Current Events > New Trump admin rule could cost waiters $700 million

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https://news.yahoo.com/trump-rule-could-cost-waiters-022141919.html?ncid=twitter_yahoonewst_sjwumo1bpf4

A new rule rolled out in the final days of the Trump administration would allow restaurants to pull tips from their waitstaff to pay cooks and other employees, putting more cash in the pockets of owners while forcing front-of-house staffers to do more work for less money.

Employers have been allowed to pool tips and share them among employees who typically receive them. The 148-page regulation published Tuesday by the Department of Labor would expand that, allowing restaurants to pay the wages of cooks and dishwashers with money earned by those waiting tables.

The regulation would also do away with the so-called 80-20 rule, in which tipped employees - who can earn as little as $2.13 an hour from their employer as long as their tips get them to the federal minimum wage of $7.25 - can't be asked to spend more than 20% of their shift performing nontipped work, like rolling silverware or cleaning. The new standard would be "reasonable time" spent doing such things.

"It's totally ambiguous and makes it extremely difficult to enforce," Heidi Shierholz, the director of policy at the center-left Economic Policy Institute, told Business Insider.

The Trump administration said it was introducing the regulation to improve equality.

Cheryl Stanton, an administrator at the Department of Labor, said it "could increase pay for back-of-the-house workers, like cooks and dishwashers," and "reduce wage disparities among all workers who contribute to customers' experience."

But experts say this would be achieved at the expense of employees.

In a 2019 analysis, EPI estimated that the regulation would cost workers $700 million a year and, by doing away with the 80-20 rule, encourage employers to rely more heavily on tipped labor. Why pay cleaning staff the federal minimum wage when tipped employees, who cost a fraction of that, could be asked to do the job instead?

"It's really, really clear this is about the interests of corporate executives and shareholders. Like, that is what's driving this," Shierholz said.

"If there really was a strong interest in reducing inequality and raising the wages of the lowest-paid workers, they would be pushing tooth and nail to raise the minimum wage," Shierholz added.

"There is a direct way to do this," Shierholz said, "instead of saying, 'Oh, we're going to raise the wages of the lowest-paid workers by taking from the wages of the second-lowest-paid workers.'"

It is notable that it was not labor advocates but their bosses who lobbied for the change.

"The food service industry supports the Department's proposed rule," lawyers for the Restaurant Law Center and the National Restaurant Association said last year when the change was being developed. They billed it as deregulation and an end to bureaucrats "trying to micromanage restaurant work."

The new regulation isn't set to take effect for 60 days. It's possible that President-elect Joe Biden and his team could postpone its implementation, though it's unclear whether they would. A representative for the Biden-Harris transition team did not return a request for comment.

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Is this deregulation

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So antifar hates cooks and dishwashers and thinks they are subhuman and deserve nothing

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Trumps war on tipping

nfearurspecimn posted...

I think you're reading into things wrongly.

Nope. Mr I post my Facebook friends on ce without their consent because that's how you respect women thinks it's bad if tips get shared with the rest of the staff.

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Isn't taking money from one group and giving it to another the Republican definition of socialism?

fair next

Hooray for fucking over tipped workers

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Ruvan22 posted...

Isn't taking money from one group and giving it to another the Republican definition of socialism?

Let's not pretend they understand what that word means. They've been practicing socialism for the past 20 years. They take our money and give it to corporations. Corporate Welfare is going to be the death of this country.
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Dragon239 posted...

Is this deregulation

No. Just changing the regulations.
Ruvan22 posted...

Isn't taking money from one group and giving it to another the Republican definition of socialism?

Yes.

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so the tip goes to all the people who do the work now instead of just some of them...?

Tipping culture should be done away with period and replaced with a livable minimum wage. Absent of that though, I never knew why the waitstaff got all the tips while the cooks (e.g. the people who did the actual work) walk away with nothing except their base pay.

