Current Events > WTF? "MyPillow Guy" helped bail out WI Shooter Kyle Rittenhouse

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https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/11/21/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-in-kenosha-protest-shootings-posts-2-million-bail/

"A 17-year-old from Illinois who is charged with killing two people during a protest in Wisconsin and whose case has become a rallying cry for some conservatives posted $2 million bail Friday and was released from custody.
Kyle Rittenhouse is accused of fatally shooting Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber and wounding Gaige Grosskreutz during a demonstration Aug. 25 that followed the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha. He posted bond through his attorney at about 2 p.m., Kenosha County Sheriffs Sgt. David Wright said.

Attorney Lin Wood, on Twitter, claimed that among the people who paid into a fund to bail Rittenhouse out was MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell. Wood was already in the news earlier Friday after a failed election affidavit filed in defense of President Donald Trump reportedly confused the postal code for Michigan with that of Minnesota.
Rittenhouse faces multiple charges, including intentional homicide, reckless endangerment and being a minor in possession of a firearm. Wisconsin law doesnt permit minors to carry or possess a gun unless theyre hunting. He is due back in court on Dec. 3 for a preliminary hearing."

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We gotta end cash bail in this country.

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The MyPillow guy has long been a far right trump supporter

brestugo posted...

We gotta end cash bail in this country.

CA tried and failed :(

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Why are other people allowed to pay your bail?

Isn't it just holding your money so you don't run? What incentive does this murderer have to not run? It's not his money

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Phynaster posted...

The MyPillow guy has long been a far right trump supporter

CA tried and failed :(

I know. I voted to end it, but we all know the result. Money shouldn't "trump" one's threat to the community...

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brestugo posted...

We gotta end cash bail in this country.

We do, though I get the impression that you want it ended so that more people can be kept locked up before they are convicted of a crime rather than less and that's fucked up.

Oh, now this board doesnt want bail

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Mark_DeRosa posted...

Oh, now this board wants bail

Did you misread the topic?

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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/526670-ben-carson-says-he-used-unproven-covid-19-treatment-recommended-by-mypillow-ceo
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Tenlaar posted...

We do, though I get the impression that you want it ended so that more people can be kept locked up before they are convicted of a crime rather than less and that's fucked up.

No completely misjudged. A court should decide on the defendants threat to society. A guy in CA was locked up for 9 months for a $5 crime. I also have a friend who was locked up for nearly a year for a crime everyone knew she didn't commit (ran with the wrong crowd) but couldn't make bail for.

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Im still convinced that Kyle acted in complete self defense. The loss of life over the guy with the skateboard is regrettable but it was still self defense from Kyles perspective. And Ill shed no tears for the convicted pedophile who was trying to light a dumpster on fire to use as a battering ram when he decided hed like Kyles gun more instead. That guy was a psychopath and probably would have been a mass shooter if he got Kyles gun.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Im still convinced that Kyle acted in complete self defense. The loss of life over the guy with the skateboard is regrettable but it was still self defense from Kyles perspective. And Ill shed no tears for the convicted pedophile who was trying to light a dumpster on fire to use as a battering ram when he decided hed like Kyles gun more instead. That guy was a psychopath and probably would have been a mass shooter if he got Kyles gun.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/11/rittenhouse-victims-records/

shut the god damn fuck up with this fascist bullshit

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BeyondWalls posted...

Im still convinced that Kyle acted in complete self defense.

Well yeah, you have stupid opinions.

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brestugo posted...

No completely misjudged.

This thread seems to be about you thinking that Rittenhouse should be locked up before he is convicted but I don't think that there is any reasonable expectation that he would go out and kill more people or have the means and capability to flee beyond the reach of US authorities, so from my perspective this thread just seems like you calling for an end to bail because you are unhappy about somebody who should be released until trial being released.

Phynaster posted...

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/11/rittenhouse-victims-records/

shut the god damn fuck up with this fascist bullshit

Uh... everything in that link is 100% on point with what I said.

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Tenlaar posted...

This thread seems to be about you thinking that Rittenhouse should be locked up before he is convicted but I don't think that there is any reasonable expectation that he would go out and kill more people or have the means and capability to flee beyond the reach of US authorities, so from my perspective this thread just seems like you calling for an end to bail because you are unhappy about somebody who should be released until trial being released.

