Poll of the Day > 83% of Republicans don't believe Joe Biden won the 2020 election, new poll says

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Unbridled9 posted...

Are you NUTS? These aren't even things in dispute. They happened. We have the vote totals. We watched them unfold in real time with the charts to track. About the only thing that 'didn't happen' was the sexual scandal that Cavanaugh was accused of.

But you know what? I don't care anymore. I used to think that the democrats were simply misguided. Good people at heart lead by corrupt politicians. I no longer care. I've seen so much hypocrisy, idiocy, ignorance, and hatred from the left that I no longer care. As far as I'm concerned, from now on, all democrats are lying hypocrites who aren't to be trusted. Congrats. You've won. Just not the fight you were hoping to win.

I will never support another democrat again. This is coming from someone who voted for Obama and was rooting for Bernie in 2016. The Republican party is ineffective and I will never take them seriously, but I cannot accept a democrat as anything other than a lying, corrupt, hypocrite now. Congrats. You did something not even Nancy Pelosi and her hair salon stunt managed and convinced me the entire party was corrupt beyond redemption. I don't like Trump, he's a boorish olf who rides on a populist message and is wildly chaotic at best, but every metric and sign and everything I could see pointed to his victory and every account of fraud that's emerged afterwards has reinforced the notion that he should have won and Biden cheated. I would have thought Democrats cared enough about democracy to at least bother with investigation and condemnation of those who cheated, but clearly all they care about is winning at any cost even if that cost is democracy itself.

Politics really has the ability to bring out the worst in people. Funny thing is, by the time March hits, most of this won't be as big a deal to many people. They'll be too busy living their lives and realize again that not much changes despite whatever President we have in office at the time.

Unbridled9 posted...

These aren't even things in dispute.

they aren't

because they didn't happen.

poll watchers were always let inside, we have proof of that from...the poll watchers. unless you're talking about the mob of protestors in PA or GA that weren't allowed in to watch the counts. it's because they were protestors, not official watchers.

biden did not get 99% of votes while trump got none when the polls were closed. it was an error from a third party company who outright said that they fucked up and then later fixed it.

no, no one pulled out boxes of votes after poll watchers went home, because that's not at all how that fuckin works. they're not just going to leave counters unattended. not the watchers, especially not the lawyers, nor do they use tables where you can hide things under.

you would think that, if any of these were true, would actually be used as evidence in court instead of them never using any evidence at all. why, exactly, do you think that they aren't using these things as evidence, evidence that you literally just claimed to see all of?

spoilers: because they didn't happen.

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likehelly posted...

you would think that, if any of these were true, would actually be used as evidence in court instead of them never using any evidence at all. why, exactly, do you think that they aren't using these things as evidence, evidence that you literally just claimed to see all of?

spoilers: because they didn't happen.

Excuse me helly, if they did submit them, that would mean they're for the public record and anyone can view them.
That would go against the.. uh... good public relation of having a bunch of people screaming.

Unbridled9 posted...

don't like Trump, he's a boorish olf who rides on a populist message and is wildly chaotic at best, but every metric and sign and everything I could see pointed to his victory

the only place that had trump winning was OANN.

which is, uh, pro-trump propaganda. even fox news had trump losing.

Unbridled9 posted...

I would have thought Democrats cared enough about democracy to at least bother with investigation and condemnation of those who cheated

you mean the investigations that did happen? upon which nothing was found to support the idea of fraud in either direction?

shocking.

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GunslingerGunsl posted...

Politics really has the ability to bring out the worst in people. Funny thing is, by the time March hits, most of this won't be as big a deal to many people. They'll be too busy living their lives and realize again that not much changes despite whatever President we have in office at the time.

No they won't. They'll be forced into lockdowns again and again. They may be living a life but it is only a half-life. A cursed life. Where they're kept indoors and forced to be afraid while Democrat leaders host feasts and flaunt lockdown rules to go on vacations.

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Unbridled9 posted...

No they won't. They'll be forced into lockdowns again and again. They may be living a life but it is only a half-life. A cursed life. Where they're kept indoors and forced to be afraid while Democrat leaders host feasts and flaunt lockdown rules to go on vacations.

lmao

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I don't like Trump, but here's many paragraphs filled with conspiracies he propagates and shilling for him!
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He's right about a few things about Dems, but I don't understand these people who attack them from the left while seemingly backing the right. If you supported Bernie then why wouldn't you continue to support Dems, but challenge them to do better and support primary candidates like AOC?

