Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 349: Rudy Can't Fail

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/jstein_wapo/status/1336478192916459522?s=21

Not even pretending they want to pass something

lol wow.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

You guys are sort of unbiased.

Can you please explain wtf is this Texas lawsuit?

Texas AG is trying to claim that the swing states Biden won unconstitutionally changed how you can vote, and thus it also "devalues" Texas's electoral votes. The most glaring problem with it is individual lawsuits in the swing states themselves have not found the changes to be unconstitutional, so it's a complete non-starter.

The popular thought is that the AG, who is being investigated on certain crimes, is trying to stroke Trump's ego and get a pardon.

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States changing their own voting rules isn't unconstitutional. You don't need to be a constitutional lawyer to know this.

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PostContestUlti posted...

States changing their own voting rules isn't unconstitutional. You don't need to be a constitutional lawyer to know this.

They can't say that the method of determining electors is the popular vote in the state, hold the election, and then say "haha just kidding, we're actually gonna choose some other way." If they wanted to use another method they needed to make that change before the election.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

They can't say that the method of determining electors is the popular vote in the state, hold the election, and then say "haha just kidding, we're actually gonna choose some other way." If they wanted to use another method they needed to make that change before the election.

Ulti is right, and that's why Texas will lose this case. They have no case that the election process the other states adopted before the election is unconstitutional.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

They can't say that the method of determining electors is the popular vote in the state, hold the election, and then say "haha just kidding, we're actually gonna choose some other way." If they wanted to use another method they needed to make that change before the election.

I think he's agreeing with us about the lawsuit being a non-starter, not suggesting they can change how electors are chosen after the fact.

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Ah, my bad then.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

They can't say that the method of determining electors is the popular vote in the state, hold the election, and then say "haha just kidding, we're actually gonna choose some other way." If they wanted to use another method they needed to make that change before the election.

I'm not defending Texas here, you dope. What they're alleging is ludicrous. States change election methodology all the time, which is why our elections are so screwed up in the first place.

I'm a Trump guy but this whole saga has really soured me on the right. It's like Trump, bro, take your loss like a man and shut the fuck up.

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If only your party didn't live in an alternate reality carefully crafted for them over the last 40+ years. There will be lots of violence before this is all over. But I'm glad you're one of the 25% who actually acknowledges reality. I've been saying this forever, but right-wing media has been horrible for actual traditional conservatives too. Now your party is nothing more than a cult.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/12/06/how-do-you-deradicalize-the-republican-party/

Anywho that's a great article. But I honestly think it's too late. There is no deradicalization coming after this many decades of brainwashing. We can only look to future generations.

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StartTheMachine posted...

There will be lots of violence before this is all over.

Nah. Would have already happened.

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Your people still believe Trump will win.

Trust me, a significant portion of my family does. I hope you're right, but this won't end well.

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StartTheMachine posted...

Your people still believe Trump will win.

Trust me, a significant portion of my family does. I hope you're right, but this won't end well.

Sky is falling. Fearmonger with me. Ahhhh. Yadda yadda.

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300000 people will be dead before this is all over

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Dude Trump folks have literally been swarming around Brian Kemp's home armed to the teeth to "stop the steal."

But yeah they're just doing that for show lol

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Oh hey it's foolmo, the guy who said no way 35 million people wouldn't believe that Trump lost when it's looking closer to 50 to 60 million by all accounts

such foresight, such wisdom

also there will be way more than 300,000 Covid deaths

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There exists no Trumper with the balls to actually act on their rhetoric. All they can do is encourage cops to do the violence for them. And maybe hope for some incel kid to finally snap and go on a rampage.

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StartTheMachine posted...

Oh hey it's foolmo, the guy who said no way 35 million people wouldn't believe that Trump lost when it's looking closer to 50 to 60 million by all accounts

such foresight, such wisdom

also there will be way more than 300,000 Covid deaths

You're so dumb holy shit, this is not a hard concept

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The Poway synagogue shooter didn't "have the balls to actually act on his rhetoric," he believed he was fighting to save his family. I suggest you listen to the interviews with him.

It's not about having the balls to commit violence. It's about actually believing that the country and democracy are being stolen right in front of you and no one is doing anything about it. So you have to step up.

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foolm0r0n posted...

You're so dumb holy shit, this is not a hard concept

Yes magically when Trump doesn't win they will come back to reality

foolm0r0n posted...

You're so dumb holy shit

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/jstein_wapo/status/1336478192916459522?s=21

Not even pretending they want to pass something

Trump previously offered 1.9 trillion, more than double this "bipartisan" proposal. And neither Trump nor Mitch have agreed to this "bipartisan" proposal. Democrats made their choice when they rejected Trump's offer, and now they've got to reap the consequences.

Unfortunately, all of us are going to reap the consequences along with them.

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Pelosi was sure as shit playing politics with the stimulus offers. Though the offers were all terrible, we shouldn't be where we are.

Well anyway sorry for being an ass, I've just been right about everything in U.S. politics since calling that Trump would win in 2016 while everyone I told that to (here in Tennessee) laughed at me. So far still right about how many people believe Trump's lies that the election was fraudulent. When you have that many crazies, the end result won't be pretty.

