Current Events > I don't get how ppl are so passionate about prisoners right

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Sorry don't do the crime if you cant do the time.


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that's a cruel view to flaunt

Prisoners are human too

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uwnim posted...

Prisoners are human too

They are criminals who are being punished for their crimes. No punishment is going to be nice. They should've thought of that before they committed the crime

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Not all crimes are equal, not every person is treated fairly in court, and the judicial system has been proven to be flawed for literal decades now

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MaddenDude-- posted...

They are criminals who are being punished for their crimes. No punishment is going to be nice. They should've thought of that before they committed the crime

For this argument to work you have to assume that the justice system is perfectly fair, perfectly impartial, incapable of being wrong or too heavy handed

You also need to assume that all criminals are evil people who flaunt the rules because they hate you

In other words you have to lie

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prisons are inhumane. punishment in general are not effective for getting results

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flaunt the rules...?

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viewmaster_pi posted...

flaunt the rules...?

What is your actual point though

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viewmaster_pi posted...

flaunt the rules...?

flout, who cares

"I don't understand how people can feel sorry for the Mississippi inmates who went without air conditioning in the middle of July this past summer and were served raw, spoiled meat while the bathrooms went uncleaned."

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Quite a privileged take.

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pinky0926 posted...

What is your actual point though

just use correct words, because flaunting the rules makes even less sense within the point you're trying to make

don't get mad

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Eh, fuck them prisoners. I'll never go to jail so idgaf

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Here's a true story for you guys.

A 15 year old is standing in a council estate (ghetto for British people) when a known local gang member walks up to him, thrusts a bag of heroin into his hand and says "hide this. I'll be back for it later. If you do anything with it I'll fucking kill you and your mother."

The police, arriving shortly after this exchange and who had been on the tail of this bag of drugs, tracked it down to the teenager. They arrest him for possession and put him on house arrest while it goes through the courts. In the end it was agreed that it wasn't his and he was cleared on a lesser charge of possession. The police were no help in protecting the kid from the gang.

The drug dealer returns to the kid and tells him that since he's lost his stash of drugs he now owes a debt. This time, he gives the kid another bag and tells him to sell it, and keep selling it or else he'll find his mother dead in the bathtub.

Remember, this is a dirt poor, uneducated 15 year old with no support network or role models and already facing a negligent police force that doesn't want to deal with it. The only person he has is his mother. And frankly, she's just not all there.

So he desperately buys himself a gun for protection thinking his life is in danger and tries to wait the situation out. Only this time, the police break down his door and find the drugs and a gun.

So, intent to sell class A drugs and possession of an illegal firearm. He faces 15-20.

The ONLY reason I know about this story is because I know the social worker who's job it was to argue on his behalf.

If we all listened to you, we wouldn't have any need for social workers, because we'd just agree that the kid is the scum of society, right? Don't want the crime, don't do the time, or some nonsense

A sane person could look at that story and realise that if someone had the help they needed to get out of a bad situation then a whole lot of injustice and cost to society would have been avoided. After all it's not just the kid who pays. It's you, and me, and everyone else who supports a system that puts people in prison regardless of circumstance.

It takes a huge degree of short sightedness to think that incarceration is automatically justice.


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averagejoel posted...

prisons are inhumane. punishment in general are not effective for getting results

Punish harder, I dgaf.

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PoundGarden posted...

Eh, fuck them prisoners. I'll never go to jail so idgaf

funniest 2020 gimmick

he's dirt poor, but "desperately" buys himself a gun...?

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Empathy is a basic human trait maybe it's time for some serious introspection

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This is the most black and white base level shit I've seen from a topic in a while. Congratulations.

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This is a bad, bad topic
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IMNOTRAGED posted...

Empathy is a basic human trait maybe it's time for some serious introspection

Maybe those prisoner fucks should do some serious introspection. I'm not the one out here committing crimes.

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We live in a society

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Abusing prisoners is criminal so shouldn't the wardens, guards, etc who abuse them face punishment too?

viewmaster_pi posted...

he's dirt poor, but "desperately" buys himself a gun...?

You think your life is on the line and you think a gun will solve the problem, you'll find the 500.

Look dude you can just accept that grooming and exploitation is a fact in the drug trade or you can examine my anecdote for things you find hard to believe, point works either way.

(And yes, it's a real story. Not an uncommon one either).

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A prison system that exists solely to punish only ends up creating life-long prisoners. Without a focus on rehabilitation, prisoners aren't going to learn productive life skills. When they leave, they'll be in no better spot than when they went in, now they are just years behind and a criminal record making it harder to get a job. So they are more likely to revert to what they know. Crime. They get caught, end back in the system and repeat.

In addition a prison that cannot provide a safe environment for its inmates only encourages folks to feel like they need to join prison gangs. This further ingrains them to a criminal life style and makes what little reform efforts the prison has even less effective.

So even ignoring the fact that these are human beings who should be treated with basic human dignity by their caretaker. There is obvious logistical benefits to actually having a prison system based around safety and reform.

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tbhysgb

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Why should I care to rehabilitate someone?

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yeah guys let's all post in a bait topic

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MaddenDude-- posted...

Why should I care

Ok.

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Choco posted...

yeah guys let's all post in a bait topic

it is insane that this many people posted in an obvious bait topic

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Reminder: TC pretends to be a fake doctor on CE

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MaddenDude-- posted...

We live in a society

Prove it

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Lorthremar posted...

it is insane that this many people posted in an obvious bait topic

I mean the topic itself is a relevant and timely conversation, even if the TC might not have had altruistic reasons for posting. But yes, Dan_Harren clearly isn't making any sort of good faith effort foe discussion.

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Because a fat chunk of those people shouldn't even be in there, but I can already tell you're a bootlicker so I won't waste my energy trying to explain that to you.

I dont think anyone really does after they walk out the door to vicariously live out their freedoms

The actual problem is that too many things are illegal.

Hey everyone, stop responding to TC. Thanks

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MaddenDude-- posted...

Why should I care to rehabilitate someone?

Because not everyone in prison is an irredeemably bad person whose existence should be ignored.

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The point is to rehabilitate them so they can return and be productive people in society

Why should anyone care about your rights, TC? Cause lemme tell you, I ain't convinced.

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I understand that our judicial system needs reform. No doubt. Punishments for drug offenders should be way less severe. I'm all for decriminalizing drug possession and use of certain amounts.

But all the maximum security guys, fuck em. Murder, sexual assault, child abuse.... Idgaf about their rights

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Kingbuffet posted...

The point is to rehabilitate them so they can return and be productive people in society

No, that SHOULD BE THE POINT. However throwing somebody with a drug problem in cage for years while providing the bare minimum is not rehabilitating anyone, it's just punishment.

It's adult time out, but it's years of time out where you will probably get beat up by guards and stabbed by another inmate who is actually dangerous and should be there.

This is why I made this topic:



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We have the largest prison population with the largest amount of repeat offenders because the system is so fucked. It needs to make significant changes.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

We have the largest prison population with the largest amount of repeat offenders because the system is so fucked. It needs to make significant changes.

It's not a matter of too many criminals, but too many crimes.

Veggeta X posted...

This is why I made this topic:

Blame science, theres no logical reason to forgive someone who murders someone else >_>