Current Events > Cyberpunk has the worst AI in the history of AAA gaming.

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Yeah this is very obviously design choices (bad ones) and not programming failures. I wonder what they claim the "bug" is specifically.

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Did @Spooking block everyone who called him out
lmao

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Spooking has most of the board blocked

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... what the hell apparently he has me ignored/blocked, too what did I even say here lol

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Well, he didn't block me, for what it's worth. >_>

He didn't reply, btw.
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Is Spooking a CDPR apologist?

CD Projekt has over 1,000 employees

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Weak trolling bro.

Its also the worst game in the history of gaming too. Rivaling superman 64 I heard

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What do you expect from a game made by 2 college kids in their garage?

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Lmao

I'm on the ps4 of all things and I've noticed none of this? Maybe you're looking for the negatives or aren't paying any attention to the good aspects, but I'd say the npc is better than ac valhalla and most open world games

Why do so many people want to ruin this game?

It's a great game that'll only get better and better.

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itachi15243 posted...

I'm on the ps4 of all things and I've noticed none of this? Maybe you're looking for the negatives or aren't paying any attention to the good aspects

itachi15243 posted...

Why do so many people want to ruin this game?

People pointing out the glaring amount of issues is not an attempt to ruin the game for you. It's not up to long established industry standards, and the marketing straight up lied about what the game was bringing to the table

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JHTuEPU7uFk

Socrawheeze posted...

People pointing out the glaring amount of issues is not an attempt to ruin the game for you. It's not up to long established industry standards, and the marketing straight up lied about what the game was bringing to the table

I understand that the game has problems, but you're telling me that the people like tc making lists of everything they could find wrong isn't trying to make it look bad? If he or you isn't enjoying it I'm sorry . Maybe I'm just enjoying it more because I didn't pay any attention to the game or the hype until right before launch.

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itachi15243 posted...

I understand that the game has problems, but you're telling me that the people like tc making lists of everything they could find wrong isn't trying to make it look bad?

I don't understand. Should he have just said "the AI is dreadful and over a decade behind industry standards" instead of listing specific instances? The thread is specifically about his dissatisfaction with the NPC behavior. Do you prefer he just not make the thread at all?

itachi15243 posted...

Maybe I'm just enjoying it more because I didn't pay any attention to the game or the hype until right before launch.

Aside from the deluge of glitch/performance/janky AI vids post-launch, the extent of my exposure to this game was the dickgirl energy drink poster.

Not trying to sound like I'm defending them, but a majority of the things in TC's post won't impact 99.9% of players and are simply trivial complaints for the sake of complaining.

The only few that really suck and impact gameplay for >0.01% of players are:

...every other NPC in a large circle around the player will crouch to the floor in the same animation, even if they did not see the original assault.
-This one simply looks dumb visually, I'd rather see them run away. But the only reason I even included this one is because I was doing a gang thing and shots started, but an NPC was crouched on a fire escape-type of stairway, and I literally couldn't get around him to go up to fight the gang. Hindsight is I probably could've shot him, but I wasn't exactly thinking of that at the time.

Police to not attempt to question, warn, or arrest the player for even the smallest crime commited, for example if you bump into them or accidently enter a private area.
-This one actually is annoying. I sometimes have to get up close to the cops since they have the little yellow enemy icon over their heads (to see if they're cops or bad guys), but get even remotely too close to them and they immediately get aggroed.

Police are incapable of driving cars and chasing the player if they drive away.
-Also very stupid, but the flipside is, given how easy it is to aggro cops for nothing, I'd be annoyed if me literally walking down the street ended up with me wasting ten minutes in a car chase trying to flee because I got too close to a cop. Logically it's dumb, but if the cops are going to get aggroed at anything, then this is the type of thing I'll accept as a trade-off.

Police will know if the player has attacked an NPC in the middle of the badlands and spawn next to the player, without vehicles.
-Very stupid. I have noticed the bounty/cop system is a little too trigger-happy, this doesn't help.

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The rest of these are trivial gripes (non-quest related NPCs having one line, no cycles, repeating actions, etc.) and/or can actually be explained if you think about it

NPCs will not acknowledge the player if they run the player over with their car.
-A hit and run in Night City? Color me shocked, I'm surprised the person wouldn't get out and try to apologize for fear of probably getting shot immediately. I'd keep driving too.

