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TreyFlowers 12/27/20 4:57:39 AM #1: |
I'm watching Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich on Netflix and when they ask him certain questions in his deposition, he says he will assert his fifth amendment rights, and googling, that means you don't have to answer legal questions if the answer will incriminate yourself.
But... By asserting those rights, aren't you essentially admitting guilt? --- ...for it is better to be alone than in bad company. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 12/27/20 4:58:23 AM #2: |
it just works
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TreyFlowers 12/27/20 4:58:59 AM #3: |
@MabusIncarnate you explain things better than most people I've met. Go America all over my ass and explain this shit
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Medussa 12/27/20 4:59:00 AM #4: |
yes, but not in a way prosecutors can use to prosecute you.
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AlisLandale 12/27/20 5:14:01 AM #5: |
Its my understanding that it can be used to protect yourself from incriminating yourself about anything.
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pegusus123456 12/27/20 5:17:36 AM #6: |
There are situations in which you can be innocent but answering a question honestly will make you look guilty.
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Crazyman93 12/27/20 5:42:37 AM #8: |
TreyFlowers posted...
But... By asserting those rights, aren't you essentially admitting guilt?Not necessarily. You might use them if saying anything makes you guilty of another crime. Also, you aren't under any obligation to help investigators build a case against you. They have to prove you're guilty, you don't have to help. Although that tends to be more an issue in police interviews, not a court room. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrettyBoyFloyd 12/27/20 5:48:44 AM #9: |
Crazyman93 posted...
Not necessarily. You might use them if saying anything makes you guilty of another crime. Also, you aren't under any obligation to help investigators build a case against you. They have to prove you're guilty, you don't have to help. Although that tends to be more an issue in police interviews, not a court room. Yea police likes to threaten you with "we'll charge you with that if you don't tell us about this". --- The Evil Republicans - Est.2004 - WoT [Government Destabilizing Branch] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crazyman93 12/27/20 5:56:04 AM #10: |
PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Yea police likes to threaten you with "we'll charge you with that if you don't tell us about this".Never talk to police without a lawyer, even if you've done nothing wrong and think you're helping. I swear, police dramas have made people so stupid about lawyering up. No, just because you get a lawyer doesn't mean you're guilty, it just means you're smart enough to have a guy who knows his way around police interviews and the law to advise you. You wouldn't start an investment fund without an accountant, wouldn't build a house without an architect, don't talk to cops without a lawyer. Professional advice is a good thing. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TreyFlowers 12/27/20 5:58:47 AM #11: |
AlisLandale posted...
Its my understanding that it can be used to protect yourself from incriminating yourself about anything. This makes a bit more sense Crazyman93 posted... Not necessarily. You might use them if saying anything makes you guilty of another crime. Also, you aren't under any obligation to help investigators build a case against you. They have to prove you're guilty, you don't have to help. Although that tends to be more an issue in police interviews, not a court room. Okay, what about in a court room with a jury though? If I was on a jury and someone took the 5th, I'd be like "that dudes guilty as hell" Again, not American, but yeah --- ...for it is better to be alone than in bad company. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 12/27/20 6:00:20 AM #12: |
Someone asserting their constitutional rights can't ever be used against them in court. Even if it makes you look really guilty, "he refused to answer" is not a valid legal argument, generally speaking.
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Cornmuffins 12/27/20 6:06:40 AM #13: |
You likely wouldnt be selected to be a juror with that mentality
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UnholyMudcrab 12/27/20 6:07:48 AM #14: |
Ideally, it's something that wouldn't affect the jury's thinking, but human nature being what it is, there might be jury members that do think that way.
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MabusIncarnate 12/27/20 3:50:24 PM #16: |
Essentially you have the right to remain silent. Anything you can say can and will be used against you regardless of context. At times, it's a safer approach to say nothing at all opposed to saying something that may be misconstrued in an unintentional way.
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Bad_Mojo 12/27/20 3:51:46 PM #17: |
TreyFlowers posted...
I'm watching Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich on Netflix and when they ask him certain questions in his deposition, he says he will assert his fifth amendment rights, and googling, that means you don't have to answer legal questions if the answer will incriminate yourself. The Jury, by law, has to use the facts when deciding the case. They can't make assumptions like that. Yes, in a way that is very true, but you can't use that as evidence. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CanuckCowboy 12/27/20 3:52:24 PM #18: |
I've taken to watching audit the audit on youtube lately. They're all American vids but some are really interesting.
It deals entirely with the minutiae of law and grades the police and civilians on the interaction. There's on where a cop literally arrests a kid and says "we'll make it up on the way," because the kid was dating the cops 18 year old daughter and the cop heard she'd been staying at his place. So he camped out in front of the house and waited to arrest him and find his daughter. --- "A dope trailers no place for a kitty, Ricky. Thats why." https://files.catbox.moe/gqwlkg.jpeg ~ by JimCarrysToe. Be amaze. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Colorahdo 12/27/20 3:53:25 PM #19: |
It's more like "I know you're here to twist my words against me, so I choose not to speak to you"
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Crazyman93 12/27/20 11:36:14 PM #20: |
MabusIncarnate posted...
Anything you can say can and will be used against you regardless of context.However, nothing you say can be used for you. Yeah, always refuse to speak without a lawyer. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CanuckCowboy 12/29/20 5:44:18 PM #21: |
I was kinda hoping someone else would watch audit the audit and find him interesting.
Lol. Oh well. --- "A dope trailers no place for a kitty, Ricky. Thats why." https://files.catbox.moe/gqwlkg.jpeg ~ by JimCarrysToe. Be amaze. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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geno_16 12/29/20 6:08:21 PM #22: |
TreyFlowers posted...
Again, not American, but yeahYou say this like this is a uniquely American concept. It's not. It originated in England and most countries today have some sort of right against self-incrimination. Even China technically has one. I'm sure whatever country you're from has one too. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 12/30/20 8:25:38 PM #24: |
You may not incriminate yourself nor may you serve as a witness against yourself.
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Hexenherz 12/30/20 8:30:43 PM #25: |
It's like.
Maybe there's an eyewitness that says they saw someone that kind of matches your description killing the victim. Then they ask you, "were you there with the victim the night of the crime?" And you can say "Yes" and that's basically gonna seal your guilt. Or you can say "No" and your attorney can say "yeah like look at juror number 8, he matches the description, too. Doesn't seem like very credible testimony" and then they plant that seed of doubt in the jury. --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) | RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unsugarized_Foo 12/30/20 8:38:24 PM #26: |
It's there because our court system is adversarial.
It's to prevent being bullied, lying due to fear, or whatever It's a trap card that summons your lawyer when in need --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana ... Copied to Clipboard!
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