Current Events > Another generation, another AMD GPU disappointment

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AMD be like: "Don't benchmark raytracing or let NVIDIA use DLSS"

All for a whopping $50 less MSRP


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I really don't understand gpus at all

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Im confused, the chart isnt saying AMD is better?

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looks like im going Nvidia again...

I don't see this as a disappointment. We will have to see the independent benchmarks when it releases, but if the numbers are near, then I think it shows AMD is finally getting in the ring with nVidia.

I do think the prices should be lowered for the 6800 and 6800 XT by at least another $50.

Alpha218 posted...

Im confused, the chart isnt saying AMD is better?

No raytracing benchmarks, for one

One suspects turning RT on tanks the performance like it does the GTX 1000 series.

The 6800 XT is only $50 cheaper than the 3080. But without RT cores and stuff like DLSS, it's not really feature-comparable, and AMD knows it.


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Nice now the 3080 TI can release in a few months and I'll have a new GPU

cool but at least it has actual vram for the upcoming gen of games which is far more important than the meme of raytracing

at this point ray tracing and DLSS are still gimmicks. too few games make use of either option.

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https://i.imgur.com/QbaHOkg.png
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DarkRoast posted...

No raytracing benchmarks, for one

One suspects turning RT on tanks the performance like it does the GTX 1000 series.

The 6800 XT is only $50 cheaper than the 3080. But without RT cores and stuff like DLSS, it's not really feature-comparable, and AMD knows it.

Both do RT which only works for 15 games anyway, AMD's version DLSS is coming, double the VRAM for the 6800 xt for less money.
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Doesn't look like a disappointment at all. To be competitive with nvidia on their latest cards is great.

And Ray Tracing tanks performance on the RTX 3000 series as well. So I'm not sure what complaint you're trying to drive here.

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is it really just 50 dollars less?

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refmon posted...

is it really just 50 dollars less?

The 6800xt is comparable to the 3080 for $50 less and double the VRAM
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no DLSS solution is a pretty big negative though

Given AMDs driver situation and now they still arent reallly competing with nvidia theres still no reason to get an AMD gpu. If saving money is important to you, get a cheaper nvidia card

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DarthAragorn posted...

no DLSS solution is a pretty big negative though

AMD has named theirs Super Resolution and is near ready
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voldothegr8 posted...

AMD has named theirs Super Resolution and is near ready

I see no confirmation of this anywhere

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/16202/amd-reveals-the-radeon-rx-6000-series-rdna2-starts-at-the-highend-coming-november-18th/2

As things currently stand super Resolution is still under development, so it wont be available to game developers (or gamers) at the time of the RX 6000 series launch. But once it is, like AMDs other FidelityFX graphics libraries, it will be released as an open source project on GPUOpen, and AMD is explicitly noting that its being designed as a cross-platform solution. Game devs will also be happy to hear that AMD is aiming to make it easier to implement across games than DLSS, which would make the tech more accessible and able to be implemented into a larger number of games.

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lmao, AMD annhilaited Nvidia this time around

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pogo_rabid posted...

lmao, AMD annhilaited Nvidia this time around

"Check out our worse card for $50 less and our overpriced card that's less overpriced then their overpriced card"

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DarkRoast posted...

"Check out our worse card for $50 less and our overpriced card that's less overpriced then their overpriced card"

I'll take the recommendation of independent reviewers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLZUDfT4iPs

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So it doesn't bother you in the slightest that they compared an overclocked 6800 XT versus a stock 3080? And even then, the results were about equal, and they didn't use Ray tracing?

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DarkRoast posted...

"Check out our worse card for $50 less and our overpriced card that's less overpriced then their overpriced card"

Your arguments never hold any water because it's clear how much you have a hate boner for certain things and you are just generally uninformed about things. You're wishy washy yet impulsive. You attack with misplaced rage. You complain about product prices that you would never purchase because you're not the intended audience, as you tend to by the higher/highest end. And you just don't know when to wait and gather info instead of complaining for the sake of complaining.

You're disappointed in product you had no real intention on buying? Good for you.

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Absolutely not, nvidia did the same thing with their claims for the FE card really only being matched by the AIB partner cards.

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Mr_Rian posted...

Your arguments never hold any water because it's clear how much you have a hate boner for certain things and you are just generally uninformed about things. You're wishy washy yet impulsive. You attack with misplaced rage. You complain about product prices that you would never purchase because you're not the intended audience, as you tend to by the higher/highest end. And you just don't know when to wait and gather info instead of complaining for the sake of complaining.

You're disappointed in product you had no real intention on buying? Good for you.

Hey man, not my problem that you don't see anything sketchy about comparing an overclocked card against a stock card, and not using any modern next-gen visual enhancements.

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DarkRoast posted...

So it doesn't bother you in the slightest that they compared an overclocked 6800 XT versus a stock 3080? And even then, the results were about equal, and they didn't use Ray tracing?

Not at all. So far RT is a gimmick that works on literally 15 games and the 6800xt had 16GB VRAM, double that of the 3080. You also clearly didn't watch the video.
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DarkRoast posted...

Hey man, not my problem that you don't see anything sketchy about comparing an overclocked card against a stock card, and not using any modern next-gen visual enhancements.

Like the overclocking nvidia has done before with FE cards they showed off?

The cards aren't out, we'll see what's what with reviews. And in those reviews they'll show ray tracing on and off with both cards.

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DarkRoast posted...

Hey man, not my problem that you don't see anything sketchy about comparing an overclocked card against a stock card, and not using any modern next-gen visual enhancements.

He's right though, you are often misinformed about PC hardware. Plus like he pointed out Nvidia does the same overclocking shit with their demos.
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voldothegr8 posted...