Let me guess, you don't actually care about his policies and just want a "non-establishment" guy

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Unbridled9 posted...

No they won't. They'll be forced into lockdowns again and again. They may be living a life but it is only a half-life. A cursed life. Where they're kept indoors and forced to be afraid while Democrat leaders host feasts and flaunt lockdown rules to go on vacations.

Actually you're kind of right. Once the covid situation is over, THEN people will go back to living their lives and not caring. Lol

trump basically said "do NOT vote for me" and then people... didn't vote for him, idk why everyone was so surprised

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TheWitchMorgana posted...

trump basically said "do NOT vote for me" and then people... didn't vote for him, idk why everyone was so surprised

He didn't win the popular vote last time, and then didn't win it this time.
:O

Unbridled9 posted...

No they won't. They'll be forced into lockdowns again and again. They may be living a life but it is only a half-life. A cursed life. Where they're kept indoors and forced to be afraid while Democrat leaders host feasts and flaunt lockdown rules to go on vacations.

pretty sure trump has already been doing that, and it's specifically one of the main reasons he was voted out

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likehelly posted...

pretty sure trump has already been doing that, and it's specifically one of the main reasons he was voted out

Trump decided to leave it up to the governors. That's why you have states like California engaging in harsh lockdowns while states like South Dakota have barely anything. It's another reason I no longer trust Democrats to be anything other than lying, cheating, hypocritical people. Because they'll enact harsh lockdowns then ignore them completely and advocate for shit like riots while punishing innocent people who simply don't want their business to go under or do simple activities (like go to the gym). The guilty get rewarded and the innocent punished, so why bother acknowledging the lockdowns anymore?

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Unbridled9 posted...

Trump decided to leave it up to the governors. That's why you have states like California engaging in harsh lockdowns while states like South Dakota have barely anything. It's another reason I no longer trust Democrats to be anything other than lying, cheating, hypocritical people. Because they'll enact harsh lockdowns then ignore them completely and advocate for shit like riots while punishing innocent people who simply don't want their business to go under or do simple activities (like go to the gym). The guilty get rewarded and the innocent punished, so why bother acknowledging the lockdowns anymore?

idk, why don't you ask all the red states that are letting covid run rampant while doing absolutely nothing to prevent or stop it.

then you can ask why blue states arent doing as bad as them


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GunslingerGunsl posted...

Actually you're kind of right. Once the covid situation is over, THEN people will go back to living their lives and not caring. Lol

I highly doubt it will ever be over. First there will be a vaccine, then they'll just find some new disease or insist we wear masks and distance to keep from spreading future diseases or whatever else. I don't see the liberals ever giving up power especially tyrannical power.

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Unbridled9 posted...

First there will be a vaccine, then they'll just find some new disease or insist we wear masks and distance to keep from spreading future diseases or whatever else. I don't see the liberals ever giving up power especially tyrannical power.

The horror, a mask.

likehelly posted...

idk, why don't you ask all the red states that are letting covid run rampant while doing absolutely nothing to prevent or stop it.

then you can ask why blue states arent doing as bad as them

I don't care. All that matters is that it wasn't Trump who enacted the lockdowns or keeps enforcing lockdown after lockdown as he left it to the governors and mayors to decide. Blaming him for the lockdowns or lack there-of is misplaced.

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Unbridled9 posted...

I highly doubt it will ever be over. First there will be a vaccine, then they'll just find some new disease or insist we wear masks and distance to keep from spreading future diseases or whatever else. I don't see the liberals ever giving up power especially tyrannical power.

weird that every democratic or liberal president has always given up their power peacefully, but this one republican president is doing his hardest to not give his up.

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Unbridled9 posted...

I don't care.

if you hadn't cared you wouldn't have brought it up. it's only after your claim is disputed that you don't care. gotcha.

and yes. trump did leave it up to the governor's. which is why democratic ones enacted lockdowns, and red ones claimed that covid didn't even exist.

as a result, blue states are not doing near as bad as red states.

I'm finding your claim of supporting obama and bernie more and more suspect as you continue to post. you're literally just parroting tucker carlson.

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likehelly posted...

weird that every democratic or liberal president has always given up their power peacefully, but this one republican president is doing his hardest to not give his up.