He's killed already. He's violent. That's the threat. I don't live in WI, but a killer should not be released because they made bail, while non-violent offenders who can't make bail remain incarcerated. YMMV.

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Tenlaar posted...

This thread seems to be about you thinking that Rittenhouse should be locked up before he is convicted but I don't think that there is any reasonable expectation that he would go out and kill more people or have the means and capability to flee beyond the reach of US authorities, so from my perspective this thread just seems like you calling for an end to bail because you are unhappy about somebody who should be released until trial being released.

Is this your life on a Saturday morning? Defending fascist murderers on gamefaqs?

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Alt right hero My Pillow Guy

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Turbam posted...

Alt right hero My Pillow Guy

Not a good look for the guy. Plus the pillows suck ass. Got a pair 2 or three years ago and they wound up in the closet after 2 months.

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I've known that the MyPillow guy is a piece of shit for some time. It's why I've never liked his ads.

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brestugo posted...

He's killed already. He's violent. That's the threat. I don't live in WI, but a killer should not be released because they made bail, while non-violent offenders who can't make bail remain incarcerated. YMMV.

He's not going to trial because he's accused of being a serial killer, spree killer, domestic terrorist, or anything like that where there is a reasonable expectation of him going out and seeking more victims. I don't think that non-violent offenders who can't make bail should remain incarcerated either, that should be pretty damned obvious here.

Phynaster posted...

Is this your life on a Saturday morning? Defending fascist murderers on gamefaqs?

I'm not defending him, I'm defending the belief that pre-trial detention should be used as sparingly as possible and only when deemed absolutely necessary. It should be so rare that it's a news story when it's deemed necessary to hold somebody until trial. That has nothing to do with Rittenhouse himself, he should be convicted.

How does he even sleep at night?

With a MyPillow, that's how! >_>

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brestugo posted...

He's killed already. He's violent. That's the threat.

Thats utterly ridiculous.

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Phynaster posted...

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/11/rittenhouse-victims-records/

shut the god damn fuck up with this fascist bullshit

Not that their records matter, but I read the article. And it does says he was convicted of doing things to a minor and the other guy had a felony domestic.... so his post would be right

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Yall if cash bail was removed he wouldnt have been held in prison...sooo...

MyPillow guy is the Forrest Gump of the last four years. He turns up in everything awful.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

Yall if cash bail was removed he wouldnt have been held in prison...sooo...

Removing cash bail means a court decides who is out and who is held in jail. Not everyone is out. So yes, he would have been.

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Phynaster posted...

Removing cash bail means a court decides who is out and who is held in jail. Not everyone is out. So yes, he would have been.

Correct. And hes a minor with no known criminal activity. They would have released him.

good for him.

Pretty sure WI gun laws say that if a gun is illegally obtained/operated (Which is was because he was a minor), it nullifies any protections based on self-defense.

Basically, Chekov's Gun in practice: The only reason for him to have a gun was because he knew he was going to shoot it. This is different from, say, wrestling a gun out of an assailants hand and using it against them.

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ZMythos posted...

Pretty sure WI gun laws say that if a gun is illegally obtained/operated (Which is was because he was a minor), it nullifies any protections based on self-defense.

Correct. Which is why "he was acting in self-defense" is literally laughable.

Phynaster posted...

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/11/rittenhouse-victims-records/

shut the god damn fuck up with this fascist bullshit

u wot

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CruelBuffalo posted...

Correct. And hes a minor with no known criminal activity. They would have released him.

1. Illegal possession of a firearm
2. 2 counts of murder

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ZMythos posted...

Pretty sure WI gun laws say that if a gun is illegally obtained/operated (Which is was because he was a minor), it nullifies any protections based on self-defense.

Well its true that WI law says that you dont get to claim self defense if youre in the process of committing a crime. But the spirit of that law is that people like bank robbers cant claim self defense for shooting back at security guards, because it was a situation that the robber himself created. Arguably, Kyle didnt create this situation. He was in the middle of a riot where rioters were trying to fire bomb a police barricade. Think of it this way, if during a riot a man tries to rob/assault a convicted felon who was carrying a gun then does the convicted felon still have the right to defend himself? I dont know. Morally, Id say yes.

