic clown of a character, so he ACTUALLY would have killed Frieza immediately.
We're talking about the guy who LET Cell absorb 18.

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gamer167
10/15/20 1:27:21 PM
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Almost every time Vegeta gets a power boost he gets cocky and gets beat.

Examples being Zarbon, Frieza, Android 18, Cell. So he would probably lose.
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Veggeta X
10/15/20 1:38:03 PM
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discodancer77 posted...
Frieza wouldnt have needed to go into his buff 100% form, which is the only one to significantly impact his stamina. Also once Frieza realized how strong SS made Goku, he started fighting a lot more seriously. Frieza had trouble killing Goku because he was so much more powerful than him, but he wouldnt have as tough a time with Vegeta

ChrisTaka posted...
The things about that though is that in the F movie Frieza literally just got Golden Form and set off to fight Goku and friends. Goku even said that if Frieza mastered the form he would have lost. I'd imagine that wouldn't have been a problem in his 100% form cuz it literally just his base form going full power.
That's why I said stamina is an issue for Freiza and he would have lost no matter what.

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Steve Nick
10/15/20 1:45:35 PM
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Vegeta turned into an idiot immediately when he got SSJ.

Look at Namek -- He's cunning and tactical, doing whatever it takes to win. Then he gets SSJ and he starts throwing every fight.

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discodancer77
10/15/20 1:51:24 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
That's why I said stamina is an issue for Freiza and he would have lost no matter what.

Frieza wouldnt need to go 100% (his stamina-draining form) to beat SS Vegeta on Namek tho

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Veggeta X
10/15/20 1:52:45 PM
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discodancer77 posted...
Frieza wouldnt need to go 100% (his stamina-draining form) to beat SS Vegeta on Namek tho
So what would his PL be without going 100% vs SSJ Vegeta on Namek?

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ChrisTaka
10/15/20 2:02:50 PM
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gamer167 posted...
Almost every time Vegeta gets a power boost he gets cocky and gets beat.

Examples being Zarbon, Frieza, Android 18, Cell. So he would probably lose.

I can picture it now:

Vegeta goes SSJ and kicks Final Form Frieza's ass

Frieza says he hasn't even reached his full power.

Vegeta let's Frieza go full power cuz he wants to humiliate him by beating him at his full power

Frieza goes full power

Vegeta gets his ass kicked

something something Goku saves the day

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HagenEx
10/15/20 2:03:13 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I'm not sure he is


The fuck? Have you forgotten second phase Cell? Vegeta was the one to let him achieve final form.

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