Let me ask you this. Let's say Hilary won in 2016. Then, come 2020, Trump runs again and this time he wins. He not only wins but he wins with more votes than Obama did with several states that had been going for Hilary on election night by wide margins suddenly flipping to Trump. Would you think the election was honest or would you say Trump cheated to win?

Wait. Don't answer that. You're a liberal so you believe Trump and Russia already cheated to win in 2016. Hypocrite.

likehelly posted...

if you hadn't cared you wouldn't have brought it up. it's only after your claim is disputed that you don't care. gotcha.

and yes. trump did leave it up to the governor's. which is why democratic ones enacted lockdowns, and red ones claimed that covid didn't even exist.

as a result, blue states are not doing near as bad as red states.

I'm finding your claim of supporting obama and bernie more and more suspect as you continue to post. you're literally just parroting tucker carlson.

What the fuck are you on about? You said it was Trump who enacted the lockdowns. I said it wasn't Trump as he left it up to the governors and mayors. So then your counter is that the blue states are doing better? That's not just unrelated there are sea sponges with closer relations to coyotes than that statement has to what I was saying.

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likehelly posted...

weird that every democratic or liberal president has always given up their power peacefully, but this one republican president is doing his hardest to not give his up.

That's totally different tho, cuz Dems obviously cheated, and I have proof I'll never show you.
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He didn't say that Trump implemented lockdowns. He said that Trump caused lockdowns which is correct because by your own admission he left it up to the states. But you can't leave it up to states because people move between the states, it takes everyone to stop the spread. Not to mention that masks and other things are hard to enforce so even as a symbolic leader, when you have a president who denies it, that makes it worse. On top of that states could've used help with PPE and tests early on, and some of that responsibility falls federally.

Your cognitive dissonance is insane, you're saying that covid is bad because of the actions states were forced to take because of Trump, but it's not Trump's fault. Big brain shit

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dud posted...

He didn't say that Trump implemented lockdowns. He said that Trump caused lockdowns which is correct because by your own admission he left it up to the states. But you can't leave it up to states because people move between the states, it takes everyone to stop the spread. Not to mention that masks and other things are hard to enforce so even as a symbolic leader, when you have a president who denies it, that makes it worse. On top of that states could've used help with PPE and tests early on, and some of that responsibility falls federally.

Your cognitive dissonance is insane, you're saying that covid is bad because of the actions states were forced to take because of Trump, but it's not Trump's fault. Big brain shit

So, ya know, maybe lockdowns are a shitty thing that do little beyond hurt economies and ruin lives. But it doesn't matter because you're saying that Trump should have enacted the lockdowns which, by your own admission, means he's not responsible for them. The governors are along with every failed lockdown, hypocritical act, and terrible outcome. You wanna talk about how 'the blue states are doing better'? Then why are they still plagued with it? Do you seriously think people from Montana are fleeing to Oregon or something to escape the virus?

I'm done with this shit though. You're a democrat and thusly have nothing worthwhile to say.

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what % of democrats believe trump won?

No he is responsible for the lockdowns being as bad as they are because he failed to take any sort of proactive measures or really even any reactivate ones either. He knew about it in early 2020 and just didn't do shit. He still hasn't done shit other than sow conspiracy and twisted ideas of "freedom" where the biggest oppression is having to put something on your face.

I'm not a democrat lol. Dem governors going to parties while they initiate lockdowns sucks ass. It doesn't change any of the facts about epidemiology though

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Unbridled9 posted...

You said it was Trump who enacted the lockdowns.

...not once did I say he did anything. which is the point, he did nothing.

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Unbridled9 posted...

Let me ask you this. Let's say Hilary won in 2016. Then, come 2020, Trump runs again and this time he wins. He not only wins but he wins with more votes than Obama did with several states that had been going for Hilary on election night by wide margins suddenly flipping to Trump. Would you think the election was honest or would you say Trump cheated to win?

I would say that he won, just like he did in 2016 after I voted for him.

Unbridled9 posted...

Wait. Don't answer that. You're a liberal so you believe Trump and Russia already cheated to win in 2016. Hypocrite

weird that the man who claimed to vote for obama, and supported bernie, would be upset at someone he thinks is a liberal, when those two are also liberal.

and no, I'm a republican.

well, actually, no not anymore. conservatives have demonstrated that they don't care at all about anyone other than themselves, going so far as to directly put millions of people in harm for no reason other than that they are not inconvenienced.

not to mention that trump's entire presidential campaign had no plan at all for a second term. not that his first term was worth writing home about, and did far more harm than good in the repealing of many environmental protections, and the abject disregard for human life.

so yeah, guess I am a democrat now.

