Current Events > Wayne County (Detroit area) fails to certify election results

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Antifar
11/17/20 8:05:31 PM
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wayne-county-deadlocks-on-election-results-certification/ar-BB1b6Bqa

The Wayne County Board of Canvassers on Tuesday failed to certify the county's Nov. 3 election results, splitting the vote to certify the results 2-2.

The vote was along party lines, with Monica Palmer, the board chairperson, and William Hartmann both Republicans voting against certification. Board Vice Chair Jonathan Kinloch and Allen Wilson, both Democrats, voted in favor of certification.

With Wayne County failing to certify the results, it must provide all election documentation to the Michigan Secretary of State office and state Board of Canvassers, according to Michigan election guidelines. Those entities will then have 10 days to certify the results.

Following the vote, board members argued about allowing politics to become a part of their vote.

Palmer said she did not have full confidence in how votes were calculated due to a high number of out of balance absentee ballot books and said all votes outside the city of Detroit where the majority of unbalanced books were found should be certified. Other board members disagreed.

"It's my hope that the state will take over and work with the clerks," Palmer said.

"I smell politics," another board member rebuked.

Tuesday's meeting which was held via Zoom for interested members of the public did not go off without issue. While it was scheduled to begin at 3 p.m., issues caused the meeting to be delayed by nearly two hours. The board also capped the online meeting at 100 attendees, meaning many people were unable to attend the public meeting. Capacity was then expanded to 300 people and quickly filled up once more.

Technical issues prior to the start of the recording of the meeting as well as during also provided delays and issues for those in virtual attendance.

Canvassers discussed a number of precincts that were out of balance, meaning the number of signatures of people who signed in to the polling location to vote was not the same as the number of people who actually voted at the respective location.

Michigan election law prohibits a precinct that is out of balance to be recounted.

Dialogue between a county elections worker and board members focused around how the unbalanced precincts weren't just in Detroit, but across the entire county. The worker told board members that due to the significant volume of absentee ballots, local election officials were stretched to the limit.

Tuesday was the deadline for counties in Michigan to certify their election results. In Wayne County, Democratic President-elect Joe Biden defeated President Donald Trump 587,074 to 264,149, according to unofficial election results provided by the county ahead of the meeting.

Wayne County has been considered a significant battleground in the Nov. 3 presidential race. A heavy vote gain for Biden through absentee ballots counted late on Election Day and into the following day allowed the presidential challenger to overtake Trump in the county and, eventually, the state.

The late surge drew the ire of Michigan Republicans as well as Trump. Trump on social media began questioning the legitimacy of some absentee ballots. Protesters outside the TCF Center in Detroit where ballots were being counted became disruptive and chanted "Let us in" and "Stop the count," according to people working at the center.

The Trump campaign has filed lawsuits to block the certification of election results in Michigan, but the state appeals court has repeatedly denied the campaign's bids to stop the certification of Detroit-area votes.

A Michigan judge on Friday refused to stop the certification of Detroit-area election results, rejecting claims by Trump's campaign that the city had committed fraud and tainted the count with its handling of absentee ballots.

Friday's ruling marked the third time a judge declined to intervene in a statewide count that shows Biden up by more than 140,000 votes.

The matter now goes to a state board that is similarly split 2-2

https://twitter.com/jonathanoosting/status/1328840160583299072
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Doom_Art
11/17/20 8:07:21 PM
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Um

Uh oh

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ScazarMeltex
11/17/20 8:08:58 PM
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So uh...what happens if the state board fails to certify?

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Phynaster
11/17/20 8:09:32 PM
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One of the Republicans said theyd be willing to certify areas that arent Detroit (wink wink)

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Antifar
11/17/20 8:10:34 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
So uh...what happens if the state board fails to certify?

Per the second link I posted
In the case of a 2-2 tie, legal experts say state courts would likely order the board to certify the Michigan election. In the unlikely event that doesnt happen, Democrats fear the Republican-led Legislature could be put in position to decide how the state awards its 16 presidential electors.

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Lost_All_Senses
11/17/20 8:11:10 PM
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And it begins...

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21WIVES_CHILL
11/17/20 8:11:13 PM
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I dont see how this affects the election.
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CADE FOSTER
11/17/20 8:11:26 PM
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So the coup begins
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Medussa
11/17/20 8:11:41 PM
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are they really so deluded that they think america will just shrug at their shenanigans and allow a coup? there is no way this ends well for them.

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Antifar
11/17/20 8:12:49 PM
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Medussa posted...
are they really so deluded that they think america will just shrug at their shenanigans and allow a coup?

They are so deluded they think America will cheer for it.

https://twitter.com/DelWilber/status/1328861047638384640
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Medussa
11/17/20 8:15:06 PM
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like, all 330 million of us are fucking obligated to literally bury everyone involved. you are willing to put your life on the line to stop Joe fucking Biden for 4 years?

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kirbymuncher
11/17/20 8:15:46 PM
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Antifar posted...
Canvassers discussed a number of precincts that were out of balance, meaning the number of signatures of people who signed in to the polling location to vote was not the same as the number of people who actually voted at the respective location.

Michigan election law prohibits a precinct that is out of balance to be recounted.


maybe I;m misinterpreting the meaning of this but why is there a law specifically preventing going over votes again when you know them to be incorrect in some fashion?

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Kami_no_Kami
11/17/20 8:20:26 PM
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Michigan overdosing on copium.

smfh
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Irony
11/17/20 8:20:40 PM
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What's up with even number boards

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Tyranthraxus
11/17/20 8:22:21 PM
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The governor (republican) said if it makes it to him, he will give the votes to Biden. Don't put too much into this reading.

