Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 354: Josh and Ted's Seditious Adventure

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Xeybozn
01/06/21 12:36:22 PM
#251:


UshiromiyaEva posted...

They gotta be careful there because there is a portion of their base that believes they're actually being genuine, but if they start objecting to California it's going to lose them when they realize they're just bullshitting.

If they don't object to California and such, they'll lose the part of their base that genuinely believes Trump won every state.
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Suprak the Stud
01/06/21 12:36:48 PM
#252:


True Trumpers do think they won California and NY. Like, the people that want the objections to occur think California and NY are both red and would be reliable republican if not for rampant cheating.

That isn't an exaggeration. They think there are like a couple of blue states in the northeast and DC and that's about it. They'd eat it up if they objected to California.

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Inviso
01/06/21 12:37:32 PM
#253:


Suprak the Stud posted...
There just aren't moderate republicans in purple states any more. They've all been booted. There are republicans in purple states but they either are retiring, not moderate, or just won reelection (or some combination of those three).

There are only six senators left that represent a party opposite the one that won their state in the 2020 presidential election. I just don't think there is going to be a lot of pressure for them to do anything other than toe the party line.

Susan Collins (ME), Jon Tester (MT), Joe Manchin (WV), Sherrod Brown (OH), Pat Toomey (PA), Ron Johnson (WI)

Yeah, that doesn't look great, since Tester and Manchin are fighting to hold seats in red states, and Collins just held a seat in a blue state.

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Forceful_Dragon
01/06/21 12:37:51 PM
#254:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Losing the senate in 2 years? Am I remembering wrong I thought the senate map in 2022 was crushing for republicans

Don't forget the possibility of DC and PR statehood. Free senators! =P

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xp1337
01/06/21 12:38:11 PM
#255:


California is where the Dems put all their fake votes to win the popular vote instead of putting them in swing states though! Why wouldn't they object to it? /s

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Xeybozn
01/06/21 12:39:42 PM
#256:


Forceful_Dragon posted...

Don't forget the possibility of DC and PR statehood. Free senators! =P

Maybe we should forget it. If we don't get our hopes up, it won't hurt as much when the Democrats don't even try to make it happen.
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Lightning Strikes
01/06/21 12:46:19 PM
#257:


Its real weird that DC and PR statehood is considered unlikely - they voted for it, as far as I can tell most people in the US think it should happen, and its hard to imagine objections beyond but it helps the Democrats. It just seems like the right thing to do setting the senate seats aside. There shouldnt be anybody opposed to that, it should have started to happen when the referendums passed the first time.

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xp1337
01/06/21 12:47:17 PM
#258:


FWIW, Biden echoed support for DC statehood during the campaign.

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/06/21 12:51:25 PM
#259:


It's not even clear PR statehood would definitely benefit Democrats either due to how their political parties work. That won't stop the GOP from objecting to it though because there is little for them to gain and more to lose.

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xp1337
01/06/21 12:52:23 PM
#260:


PR statehood is part of the GOP platform!

(You're correct that that doesn't matter but this is how absurd it is)

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Lightning Strikes
01/06/21 12:54:21 PM
#261:


I checked, apparently Americans have consistently supported Puerto Rican statehood with absolute majorities for nearly 60 years. DC is more complicated - most oppose until you tell them how many people are there, and then most support. Thats pretty funny.

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Peace___Frog
01/06/21 12:57:59 PM
#262:


Iirc most Puerto Ricans are social conservative so the gop wouldn't be completely at a loss there

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Corrik7
01/06/21 12:58:17 PM
#263:


https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1346866862563487745

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Xeybozn
01/06/21 1:02:42 PM
#264:


Lightning Strikes posted...
DC is more complicated - most oppose until you tell them how many people are there, and then most support. Thats pretty funny.

It's less about how big DC is and more about finding out that DC has no real representation at all. If more people knew about that instead of assuming it's just a city in Maryland and/or Virginia trying to get extra senators, statehood would poll a lot better. (Though you'd still have Republicans and non-Republican racists completely against it.)
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UshiromiyaEva
01/06/21 1:06:56 PM
#265:


Just let Biden get the messaging out that D.C. and PR would likely end up an R/D wash.

Declaring them both simultaneously could work!
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UshiromiyaEva
01/06/21 1:11:05 PM
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ChaosTonyV4
01/06/21 1:14:02 PM
#267:


The PredictIt market on if Pence is going to announce Biden as the winner is fluctuating like crazy right now.

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Crescent-Moon
01/06/21 1:14:30 PM
#268:


Time for the outright display of treason while Democrats just sit back and watch the Republicans crush each other~

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xp1337
01/06/21 1:14:37 PM
#269:


Here we go.

Alabama and Alaska accepted without objection.

Arizona objected. Republicans give a standing ovation how pathetic and disgusting.

Joint session breaking as both chambers debate separately.

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Crescent-Moon
01/06/21 1:15:21 PM
#270:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
The PredictIt market on if Pence is going to announce Biden as the winner is fluctuating like crazy right now.
Pence will do his job.

And probably for the first time get just a little of my respect.

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xp1337
01/06/21 1:17:16 PM
#271:


Pence's office put out a statement a little while ago that basically said "this isn't my problem yo" indicating he'll do his job.

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Crescent-Moon
01/06/21 1:19:07 PM
#272:


Still though, it's pretty scary how much this lays the foundation for any party to successfully stage a coup if they own both houses.

I feel like we should probably get rid of this process before that actually happens.

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Crescent-Moon
01/06/21 1:24:11 PM
#273:


The very first Republican to speak basically said the founding fathers supported dictatorship.

