Poll of the Day > Is it fair that Employers can require employees to get Covid-19 vaccine?

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I say no it isn't because some people are skeptical about a vaccine they know very little about.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/us/eeoc-employers-coronavirus-mandate.html

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Employers can require that you have a tetanus and MMR vaccine, this is no different. If you're skeptical about the vaccine because you don't know about it that's not the employer's problem it's yours.

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Not unless it was already in their employment terms when they took the job, I guess. If it wasn't, then the employer should make reasonable accommodations if they don't want the employee there in person without the vaccine.

man101 posted...

Employers can require that you have a tetanus and MMR vaccine

Citation?

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Zeus posted...

Citation?

Literally my own job that I have right now.

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man101 posted...

Literally my own job that I have right now.

Then you could pull out your employment paperwork and show me.

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Zeus posted...

Then you could pull out your employment paperwork and show me.

Yeah let me just dig up my employment contract and upload a photo of it so I can prove to you that I'm not lying about a mundane point on the internet for no fucking reason jesus christ Zeus are you a real person or are you a computer program designed to be illogically contrary and annoying?

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Trolololol

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man101 posted...

Yeah let me just dig up my employment contract and upload a photo of it so I can prove to you that I'm not lying about a mundane point on the internet for no fucking reason jesus christ Zeus are you a real person or are you a computer program designed to be illogically contrary and annoying?

he's a real, left leaning centrist contrarian, ok?

be ready for his repeating your interaction, while saying you fully agreed to give him documents, followed by you flaking and conceding, ok?

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man101 posted...

Yeah let me just dig up my employment contract and upload a photo of it so I can prove to you that I'm not lying about a mundane point on the internet for no fucking reason jesus christ Zeus are you a real person or are you a computer program designed to be illogically contrary and annoying?

Or, you know, you just fucking post a citation to back up your bullshit claim which is what I asked for in the first place rather than some anecdotal shit where you pretend it was a clause in your employment agreement and then claim that you can't access that paperwork because "reasons"


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Yes, theyre skeptical asses can cry all the way home

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Zeus posted...

Or, you know, you just fucking post a citation to back up your bullshit claim which is what I asked for in the first place rather than some anecdotal shit where you pretend it was a clause in your employment agreement and then claim that you can't access that paperwork because "reasons"

Why on Earth would I make it up and why would I go to the lengths necessary to prove to you I'm not lying about something totally mundane when you're a completely nonsensical human being who would continue to argue that knives don't exist as he's being stabbed to death just because you can't go five minutes without arguing against something for no discernible reason.

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man101 posted...

Why on Earth would I make it up and why would I go to the lengths necessary to prove to you I'm not lying about something totally mundane when you're a completely nonsensical human being who would continue to argue that knives don't exist as he's being stabbed to death just because you can't go five minutes without arguing against something for no discernible reason.

It'd be so much easier for you to just admit that you're full of crap instead of everybody's time with an excuse that lame. You tried to make a point by making shit up and you got called on it. Just own it and move on.

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@man101 post extremely personal information for strangers online or else youre a lying troll!!!!

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Zeus posted...

It'd be so much easier for you to just admit that you're full of crap instead of everybody's time with an excuse that lame. You tried to make a point by making shit up and you got called on it. Just own it and move on.

Or how about you could spend five seconds googling "can employers require vaccines" like I just did and find this from the website of a random research university that I don't even work at with positions similar to the people I work with listed, and I quote:

"Those entering the Medical Assistant/Laboratory Assistant, AAS Medical Laboratory Technician, AAS
Medical Coding & Billing, and AAS Health Administration programs requiring externships as part of the
program curriculum may require documented proof of certain vaccinations"

Now shut the fuck up Zeus and stop being a complete tool 24/7/365

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man101 posted...

Or how about you could spend five seconds googling "can employers require vaccines" like I just did and find this from the website of a random research university that I don't even work at with positions similar to the people I work with listed, and I quote:

"Those entering the Medical Assistant/Laboratory Assistant, AAS Medical Laboratory Technician, AAS
Medical Coding & Billing, and AAS Health Administration programs requiring externships as part of the
program curriculum may require documented proof of certain vaccinations"

Now shut the fuck up Zeus and stop being a complete tool 24/7/365

lmao @zeus just got obliterated


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In order to stay employed, I'd say it is.

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Also posting scans/pictures of terms of employment can be a cause of termination or even lawsuits at some employers. Sure maybe one part might not be sensitive information, but one part can. And the terms of employment its basically has to be all or none for just reasonnto far.

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Ogurisama posted...

Also posting scans/pictures of terms of employment can be a cause of termination or even lawsuits at some employers. Sure maybe one part might not be sensitive information, but one part can. And the terms of employment its basically has to be all or none for just reasonnto far.

I was mostly refusing to find and copy and post my own employment contract because Zeus isn't worth the time it would take for me to dig for it to prove something I have no earthly reason to lie about only for him to then move the goalpost arbitrarily.

But also yes because I am technically not even allowed to talk about what I do on a day to day basis other than acknowledging that I work in a research lab, yes, it probably would be seriously frowned upon if I pasted my employment contract onto some message board.

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where did Zeus go???