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those pillows suck, btw

Phynaster posted...

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/11/rittenhouse-victims-records/

shut the god damn fuck up with this fascist bullshit

from that article:

For example, yes, Rosenbaum was found guilty of engaging in sexual conduct with a minor in Arizonas Pima County in March 2002

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He obviously doesnt care about the law or peoples lives or he wouldnt have gone to a protest with a gun.

and do people defending him think hell end up less radicalized after this or something? Hell have the people who bailed him out and alt righters all over him now

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brestugo posted...

1. Illegal possession of a firearm
2. 2 counts of murder

So any minor accused of murder should not be out on bail? Im assuming rape would go in here as well, so the Central Park 5 should not have been out on bail?

CruelBuffalo posted...

So any minor accused of murder should not be out on bail? Im assuming rape would go in here as well, so the Central Park 5 should not have been out on bail?

I'm fine with that.

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thronedfire2 posted...

He obviously doesnt care about the law or peoples lives or he wouldnt have gone to a protest with a gun.

and do people defending him think hell end up less radicalized after this or something? Hell have the people who bailed him out and alt righters all over him now

He's going to be another Zimmerman. Calling it now.

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brestugo posted...

I'm fine with that.

I am not fine with little black and brown boys being locked up while awaiting charges but thats me

Mark_DeRosa posted...

Oh, now this board doesnt want mypillow

ftfy

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Anyone I don't like is a fascist and/or racist. That way, I'm always right.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Arguably, Kyle didnt create this situation

I know I'm only picking one piece of your quote here, but it's the qualifier to your argument.

He clearly did create this situation. He crossed state lines and acquired an illegal firearm to "defend" a business that was not his from a riot he had no stake in until he inserted himself into it.

Can I claim self defense if I assault a security guard who confronted me on property that I was knowingly trespassing on?

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Doesnt he have a cocaine problem?or did in the past.

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Well, he is a crackhead.

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And don't get me wrong. I was very reactionary about Rittenhouse at first and I was quick to call him a plethora of pejoratives and labels. And maybe some of those still fit his description.

But I'm also capable of empathy. This kid's gonna get the book thrown at him. He's gonna be charged as an adult for murder and likely/rightfully convicted. His life is pretty much over at that point. And that's a shame. He never should have been there and he never should have shot anybody.

I'm more appalled at the response on the right to enable this kind of behavior in minors. How many confused teenagers are going to see this as an opportunity for themselves? Kid their age got $2 million dollars and shot 3 people? Yea, that's certainly not incentive to mimic his actions /s. These people are just as dangerous and are encouraging antisocial behaviors and actions in an entire generation.

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ZMythos posted...

And don't get me wrong. I was very reactionary about Rittenhouse at first and I was quick to call him a plethora of pejoratives and labels. And maybe some of those still fit his description.

But I'm also capable of empathy. This kid's gonna get the book thrown at him. He's gonna be charged as an adult for murder and likely/rightfully convicted. His life is pretty much over at that point. And that's a shame. He never should have been there and he never should have shot anybody.

I'm more appalled at the response on the right to enable this kind of behavior in minors. How many confused teenagers are going to see this as an opportunity for themselves? Kid their age got $2 million dollars and shot 3 people? Yea, that's certainly not incentive to mimic his actions /s. These people are just as dangerous and are encouraging antisocial behaviors and actions in an entire generation.

I agree with the bulk of this. I'm just astonished someone can shoot three people and just because $2million is raised, he's out. People of all colors are in jail for months for petty crimes because they can't make bail.

I don't believe it matters in this discussion but I am a liberal, black male. Having said that, the threat to society should be paramount (IMO) in deciding whether someone gets out, not ability to make bail. If you are accused of murder or rape, you're a threat until & unless exculpatory evidence comes to light.

This kid, I'm sorry to say is going to be a menace to society, probably worse than Zimmerman.

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Yeah, we were expecting this. If I was the murderer I'd flee, thanks for the 2 mil. But knowing these people they probably think not only the law but also justice is on their side. We have to understand the twisted thought processes under which they operate.

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