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Fam_Fam posted...

so the tip goes to all the people who do the work now instead of just some of them...?

The tip goes to the people who making minimum wage already instead of the people making $2.13 an hour.
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SevenTenths posted...

Nope. Mr I post my Facebook friends on ce without their consent because that's how you respect women thinks it's bad if tips get shared with the rest of the staff.

Lmao

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harley2280 posted...

The tip goes to the people who making minimum wage already instead of the people making $2.13 an hour.

FoH will almost always make more than min wage BoH (like at least half are min wage) if the restaurant is worth it's salt

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

FoH will almost always make more than min wage BoH (like at least half are min wage) if the restaurant is worth it's salt

Don't worry, this new rule will also cut down the amount of time FoH staff are interacting with customers to decrease their tip pay further

harley2280 posted...

Let's not pretend they understand what that word means. They've been practicing socialism for the past 20 years. They take our money and give it to corporations.

Let's not pretend that you understand what it means either

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Fam_Fam posted...

so the tip goes to all the people who do the work now instead of just some of them...?

Not exactly: it allows managers to pay the wages of cooks and other non-tipped staff with tips, rather than it having to be "on top" of their wages.
So it basically lets them cover their labor expenses by taking money out of their workers' pockets. In addition to enabling management to force people who're supposed to be making money from tips to do more non-tipped labor at the ridiculously low tipped minimum wage.

scar the 1 posted...

harley2280 posted...

Let's not pretend they understand what that word means. They've been practicing socialism for the past 20 years. They take our money and give it to corporations.

Let's not pretend that you understand what it means either

I certainly have a better understanding of it than the GOP.
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harley2280 posted...

I certainly have a better understanding of it than the GOP.

You didn't demonstrate that in this topic

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scar the 1 posted...

harley2280 posted...

I certainly have a better understanding of it than the GOP.

You didn't demonstrate that in this topic

Okay. Break it down. Tell me what the difference is.
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harley2280 posted...

Okay. Break it down. Tell me what the difference is.

The difference between...?

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scar I see why he's responding that way, ya kinda came off as attacking him

scar the 1 posted...

harley2280 posted...

Okay. Break it down. Tell me what the difference is.

The difference between...?

The difference between socialism and my statement.
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He's gonna need a much healthier sense of paranoia once he's booted out of office.

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Seems bad imo

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harley2280 posted...

The difference between socialism and my statement.

Let me get this straight then. The way I read your statement is that the GOP is "practicing socialism" by taking your (not sure who this is referring to? People? Workers?) money and giving it to corporations (clarify please. Corporate accounts? Shareholders?).

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This will hopefully be rolled back by Biden's DOL.

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scar the 1 posted...

harley2280 posted...

The difference between socialism and my statement.

Let me get this straight then. The way I read your statement is that the GOP is "practicing socialism" by taking your (not sure who this is referring to? People? Workers?) money and giving it to corporations (clarify please. Corporate accounts? Shareholders?).

So you're admitting that you don't understand how taxes and subsidies work?

The government reassigns our money to corporations through subsidies instead of allowing the market the choice to assign wealth to the business.

The reassignment of wealth is socialism 101.
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harley2280 posted...

So you're admitting that you don't understand how taxes and subsidies work?

The government reassigns our money to corporations through subsidies instead of allowing the market the choice to assign wealth to the business.

The reassignment of wealth is socialism 101.

No, I'm admitting that you're not being perfectly clear in what you are saying, so I figured I'd ask you to clarify before I answer your question.

And no, redistribution of wealth is not the same thing as socialism. It's something that happens in a lot of economic systems, so it's not even a component that is unique to socialism. This is why I said we shouldn't pretend you know what the word means either, because you just demonstrated that you don't.

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scar the 1 posted...

harley2280 posted...

So you're admitting that you don't understand how taxes and subsidies work?

The government reassigns our money to corporations through subsidies instead of allowing the market the choice to assign wealth to the business.