When I start being wrong I'll stop being so sure of my pessimism

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StartTheMachine posted...

Dude Trump folks have literally been swarming around Brian Kemp's home armed to the teeth to "stop the steal."

But yeah they're just doing that for show lol

BLM literally swarmed the home of the Pittsburgh Mayor. Democrats literally swarmed the home of McConnell.

What exactly is your point here, dude?

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Both of those groups swarmed those homes for reasons based in reality. And were they all carrying assault rifles?

Actual question because I don't know, but I doubt it.

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Corrik7 posted...

BLM literally swarmed the home of the Pittsburgh Mayor. Democrats literally swarmed the home of McConnell.

uh there's definitely violent people among BLM members and democrats.

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StartTheMachine posted...

Both of those groups swarmed those homes for reasons based in reality. And were they all carrying assault rifles?

Actual question because I don't know, but I doubt it.

Doesn't matter what they were carrying if they were legally doing so.

McConnell's house had to have 24/7 police protection due to the threats.

The problem here is you are picking and choosing what is based in reality.

BLM swarmed the Pittsburgh Mayor's house despite the fact he has always been strongly in their favor on the cause.

McConnell's house was swarmed for moving forward on confirming a judge which is how the government is supposed to work.

You can't attribute sane causes to your biases.

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Both of those are wrong. But the reasons for doing those things are based im reality.

Armed Trump supporters swarming Brian Kemp's house for certifying the election results are not based in reality. They're based on a lie that the election was fraudulent.

Cult members have a much higher propensity for violence.

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StartTheMachine posted...

Both of those are wrong. But the reasons for doing those things are based im reality.

Armed Trump supporters swarming Brian Kemp's house for certifying the election results are not based in reality. They're based on a lie that the election was fraudulent.

Cult members have a much higher propensity for violence.

Again. You are drawing a line at your biases.

BLM swarming his house was based on the lie that he was against their cause.

McConnell's house being swarmed was based on the lie that he shouldn't be doing that despite it being in the constitution to do.

You are picking and choosing.

You can't pick and choose, my man. Condemn it all without qualifiers or accept the shit happens. I think all three of the events we are discussing were ridiculous and also scary for the person involved.

I don't sit here and handwave one one side does it then act incredulous when the other side does. Just like I don't not scoff at Republican's accusing Biden of earpieces when I scoff at Democrat's accusing Loeffler of it. Consistency. The problem with politics is the hypocrisy across the board. It's mind numbing.

And, stop calling Republicans cult members. You literally expose your bias right there.

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A large chunk of Republicans are Trump cultists.

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Corrik7 posted...

And, stop calling Republicans cult members. You literally expose your bias right there.

Because you know

StartTheMachine posted...

people holding "Save America" signs in the crowd, during the middle of the biggest pandemic the world has ever experienced, while supporting a con man they believe won but who in reality is trying to destroy democracy just to hold on to power

are totally not in a cult


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A large portion of your statement, start, is anecdotal and another portion is all your personal opinion. It's why I keep saying your bias reeks all over what you say.

It's like me saying white people chanting "Black Lives Matter" in a crowd of people, during the biggest pandemic the world has every experienced, while supporting a prejudiced cause that attributes economic disparity issues to skin color while in reality causing Black people to die from Covid-19 just to virtue signal.

Like, you see how dumb you would take my statement? That's basically your statement flipped for bias on the other end of the spectrum. Chill with all the sweeping generalizations from your bias and stop being hypocritical, bud.

And, red, yes. I do agree on the on a technical definition of it. There is a massive amount of misplaced idolatry imo. I can understand idolizing your president though. So, I am not going to act like there couldn't be reason for it. I am not going to call them "cultists" anymore then I would really call people cultists over George Floyd either though.

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Corrik7 posted...

It's like me saying white people chanting "Black Lives Matter" in a crowd of people, during the biggest pandemic the world has every experienced, while supporting a prejudiced cause that attributes economic disparity issues to skin color while in reality causing Black people to die from Covid-19 just to virtue signal.

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read

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StartTheMachine posted...

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read

Corrik7 posted...

Like, you see how dumb you would take my statement? That's basically your statement flipped for bias on the other end of the spectrum. Chill with all the sweeping generalizations from your bias and stop being hypocritical, bud.

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*as a comparison based in context of what you said

Guess I should have made that clear and not assumed you could figure that out

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I should have just removed the part about the pandemic in that post because that is not the fucking point, that's just the extra layer of Idiocracy

The point is fighting against the thing they believe they are fighting for. No matter how much you try to twist my post using BLM, the motivations are not comparable

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StartTheMachine posted...

*as a comparison based in context of what you said

Guess I should have made that clear and not assumed you could figure that out

I think you are lacking the context. I am stating how a person on the far right would make a completely outlandish statement based on their opinions to follow it up with "Totally not a cult!". The point was to be outlandish with personal bias. To show you that your take is pretty outlandish also in your bias. I mean, you didn't get it and somehow think people don't get you so whatever. Not going to waste my time on it really, but you are handwaving the left at every turn or downplaying while using very strong imagery in your wording regarding the right. Seems like bias and hypocrisy is all over your comments.