NPCs will not attempt to steal their vehicle back if you steal it from them.
-Same idea. Guy steals my car, he's probably got many guns. I've got nothing. He can take it.

NPCs will rarely thank or acknowledge the player if they are helped by the player.
-Realistically I'd be a little jipped by not getting a thank you as well, but I'd probably bolt as soon as the shooting ended and I saw my window to flee to safety.

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So, yeah, I agree it's not great programming, but the tl;dr is a big chunk of these are minor and don't impact gameplay at all unless you're specifically looking for things to gripe about because it's the hip thing to do right now.

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All of these complaints are from people playing on base PS4's and X1's.

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Socrawheeze posted...

I don't understand. Should he have just said "the AI is dreadful and over a decade behind industry standards" instead of listing specific instances? The thread is specifically about his dissatisfaction with the NPC behavior. Do you prefer he just not make the thread at all?

All I'm saying is it sounds like he either a., went looking and made a list with everything/most things he could find wrong with it. B., started noticing things were off about the ai so just wrote out literally every issue he's seen while playing. That or C., just straight up tested the ai to put the most unfavorable results on here.

I don't play this game like gta, nor do I sit around and watch the people beyond walking around, so I don't notice most of it. It just seems kinda pointless to go out of his way to find all this just so you can tell everyone how bad the ai is. It doesn't seem like he wants to do anything but try and shit on the game. This list would be better given to developers to fix these issues

Aside from the deluge of glitch/performance/janky AI vids post-launch, the extent of my exposure to this game was the dickgirl energy drink poster.

So... you have no idea what this game is like besides al the glitches and issue's? You seem kindaaa biased here honestly

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See, you might not realize it but you're doing to me exactly what you're doing to TC. You're attempting to discredit me so as to handwave away the notion that the game has issues. My only stake in this race is that I would prefer gamers to be more disciplined, and not reward studios for rushing out shoddy products. It's valid that you like the game. It is not valid to dismiss flaws as just looking for things to complain about. I could just as easily say that you seem to be taking any criticism of the game personally.

itachi15243 posted...

This list would be better given to developers to fix these issues

Can you recall any games in which the AI was significantly improved via patch?

Many of the things TC listed aren't even AI things, they're just lazy and bad decisions

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Socrawheeze posted...

See, you might not realize it but you're doing to me exactly what you're doing to TC. You're attempting to discredit me so as to handwave away the notion that the game has issues. My only stake in this race is that I would prefer gamers to be more disciplined, and not reward studios for rushing out shoddy products. It's valid that you like the game. It is not valid to dismiss flaws as just looking for things to complain about. I could just as easily say that you seem to be taking any criticism of the game personally.

Can you recall any games in which the AI was significantly improved via patch?

And I could easily say that you're ignoring your own very apparent and heavy bias against this game. However, unlike you I wouldn't be lying. All you know of this game is whatever bugs may be or have been before the last patch might be gone.

The reason that I act to discredit your opinion on the game isn't to handwave anything regardingthe game itself. The game has issues. Well how bad are they? Can they be fixed or maybe they're not too noticeable at all for most players? You wouldn't know because you've never actually played it.

If anything you're trying to give yourself credit by discrediting and handwaving me by driving a false narrative against me. I know the game has bugs, I've put a long time into said game. Most of the things listed in this topic I have not noticed because they hardly come up or I haven't looked for them or seen them often.

Howeverzl unlike you, I'd know because I've played. This might be something so insignificant for a lot of them because of how little you pay attention to the random npc next to you and they may already be working on a fix with the update for the new gen of consoles

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itachi15243 posted...

And I could easily say that you're ignoring your own very apparent and heavy bias against this game. However, unlike you I wouldn't be lying.

This is your brain on Cyberpunk

I'm playing a game or am I playing watch the NPC simulator 2000? Cause it sounds like the lot of you boot the game up to watch npcs go on with their useless lives. If I wanna do that I'll head downtown and watch idiots that can't drive.

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Look, thinking a game is bad because it is an unfinished buggy mess with an AI that ranges from crap to nonexistent isn't "bias against the game". That's a weirdly defensive stance to have, as if people's "hidden agenda" is to say bad things about a game that... has a lot of bad things in it? They're not going to ruin the game for you buddy, they just think it's shit, and they're allowed to express that opinion on a game forum

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scar the 1 posted...