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Lol. Not that Zeus will see this, but I have been required to have vaccines and show documentation for at least three jobs I've had. I fully expect that my upcoming job will require me to get the Coronavirus vaccine before I start, once it's more widely available.

man101 posted...

Why on Earth would I make it up and why would I go to the lengths necessary to prove to you I'm not lying about something totally mundane when you're a completely nonsensical human being who would continue to argue that knives don't exist as he's being stabbed to death just because you can't go five minutes without arguing against something for no discernible reason.

Ive had this exact argument more times than I can count. If people dont want to believe you, they wont. Even if you showed your contract, it wouldnt be Oh okay I was wrong. It would be a giant rant about how stupid that is and thats not how it should be.

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Interesting. I just sort of assumed that it was common knowledge among adults in the working world that their employer could require immunization as condition of employment.

How do you not know this, Zeus? Seriously.


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Just a reminder that until a little while back, Zeus had never heard of a red onion

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Mead posted...

Just a reminder that until a little while back, Zeus had never heard of a red onion

Really?!?


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Bugmeat posted...

Really?!?

yeah it was a whole thing

he got really mad about it

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I love that he still hasnt posted

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When I took a college course that required me to go to schools, I was required to get a TB shot. Not employment, but same idea.
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man101 posted...

Employers can require that you have a tetanus and MMR vaccine, this is no different. If you're skeptical about the vaccine because you don't know about it that's not the employer's problem it's yours.

Its the worlds problem

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No job ever made Arv get the flu shot

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fun topic ty tc

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It's only fair if you're pro-fascism.

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Why are people trolling Zeus instead of uploading pics of their employment contracts like normal people

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Zeus posted...

just admit that you're full of crap

Zeus posted...

Just own it and move on.

The absolute fucking irony

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Phantom_Nook posted...

When I took a college course that required me to go to schools, I was required to get a TB shot. Not employment, but same idea.

Same, my grad school program required TB shots

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Depends on the job I would say. If you're interacting with a lot of people, sure. If it's work from home, not really.

When I worked in the maternity ward I was required to have several vaccines

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Sure. As already said. You not doing something that a employer requires is on you not them providing it's legal.

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JigsawTDC posted...

Lol. Not that Zeus will see this, but I have been required to have vaccines and show documentation for at least three jobs I've had. I fully expect that my upcoming job will require me to get the Coronavirus vaccine before I start, once it's more widely available.

zeus once told us all he worked for the department of defense. a fact he now insists never happened, and we were all sharing a mass delusion of, ok?

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It's fair for any employer to require anything within reason. The safety of all the employees is very important. I would rather fire somebody for refusing to get a vaccine than even let them work from home because their poor judgment and selfishness are reflective of them being a lesser person and I'd want to only keep those I deemed acceptable.

Raddest_Chad posted...

It's fair for any employer to require anything within reason. The safety of all the employees is very important. I would rather fire somebody for refusing to get a vaccine than even let them work from home because their poor judgment and selfishness are reflective of them being a lesser person and I'd want to only keep those I deemed acceptable.

See, here's the thing. Most jobs don't require vaccinations for various reasons. So to suddenly change that you'll have a bunch of people rejecting the vaccine and, when they get fired, suing for wrongful termination based on discrimination. They'd have an argument to unless they're in one of the very few jobs were vaccinations in general are required and not JUST the one for covid.

I do feel it's wrong especially since it will be a while before everyone can have the chance to get vaccinated. So even in the best of cases it is pointless. You also have people who will refuse vaccinations in general and expect to keep their jobs, jobs that they had prior to 2020 without being vaccinated.

It's a tricky question to be certain. I will say this. I believe everyone should be vaccinated or at least have the chance to be vaccinated. Does that mean I want it required or turned into law? No.

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Unbridled9 posted...

It's a tricky question to be certain. I will say this. I believe everyone should be vaccinated or at least have the chance to be vaccinated. Does that mean I want it required or turned into law? No.

If it isnt formally mandated at least a good 30% of the country is gonna refuse to get it, the virus is gonna keep spreading and mutating, and businesses are gonna struggle with lockdowns with no end in sight.

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maybe in a few years once the vaccine has some actual statistics to it like other vaccines.
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Fair, next.

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Zeus posted...

Not unless it was already in their employment terms when they took the job, I guess. If it wasn't, then the employer should make reasonable accommodations if they don't want the employee there in person without the vaccine.

Citation?

As a once nurse I can back this up. Also you can be fire for having an reaction to the tb test. If your in a field where you can communicate a compromising disease they can require various medical stipulations.

Heck there is a town that requires you appendix to be removed to live in it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Las_Estrellas

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Did this guy really just insist that someone post a picture of his employment papers to prove something on the internet? Can you please post a scan of your birth certificate so I know you're over 18 too please?

I believe everything on the internet. What kind of monster would lie on the internet?

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wwinterj25 posted...

I believe everything on the internet. What kind of monster would lie on the internet?

It was easily verifiable through the internet without having to ask for personal documents. Lol

GunslingerGunsl posted...

It was easily verifiable through the internet without having to ask for personal documents. Lol

Exactly. The nerve of some people implying lies are told on the internet is silly.

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>_>