The reassignment of wealth is socialism 101.

No, I'm admitting that you're not being perfectly clear in what you are saying, so I figured I'd ask you to clarify before I answer your question.

And no, redistribution of wealth is not the same thing as socialism. It's something that happens in a lot of economic systems, so it's not even a component that is unique to socialism. This is why I said we shouldn't pretend you know what the word means either, because you just demonstrated that you don't.

Again explain the how the redistribution of wealth is not a part of socialism? It's literally the biggest part of it the GOP screams about.

So go ahead give us your dissertation about how they're not related.
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*they're

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nfearurspecimn posted...

*they're

Fixed.
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Captain_Qwark posted...

Cooks deserve tips more than waitresses do. They should be strictly hourly. Cooks should be hourly + tips.

Taking an order, asking for refills and bringing the check isn't anything deserving of a tip. Making good food is

Not really. Unless you're the head chef of a non chain you're just following a predefined recipe. Dealing with people is a skill set in and of itself.
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ElatedVenusaur posted...

Not exactly: it allows managers to pay the wages of cooks and other non-tipped staff with tips, rather than it having to be "on top" of their wages.
So it basically lets them cover their labor expenses by taking money out of their workers' pockets. In addition to enabling management to force people who're supposed to be making money from tips to do more non-tipped labor at the ridiculously low tipped minimum wage.

So it makes stealing legal for certain people.

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harley2280 posted...

Again explain the how the redistribution of wealth is not a part of socialism? It's literally the biggest part of it the GOP screams about.

So go ahead give us your dissertation about how they're not related.

Pretty much every country on Earth does redistribution of wealth in some way. That doesn't make them socialist.
Socialism is fundamentally about the people who generate wealth (workers) being in power, i.e., owning the means of production, as opposed to capitalists owning them. At least skim the introduction of the Wikipedia entry before you decide to die on the "wealth redistribution is socialism" hill.

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scar the 1 posted...

harley2280 posted...

Again explain the how the redistribution of wealth is not a part of socialism? It's literally the biggest part of it the GOP screams about.

So go ahead give us your dissertation about how they're not related.

Pretty much every country on Earth does redistribution of wealth in some way. That doesn't make them socialist.
Socialism is fundamentally about the people who generate wealth (workers) being in power, i.e., owning the means of production, as opposed to capitalists owning them. At least skim the introduction of the Wikipedia entry before you decide to die on the "wealth redistribution is socialism" hill.

I don't think you understand what is going on here. My entire point was the GOP screams redistribution of wealth is socialism so according to their definition they've been doing it for years and years. Then I gave an example applying their definition of it.

I'm not arguing what socialism actually is or isn't.
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Captain_Qwark posted...

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They more likely to not come back if the food was bad wdym?

And "good service" is just basic shit. Take order on time. Ask for refills at least once or twice. Bring check.

That's good service to most people and it's just doing the bare minimum of the job.

It's very clear you have never worked in a restaurant.
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Oh, it seems I don't. To me it looked like you didn't know either. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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If they really wanted to improve equality, they would pay all staff a livable minimum wage, instead of the federal minimum requirement. Taking pooled tips to pay people for their work, as opposed to just giving them an actual livable wage is fucking stupid.

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scar the 1 posted...

Oh, it seems I don't. To me it looked like you didn't know either. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Yeah sorry for coming off as aggressive. I probably should have clarified before I gave that example.
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Instead of pooling just the tips they should pool all the income made and split it
;^J

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Captain_Qwark posted...

harley2280 posted...

It's very clear you have never worked in a restaurant.

Explain why you think they deserve it over cooks when most people's expectation of good service is basic shit?

So is most people's expectation of "good food". Balancing 10 tables on a busy night is much harder than microwaving appetizers in the back, and throwing a steak on the oven for a few minutes.
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dont wait staff work for tips because of laws saying they dont have to be paid min wage and most make like 2 to 3 dollars an hour