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CADE FOSTER
11/17/20 8:22:52 PM
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I dont trust republicans so
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ScazarMeltex
11/17/20 8:24:01 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The governor (republican) said if it makes it to him, he will give the votes to Biden. Don't put too much into this reading.
Clearly Republicans can be trusted to the moral and ethical thing, especially when they've give their word that they would do so.

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ThunderTrain
11/17/20 8:24:36 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The governor (republican) said if it makes it to him, he will give the votes to Biden. Don't put too much into this reading.

Uhhh Michigans governor is a democrat and a woman...

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Tyranthraxus
11/17/20 8:25:32 PM
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I must be thinking of someone else that is not the governor then

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Poop2
11/17/20 8:25:51 PM
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To any racist republican traitors

your orange god lost
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CADE FOSTER
11/17/20 8:26:16 PM
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Hope it gets to the gov then Trumps people tried to kidnap her hope she sticks it to them
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Antifar
11/17/20 8:27:10 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The governor (republican) said if it makes it to him, he will give the votes to Biden. Don't put too much into this reading.

The governor of Michigan is a Democrat
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fuming
11/17/20 8:27:11 PM
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Medussa posted...
are they really so deluded that they think america will just shrug at their shenanigans and allow a coup? there is no way this ends well for them.

Lol you actually believe Americans would do something besides call Trump a cheeto or whatever. The same people who love "unity" and hate how divisive protests are and want to endlessly increase funding for troops and police because of their mental cowardice are going to fight? The delusional one is you buddy.
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Strider102
11/17/20 8:27:25 PM
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Welp

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Irony
11/17/20 8:50:53 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The governor (republican) said if it makes it to him, he will give the votes to Biden. Don't put too much into this reading.
This post is confusing

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Anteaterking
11/17/20 9:49:46 PM
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K181
11/17/20 9:56:04 PM
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Antifar posted...
The governor of Michigan is a Democrat

And a woman.

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CADE FOSTER
11/17/20 10:00:59 PM
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Medussa
11/17/20 10:03:11 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
so Biden still won good fucking rats

if i'm reading this right, the discrepancy was somewhere between a small handful and a couple hundred votes. which happens. all the time. including in 2016, which this same board was fine with.

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CADE FOSTER
11/17/20 10:04:13 PM
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Yeah but hillary wasnt fucking screaming rigged election and trying to stage a coup
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Middle hope
11/17/20 10:11:18 PM
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Doom_Art
11/17/20 10:13:40 PM
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Middle hope posted...
Blumpfh when?
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soulunison2
11/17/20 10:17:05 PM
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they got certified btw
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CADE FOSTER
11/17/20 10:18:17 PM
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Good fuck republicans and trump
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Antifar
11/19/20 7:33:18 AM
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Turbam
11/19/20 7:40:54 AM
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Trump has a chance!
MAGA!!!!

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Machete
11/19/20 7:43:00 AM
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Middle hope posted...
Blumpfh when?

Can someone translate this?
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Antifar
11/19/20 9:52:36 AM
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CableZL
11/19/20 9:54:37 AM
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CableZL
11/19/20 9:56:45 AM
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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/19/gop-canvassers-attempt-rescind-votes-certify-wayne-county-vote/3775246001/

State law sets a deadline of 14 days for every county to certify its election votes.
Board Vice Chairman Jonathan Kinloch, a Democrat, said the affidavits have no meaning, given that the deadline for certifying results in Wayne County has passed. Further, he said, all members of the board approved a motion to waive additional consideration after the certification vote, cementing their decisions.

So apparently it doesn't matter that they want to rescind... Hopefully that's the case.

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Ruvan22
11/19/20 11:41:57 AM
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CableZL posted...
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/19/gop-canvassers-attempt-rescind-votes-certify-wayne-county-vote/3775246001/

State law sets a deadline of 14 days for every county to certify its election votes.
Board Vice Chairman Jonathan Kinloch, a Democrat, said the affidavits have no meaning, given that the deadline for certifying results in Wayne County has passed. Further, he said, all members of the board approved a motion to waive additional consideration after the certification vote, cementing their decisions.

So apparently it doesn't matter that they want to rescind... Hopefully that's the case.
Sadly it shouldn't matter legally but will play great on his base and Fox
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Antifar
11/19/20 12:52:58 PM
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FursonaNonGrata
11/19/20 12:55:40 PM
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Possibly...not good

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Irony
11/19/20 1:03:46 PM
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Antifar posted...
https://twitter.com/AmyEGardner/status/1329468989983125505
This won't really change anything

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SauI_Goodman
11/19/20 1:09:10 PM
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Im the worst case scenario biden loses 16 points and still wins.

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Medussa
11/19/20 1:10:32 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
Im the worst case scenario biden loses 16 points and still wins.

the worst case scenario is that Biden loses 16 points and we go to war over the attempted coup

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Solar_Crimson
11/19/20 1:11:44 PM
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Antifar posted...
https://twitter.com/JoshuaADouglas/status/1329429436056342531
Unbelievable.

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UnfairRepresent
11/19/20 1:12:29 PM
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soulunison2 posted...
they got certified btw
this

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Tmaster148
11/19/20 1:14:31 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
Im the worst case scenario biden loses 16 points and still wins.

This isn't about whether or not Biden still wins if Michigan flips this way. It's about the fact that a precedent gets set that states can choose to ignore what their voters voted for by failing to certify the results and pick themselves.

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