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Some people really can't see why a lot of voters would be unsatisfied and not vote Trump? Trump was pretty much the only Republican that voters did not want. Do you think the counties that flipped from D to R should also be discounted because they flipped? Or only when it doesn't benefit the Republicans?

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sooo "not my president" 2.0?


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Unbridled9 posted...

I highly doubt it will ever be over. First there will be a vaccine, then they'll just find some new disease or insist we wear masks and distance to keep from spreading future diseases or whatever else. I don't see the liberals ever giving up power especially tyrannical power.

That's a worst case scenario for sure, but personally I don't believe it will go that way. I dont see this being the beginning of a dystopia future. To me, it is an overreaction to the current situation to think it's going that way. Can I be 100% sure I'm right? Of course not. We will have to check back on this again in the next 6 months to a year to find out.

teddy241 posted...

what % of democrats believe trump won?

less than forty

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No link to any poll or anything supporting Bumped's claim about a poll. I wonder why?

BlackScythe0 posted...

Russian interference is a fact,

lol, the "Russian interference" (minus the phishing, which I can't remember if they ever proved it was tied to the Russian government) was for the most part fundamentally no different than any other country's influence-peddling during an election. People desperately try to cite it as some great, big thing but it mostly just consisted of mild social media shenanigans and handing dirt over to Hillary's campaign via a paid foreign agent, where almost none of that information was apparently usable because the Steele Dossier's contents -- which were given directly to the press -- didn't even seem reliable enough for *WaPo* or MSNBC to run them, which is why they eventually wound up on Buzzfeed where, even then, they admitted that they didn't fact-check shit but felt it was in the "public interest" to run completely unverified, unvetted claims.

Then there were accusations that the Trump had received a variation of the Steele Dossier on Hillary, but he never tried to disseminate any of that information (unlike the Hillary campaign which took it directly to the press) so it's inconclusive

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/18/politics/senate-intelligence-report-russia-election-interference-efforts/index.html

Zeus full of complete shit again

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From a certain point of view, Joe Biden didn't win. Not Trump won.

We've seen Joe Biden run for president twice when he was Joe Biden instead of Not Trump. He crashed and burned harder than Wii U.

Fuck, even in this election Biden's campaign was considered dead until he won ONE state. (That overwhelmingly voted for Trump. We let a fucking red state have more say than California. For fuck's sake.) And then the Democrats pulled some blatant fuckery to prop the fucker up.

Trump very much lost IN SPITE OF Biden, not because. It was risky and stupid to run with such an uncharismatic and creepy old man. Especially when they made their decision BEFORE Coronavirus, aka the only real reason Trump lost.
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Endgame posted...

From a certain point of view, Joe Biden didn't win. Not Trump won.

Thats a rather stupid, sort of r/im14andthisisdeep, kind of view

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I got about halfway through this topic but just couldn't do it anymore; it's just too hilarous.
http://i.imgur.com/16Np16F.gif

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Meh

Remember when all the dems were like #NotMyPresident

Probably not 83% of them though, probably far less, but idk

Who let endgame find this topic :/

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OrangeDawn posted...

Who let endgame find this topic :/

You should be like me and have him on ignore.
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Too much evidence. Joe Biden lost.

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nuggetg posted...

Too much evidence. Joe Biden lost.

could you post some of it?

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Unbridled9 posted...

Are you NUTS? These aren't even things in dispute. They happened. We have the vote totals. We watched them unfold in real time with the charts to track. About the only thing that 'didn't happen' was the sexual scandal that Cavanaugh was accused of.

But you know what? I don't care anymore. I used to think that the democrats were simply misguided. Good people at heart lead by corrupt politicians. I no longer care. I've seen so much hypocrisy, idiocy, ignorance, and hatred from the left that I no longer care. As far as I'm concerned, from now on, all democrats are lying hypocrites who aren't to be trusted. Congrats. You've won. Just not the fight you were hoping to win.