Look, thinking a game is bad because it is an unfinished buggy mess with an AI that ranges from crap to nonexistent isn't "bias against the game". That's a weirdly defensive stance to have, as if people's "hidden agenda" is to say bad things about a game that... has a lot of bad things in it? They're not going to ruin the game for you buddy, they just think it's shit, and they're allowed to express that opinion on a game forum

It's funny to me that people think noticing the AI responsd the same exact way to the player means the person was just spending their entire time "watching npcs".

Considering that CDPR also said that this city would be living with dynamic AI, it's a broken promise people have every right to complain about.

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Defending the brain dead AI in a nutshell

SquirtleSkwad posted...

All of these complaints are from people playing on base PS4's and X1's.

Nah the AI is universal

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Socrawheeze posted...

This is your brain on Cyberpunk

Deflecting again with no real comeback as usual

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itachi15243 posted...

This might be something so insignificant for a lot of them because of how little you pay attention to the random npc next to you and they may already be working on a fix with the update for the new gen of consoles

They knew it would be extremely obvious which is why they banned review footage pre-release.

They have never promised to update the AI for next gen and AI has never been overhauled to that extent for any open world game. It's clearly a limitation that is there on purpose as everything in the open world works around it.

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Darmik posted...

They knew it would be extremely obvious which is why they banned review footage pre-release.

They have never promised to update the AI for next gen and AI has never been overhauled to that extent for any open world game. It's clearly a limitation that is there on purpose as everything in the open world works around it.

Why is it a limitation when games from a decade and more do it better?

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Funkydog posted...

Why is it a limitation when games from a decade and more do it better?

Could be lots of reasons. My guess is either the game had an extremely rocky development cycle or their engine sucks for an open world game based in a city.

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Darmik posted...

Could be lots of reasons. My guess is either the game had an extremely rocky development cycle or their engine sucks for an open world game based in a city.

Neither are really valid explanations for most of the things listed in the OP.
Then again, not a lot of things are. The product is what it is. If that's because they had a rocky dev cycle, that still means they did a shitty job.

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The verified CDPR employee who leaked a bunch of info said the AI stuff is already fixed theyre just trying to get it implemented. It sounds to me they just stripped out what they need to, to get it running... somewhat.

JoeRodonExprien posted...

The verified CDPR employee who leaked a bunch of info said the AI stuff is already fixed theyre just trying to get it implemented. It sounds to me they just stripped out what they need to, to get it running... somewhat.

And it's gonna take a lot of work to get it running on base consoles.

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https://wccftech.com/major-cyberpunk-2077-patch-december-21/

We're getting another patch in about three days

Also, for those who don't believe that it's possible to patch the ai for some odd reason (if you can do something like add new levels, characters, boss fights, enemies and npcs (a lot of which do use different ai or even just new, better ai, why couldn't they fix the current ai situation? They announced that they have it planned out already too. The patches to fix it

https://www.altchar.com/game-news/cyberpunk-2077s-poor-ai-is-related-to-bugs-and-will-be-fixed-says-cdpr-avGWJ5j9Eqvg

Even if the info on this one seems to align with as some the later dates they have said before (January, February) for fixes in the ai and bugs

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itachi15243 posted...

https://wccftech.com/major-cyberpunk-2077-patch-december-21/

We're getting another patch in about three days

Also, for those who don't believe that it's possible to patch the ai for some odd reason (if you can do something like add new levels, characters, boss fights, enemies and npcs (a lot of which do use different ai or even just new, better ai, why couldn't they fix the current ai situation? They announced that they have it planned out already too. The patches to fix it

https://www.altchar.com/game-news/cyberpunk-2077s-poor-ai-is-related-to-bugs-and-will-be-fixed-says-cdpr-avGWJ5j9Eqvg

Even if the info on this one seems to align with as some the later dates they have said before (January, February) for fixes in the ai and bugs

Yeah I'm not really sure why people would think a patch can't "fix" AI. But the notion that the poor AI is due to "bugs" is a pathetic and transparent excuse. The AI isn't there. What CDPR are doing right now is essentially having people pay for playtesting an early alpha build.

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Disgusting, isnt it?