Here we go!

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xp1337
01/06/21 1:24:19 PM
#274:


House clerk read who signed the AZ objection (joint session clerk didn't or else I didn't hear): Gosar (R-AZ) was the rep, Cruz was the Senator.

Scalise is the first House Rep to argue the "case"

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LordoftheMorons
01/06/21 1:25:23 PM
#275:


xp1337 posted...
House clerk read who signed the AZ objection (joint session clerk didn't or else I didn't hear): Gosar (R-AZ) was the rep, Cruz was the Senator.
In case anyone has forgotten, Gosar is the guy whose family literally made an ad for his opponent because he was such a lunatic

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LordoftheMorons
01/06/21 1:27:26 PM
#276:


https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1346826021878829056

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Wanglicious
01/06/21 1:29:16 PM
#277:


...er... the ones in charge of my heart will go on will DMCA anything.
that'll be an interesting one.


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swordz9
01/06/21 1:29:17 PM
#278:


Wow I didnt think cable tv was allowed to show somebody getting their dick sucked, but here we are
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ChaosTonyV4
01/06/21 1:29:27 PM
#279:


If Mike Pence shows a spine for the very first time when Ive got money riding on it Im gonna be very upset.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/06/21 1:31:56 PM
#280:


Was just reminded that Twitter intends to delete Trump's account in the 21st.

Good times.
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Jakyl25
01/06/21 1:32:07 PM
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RaidenGarai
01/06/21 1:32:31 PM
#282:


https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346881968819105792?s=20

Completely normal

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UshiromiyaEva
01/06/21 1:32:35 PM
#283:


Also I can't actually watch this right now, anyone got a loveblog?
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xp1337
01/06/21 1:32:40 PM
#284:


I mean, I guess Pence could claim he's left his oven on and make Grassley do it but his statement slammed the door on Trump's "Pence can unilaterally overturn the election" thing.

tl;dr it basically said "under the law if there's a dispute it must be solved by the elected representatives democratically" aka "y'all crazy i have no power here i am glorified scoreboard display"

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ChaosTonyV4
01/06/21 1:34:28 PM
#285:


xp1337 posted...
I mean, I guess Pence could claim he's left his oven on and make Grassley do it but his statement slammed the door on Trump's "Pence can unilaterally overturn the election" thing.

tl;dr it basically said "under the law if there's a dispute it must be solved by the elected representatives democratically" aka "y'all crazy i have no power here i am glorified scoreboard display"

Luckily for me, the wording of the market is basically Pence will announce the winner, so if he just merely abstains from actually saying Joe Biden will be the next President Im hoping thats a win.

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Lightning Strikes
01/06/21 1:34:41 PM
#286:


RaidenGarai posted...
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346881968819105792?s=20

Completely normal

I love claiming to be protecting democracy while actively attempting a coup of a democratically elected government.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/06/21 1:35:32 PM
#287:


RaidenGarai posted...
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346881968819105792?s=20

Completely normal

This is 25 minutes ago, so guess nothing came of this?

I mean, in regards to immediate danger of course.
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red sox 777
01/06/21 1:36:17 PM
#288:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Luckily for me, the wording of the market is basically Pence will announce the winner, so if he just merely abstains from actually saying Joe Biden will be the next President Im hoping thats a win.

This is a terrible bet.

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Jakyl25
01/06/21 1:37:14 PM
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LordoftheMorons
01/06/21 1:38:30 PM
#290:


https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1346888029210877954?s=12

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Crescent-Moon
01/06/21 1:39:09 PM
#291:


I'd be perfectly alright if all those people end up shot by the authorities in self-defense.

They are openly committing a violent act of treason.

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red sox 777
01/06/21 1:40:17 PM
#292:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/eggerdc/status/1346884987715465219?s=21

So much for the tolerant right

This is what the radical left did in France in 1793 (the mob succeeded in arresting enough moderate members of the National Assembly to gain a majority). Our founding fathers would be appalled by this attempt.

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xp1337
01/06/21 1:40:33 PM
#293:


UshiromiyaEva posted...


This is 25 minutes ago, so guess nothing came of this?

I mean, in regards to immediate danger of course.
I think part of the Capitol has been evacuated. The Library of Congress at least. House and Senate are proceeding as if nothing happened fwiw.

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Lightning Strikes
01/06/21 1:40:58 PM
#294:


The police ideally shouldnt shoot anyone. Lone exception for active gunmen and similar.

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Leafeon13N
01/06/21 1:41:13 PM
#295:


This is a world McConnell helped to foster as much as anyone. Fuck him.
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Jakyl25
01/06/21 1:41:28 PM
#296:


Crescent-Moon posted...
I'd be perfectly alright if all those people end up shot by the authorities in self-defense.

They are openly committing a violent act of treason.


The police are treating them with kid gloves so far. Well see if that continues
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Crescent-Moon
01/06/21 1:41:59 PM
#297:


Lightning Strikes posted...
The police ideally shouldnt shoot anyone. Lone exception for active gunmen and similar.
Ideally yes, but in this case I wouldn't mind. The level of danger they are posing is extremely high. I think it's justifiable at this point.

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LordoftheMorons
01/06/21 1:44:16 PM
#298:


Leafeon13N posted...
This is a world McConnell helped to foster as much as anyone. Fuck him.
I dont disagree!

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UshiromiyaEva
01/06/21 1:44:25 PM
#299:


I think the issue is that there are almost certainly a large number of people in the crowd packing.

With those types of crowds, all it takes is for one gun to fall off of someone's person and go off.
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UshiromiyaEva
01/06/21 1:46:21 PM
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