He's right though, you are often misinformed about PC hardware. Plus like he pointed out Nvidia does the same overclocking shit with their demos.

Except Nvidia wasn't comparing their cards against supposed AMD equivalents. It's disingenuous to compare your new card against your competitor's, but only overclock yours.

The fact is, if you're an average consumer and you buy a 6800 XT, it's not going to be equivalent to a 3080 at stock.

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I think you're overlooking the VRAM difference here. That was something Nvidia specifically cheaped out on and AMD haven't.

It's too early to tell which is gonna be the bigger issue in the long run. VRAM for the 3080 could also be an issue in the future.

Just wait and see benchmarks IMO.

I'm curious how Super Resolution pans out. Sounds like Xbox Series X and PS5 will use it as well. I doubt it will be as good as DLSS but being able to be used universally is a massive advantage to have. So if it does the job it might not matter.

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Darmik posted...

VRAM for the 3080 could also be an issue in the future.

It's already an issue, Doom Eternal requires 9GB to max textures.
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Hey cool, The Division 2 is still relevant

hint hint wink wink to everybody that looks at that chart

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DarkRoast posted...

Except Nvidia wasn't comparing their cards against supposed AMD equivalents.

But the nvidia fe card is overclocked. And AMD only mentions nvidia because they have the bigger market share. Mcdonald's never mentions Burger King, but Burger King takes shots at McDonald's. That's just how marketing works. You don't punch down. It's immaterial to this discussion, really.

DarkRoast posted...

The fact is, if you're an average consumer and you buy a 6800 XT, it's not going to be equivalent to a 3080 at stock.

Good thing you have the "facts" without touching either card, well before any independent reviews come out.

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it's gonna be real funny when the suckers who bought the 3080 are shit outta luck when games start needing 12 GB to max, buying a "high end" card that's not future proof at all

It's funny how "STINGY" nVIDIA is.

$__499 = RTX 3070 with _8 GB of RAM
$__699 = RTX 3080 with 10 GB of RAM
$1,499 = RTX 3090 with 24 GB of RAM

$__579 = RX 6800 __ with 16 GB of RAM
$__649 = RX 6800 XT with 16 GB of RAM
$__999 = RX 6900 XT with 16 GB of RAM

A measily $500 more will net you only 8 GB of VRAM

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It's GDDR6X though.

I don't know if I'd prefer faster or more. I'm leaning slightly towards more being better with the way things are going.

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Reis posted...

it's gonna be real funny when the suckers who bought the 3080 are shit outta luck when games start needing 12 GB to max, buying a "high end" card that's not future proof at all

Anyone buying either of the new cards in the hopes of future proofing is making a mistake anyway. Both AMD and NVidia are working with new architecture and these might as well be prototypes. The cards two years from now are going to make these look primitive

Axiom posted...

Anyone buying either of the new cards in the hopes of future proofing is making a mistake anyway. Both AMD and NVidia are working with new architecture and these might as well be prototypes. The cards two years from now are going to make these look primitive

i agree but nvidia's cards are far worse for it because their vram is pathetic and thats really a large thing many people are overlooking for some reason

Yeah 10 GB is pretty small which is why I'm holing out for the inevitable TI

Axiom posted...

Anyone buying either of the new cards in the hopes of future proofing is making a mistake anyway. Both AMD and NVidia are working with new architecture and these might as well be prototypes. The cards two years from now are going to make these look primitive

It always seems best to upgrade to a new GPU two years into a console generation tbh.

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Reis posted...

i agree but nvidia's cards are far worse for it because their vram is pathetic and thats really a large thing many people are overlooking for some reason

Not many people, just Nvidia shills.
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DarkRoast posted...

AMD be like: "Don't benchmark raytracing or let NVIDIA use DLSS"

All for a whopping $50 less MSRP

Not sure what your seeing here the performance looks almost identical.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX3W7Sx4l78


@ 4K, there is a 61.29% Performance drop by turning on RTX, you need DLSS just to eek past the 60 fps min frame rate standard


@ 1440p, you only lose ~35.948% Average FPS


@ 4K SotTR loses ~41.379% Average FPS by turning on RTX, and you need to turn on DLSS to get past the 60 average FPS min bar


@ 1440p, SotTR loses ~37.662% average FPS by turning on RTX


@ 4K, Control loses ~ 35.714% average FPS by turning on RTX, and you need to turn on DLSS to get past the 60 average FPS min bar


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All of which means that Nvidia performs much better in those games because of DLSS, essentially

voldothegr8 posted...

As things currently stand super Resolution is still under development, so it wont be available to game developers (or gamers) at the time of the RX 6000 series launch. But once it is, like AMDs other FidelityFX graphics libraries, it will be released as an open source project on GPUOpen, and AMD is explicitly noting that its being designed as a cross-platform solution. Game devs will also be happy to hear that AMD is aiming to make it easier to implement across games than DLSS, which would make the tech more accessible and able to be implemented into a larger number of games.

if there's any truth to this, wouldn't it mean AMD would see a huge number of games supporting their version over DLSS since AMD is the GPU supplier for the new consoles?


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monkmith posted...

if there's any truth to this, wouldn't it mean AMD would see a huge number of games supporting their version over DLSS since AMD is the GPU supplier for the new consoles?

You got it
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monkmith posted...

if there's any truth to this, wouldn't it mean AMD would see a huge number of games supporting their version over DLSS since AMD is the GPU supplier for the new consoles?

Nvidia will code in support for it themselves in their driver Software.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Nvidia will code in support for it themselves in their driver Software.

2 years later, when they realize their proprietary version isn't getting any love...

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