But, if you haven't agreed by now, you simply are not going to. So, nothing I or anyone can say will change your mind regarding it so no point to harp on it. Just saying, this echo chamber will take you seriously cuz you are echoing their thoughts, but you wouldn't get much play outside of people who didn't just hard agree already in the first place.

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I completely get the argument you are trying to make and it's honestly not a bad one, but here's the thing: The fact that somebody else would call my statement, being based in objective reality, a cult statement is the very exact reason they are actually in a cult. Think about it.

Anyway, I wish you a goodnight.

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Corrik7 posted...

McConnell's house being swarmed was based on the lie that he shouldn't be doing that despite it being in the constitution to do.

that's not a lie, that's an opinion. the protesters were saying that mcconnell shouldn't ram through a supreme court nomination because

• it would be hypocritical
• it wouldn't honor ginsburg's wishes
• the voters should have a say in the nomination

like, if i say "you should break up with your fiancee," i'm not "lying." giving an opinion on how a person should act has nothing to do with objectively telling the truth or lying. it's not at all comparable to "trump lost because of voter fraud," which is an actual lie.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

that's not a lie, that's an opinion. the protesters were saying that mcconnell shouldn't ram through a supreme court nomination because

* it would be hypocritical
* it wouldn't honor ginsburg's wishes
* the voters should have a say in the nomination

like, if i say "you should break up with your fiancee," i'm not "lying." giving an opinion on how a person should act has nothing to do with objectively telling the truth or lying. it's not at all comparable to "trump lost because of voter fraud," which is an actual lie.

Their opinion is that they are stealing the vote. Neither stance is based on objectively being correct. And, in both cases, the person was doing what would be expected of their position.

There is nowhere that says you should do what a dead justice wished. Nowhere that says you should let voters have a choice in the nomination, besides the choice regarding those who are in term now because of that choice.

He was hypocritical. But, I don't think we swarm houses and have death threats normally when people are hypocrites.

He started about the process of confirming or denying a new justice as he was supposed to. Just as Kemp certified the results as he was supposed to.

Of course the protesters are there on their opinions. Doesn't change protesters were wrong on their thoughts on the legitimacy of what the two did.

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Corrik7 posted...

BLM swarmed the Pittsburgh Mayor's house despite the fact he has always been strongly in their favor on the cause.

I want to push back on this statement because Peduto has actively not been on the side of BLM. He'll go to a podium and say, oh we need to do right by our neighbors (: and then turn around and work for policies that fuck over the black neighborhoods.

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https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1336349687167717379?s=21

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

It never fucking ends.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-black-ohio-man-shot-sheriff-s-deputy-demand-investigation-n1250212

Abolish the police.

This one is real bad. Even the police version isnt justified. Their version is just that he waved a gun out of his car so some time later a police officer confronted him. Officer demanded he put down the legally owned gun. The man, who was not holding the gun at the time, refused and continued to go into his home at which point the officer shot him in the back.

There was no active threat. No violent crime. The man was not trying to run and could have easily been arrested later if they had cause. The officer isnt even claiming to have attempted to arrest him.

And then the police didnt protect the crime scene, interview witnesses, or call the independent state investigators like protocol said. Those investigators now wont take the case because they werent notified for 3 days at which point it was to late to start a proper investigation due to the crime scene being ruined and witnesses dispersing.

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https://twitter.com/azgop/status/1336186861891452929?s=21

Totally not a cult
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As a follow up, no, I am not willing to die for Joe Biden
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Jakyl25 posted...

As a follow up, no, I am not willing to die for Joe Biden

He did say that he is the Democratic Party. Much like how Chancellor Palpatine is the Senate.

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I'm dang sure not willing to die for the Democratic Party, either

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StartTheMachine posted...

If only your party didn't live in an alternate reality carefully crafted for them over the last 40+ years. There will be lots of violence before this is all over. But I'm glad you're one of the 25% who actually acknowledges reality. I've been saying this forever, but right-wing media has been horrible for actual traditional conservatives too. Now your party is nothing more than a cult.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/12/06/how-do-you-deradicalize-the-republican-party/

Anywho that's a great article. But I honestly think it's too late. There is no deradicalization coming after this many decades of brainwashing. We can only look to future generations.

That WAS a good read.

It's also not going to happen.

I can't see Biden using Federal resources to go after Trump, so any prosecution is only going to come from the states. To make it worse, I can almost guarantee that Trump will "poison pill" get them to hire a Special Counsel to investigate Hunter Biden just before he leaves office.

As for the "sense of purpose", you know what could do that? The Green New Deal; rebuilding America to deal with inevitable climate change. But I don't think Biden has the chops to be able to sell that to the 50% of America that already scoffs at that idea.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

https://twitter.com/UncleGulag/status/1336531504869076993?s=20

Are people who say this trash also cultists or that just Trump people?

Thats a cult leader, not a cultist!
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