I will never support another democrat again. This is coming from someone who voted for Obama and was rooting for Bernie in 2016. The Republican party is ineffective and I will never take them seriously, but I cannot accept a democrat as anything other than a lying, corrupt, hypocrite now. Congrats. You did something not even Nancy Pelosi and her hair salon stunt managed and convinced me the entire party was corrupt beyond redemption. I don't like Trump, he's a boorish olf who rides on a populist message and is wildly chaotic at best, but every metric and sign and everything I could see pointed to his victory and every account of fraud that's emerged afterwards has reinforced the notion that he should have won and Biden cheated. I would have thought Democrats cared enough about democracy to at least bother with investigation and condemnation of those who cheated, but clearly all they care about is winning at any cost even if that cost is democracy itself.

You're a Trumpster repeating debunked nonsense claiming you saw things you clearly didn't understand because you're unwilling to accept the answers which debunk the nonsense. Yet we are supposed to believe you won't vote for a democrat because we are coming at you with facts. If you want people to believe your nonsense is actually the reality why isn't this stuff being taken to court? I know why, but you guys don't seem to care why and every time some reality gets pushed out you guys flip out "It's a conspiracy they're working with democrats and china for no reason!" Kemp is one of the most Trump loving governors in the country, and Barr most of his other appointees are flipping for democrats too? It's all nonsense none of it makes sense. People don't suddenly become part of a conspiracy for telling you the truth.

Zeus posted...

No link to any poll or anything supporting Bumped's claim about a poll. I wonder why?

lol, the "Russian interference" (minus the phishing, which I can't remember if they ever proved it was tied to the Russian government) was for the most part fundamentally no different than any other country's influence-peddling during an election. People desperately try to cite it as some great, big thing but it mostly just consisted of mild social media shenanigans and handing dirt over to Hillary's campaign via a paid foreign agent, where almost none of that information was apparently usable because the Steele Dossier's contents -- which were given directly to the press -- didn't even seem reliable enough for *WaPo* or MSNBC to run them, which is why they eventually wound up on Buzzfeed where, even then, they admitted that they didn't fact-check shit but felt it was in the "public interest" to run completely unverified, unvetted claims.

Then there were accusations that the Trump had received a variation of the Steele Dossier on Hillary, but he never tried to disseminate any of that information (unlike the Hillary campaign which took it directly to the press) so it's inconclusive

"Reality didn't happen, Hillary went to authorities not the media but who cares I'll say media anyways, but Trump got a similar document but kept it secret in an action completely and totally out of character for him!"

Why are you so fucking insane? I've never even heard the conspiracy you just tried to make up here.

Sounds like a load of horseshit if you ask me.

I live in NC where the majority voted for Trump but havent met anyone denying that Biden won.

XD

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Unbridled9 posted...

Let me ask you this. Let's say Hilary won in 2016. Then, come 2020, Trump runs again and this time he wins. He not only wins but he wins with more votes than Obama did with several states that had been going for Hilary on election night by wide margins suddenly flipping to Trump. Would you think the election was honest or would you say Trump cheated to win?

In an election with some of the most aggressive "get out and vote" messaging in US history (Trump also got more votes than Obama, remember), with more mail-in voting than any other election in US history due to the ongoing public health crisis that discouraged many people from voting in person (a crisis which hypothetical Hillary's voter base is generally less respectful of than hypothetical Trump's), when hypothetical Hillary had spent most of the previous year saying that nobody should vote by mail because she was trying to make it illegal? Yes, I would expect hypothetical Trump to receive unprecedented numbers of votes and also to see many states flip after election night due to how overwhelming the partisan bias in absentee voting can be expected to be. It'd be disappointing to see an apparent victory slip away like that, but it would be completely within the realm of reasonable expectations.

Quite simply, everyone that paid any modicum of attention should have expected Trump to get relatively few mail-in votes because he told his base not to vote by mail. That's not evidence of fraud, that's evidence that Trump supporters have a grade 1 reading level.

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deoxxys posted...

Sounds like a load of horseshit if you ask me.

I live in NC where the majority voted for Trump but havent met anyone denying that Biden won.

XD

I live in the most Trump loving state in the country, most people here believe Trump won and that most of the country is taking money from China to flip it to Biden.

Still waiting on my China stimulus check

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God wouldn't that be nice, get some quality electronics and a fat check.

Politicians (top to bottom state and federal both parties) postal workers, poll workers, I think I remember someone saying something about garbage workers too.

Mead posted...

Still waiting on my China stimulus check

I never got my Soros checks, either. This fraud operation is such a rip-off.

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Yeah when is ANTIFA gonna send me my pension already

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