Current Events > It's time for the District of Columbia to become a state

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100% of remotely honest and informed people believe that it is the ethically correct thing to do. Now that democrats have a simple majority, that's technically enough. They should make it a point to do so, so that close to a million people can gain their proper representation

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I want this to get done more than anything else in these two years

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But where would they put the military post, silly?? DC is soooo little!

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exactly

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The District of Columbia is just over 68 square miles. By comparison, Rhode Island, the smallest state in the country, is approximately 1,212 square miles. Makes no sense for a piece of land that small to become it's own state.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

The District of Columbia is just over 68 square miles. By comparison, Rhode Island, the smallest state in the country, is approximately 1,212 square miles. Makes no sense for a piece of land that small to become it's own state.

then why do states like north and South Dakota exist, I think my zip code has more people than both combined

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700,000 people that have laws they voted for cancelled out by a governing body they have literally no voice in is an issue that must be fixed.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

then why do states like north and South Dakota exist, I think my zip code has more people than both combined

Population size alone doesn't dictate what becomes a state. Hell let's just make LA, Houston, and Chicago their own states then right? That sounds ridiculous because it is.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Population size alone doesn't dictate what becomes a state. Hell let's just make LA, Houston, and Chicago their own states then right? That sounds ridiculous because it is.

You realize there are countries that are smaller than DC right

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RebelElite791 posted...

You realize there are countries that are smaller than DC right

We aren't talking about tiny meaningless nations that have nothing to do with the USA. No state is even close to being as small as DOC, and that's how it should stay.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

We aren't talking about tiny meaningless nations that have nothing to do with the USA. No state is even close to being as small as DOC, and that's how it should stay.

Bigger GDP than many states with a larger size too. Shut the fuck up

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I'm all for it. Lack of land mass is the dumbest thing I've seen since that idiot Trumper saying Washington state is a red state because more of the land mass voted red regardless of the general population voting blue. Land is red so it shouldn't matter that more people voted blue.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Population size alone doesn't dictate what becomes a state. Hell let's just make LA, Houston, and Chicago their own states then right? That sounds ridiculous because it is.

What a dumb fucking post.

Those are all part of a state already. DC is not, and doesnt have the same representation.

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Nah 51 states just sounds dumb

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Eliza3 posted...

What a dumb fucking post.

Those are all part of a state already. DC is not, and doesnt have the same representation.

If you want those people to have the same representation as all the other states then simply cede the land thats not part of the federal enclave back to Maryland. You don't need to create some micro-state that has the same voting power in the Senate as all the other 50 (much, much larger) states.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

You don't need to create some micro-state that has the same voting power in the Senate as all the other 50 (much, much larger) states.
E-A-G-L-E-S

RebelElite791 posted...

Bigger GDP than many states with a larger size too. Shut the fuck up

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gafemaqs posted...

Nah 51 states just sounds dumb

i think the agreement is to slice off florida bugs bunny style

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Has a bigger population and a bigger GDP than Wyoming. Why does Wyoming deserve statehood more simply because of its geographical size?

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

If you want those people to have the same representation as all the other states then simply cede the land thats not part of the federal enclave back to Maryland. You don't need to create some micro-state that has the same voting power in the Senate as all the other 50 (much, much larger) states.

Youve presented no valid reason to deny statehood to DC other than land size. What is so important about land size? Where is that dictated in the constitution?

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RebelElite791 posted...

Has a bigger population and a bigger GDP than Wyoming. Why does Wyoming deserve statehood more simply because of its geographical size?

Los Angeles has a bigger GDP than Wyoming. Why does Wyoming deserve statehood simply because of its geographical size? You see how dumb that is.

LA is part of California right? Well, DOC voters could become part of Maryland. Boom problem solved.

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Eliza3 posted...

Youve presented no valid reason to deny statehood to DC other than land size. What is so important about land size? Where is that dictated in the constitution?

Our Founding Fathers intentionally wanted Washington, D.C. to be a district, NOT a state. In fact, they carefully crafted the Constitution so the seat of our federal government would not be located in (and therefore possibly partial to) any one state. That was smart.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Los Angeles has a bigger GDP than Wyoming. Why does Wyoming deserve statehood simply because of its geographical size? You see how dumb that is.

LA is part of California right? Well, DOC voters could become part of Maryland. Boom problem solved.

If LA wasn't part of a current state and needed representation I'd support giving them statehood too. Thanks for playing.

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RebelElite791 posted...

If LA wasn't part of a current state and needed representation I'd support giving them statehood too. Thanks for playing.

So why are you opposed to DOC voters being integrated into Maryland as I suggested? They would get representation just like every other citizen in the country.

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Because you cant force a state to take on new territory, you clown.

Its in that constitution that you care so much about

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gafemaqs posted...

Nah 51 states just sounds dumb

I agree. They should make Puerto Rico a state too.

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gafemaqs posted...

Nah 51 states just sounds dumb

We can add Guam, Puerto Rico and Samoa too.

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They have electors. They should have statehood.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Our Founding Fathers intentionally wanted Washington, D.C. to be a district, NOT a state. In fact, they carefully crafted the Constitution so the seat of our federal government would not be located in (and therefore possibly partial to) any one state. That was smart.

The founding fathers desires are not the foundation of the government, unless theyre written in the constitution.

DC residents have overwhelmingly voted for statehood when it has been brought forth. All land in DC that doesnt house a federal building can be a part of the new state. Its not difficult to understand.

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FlameTurtle posted...

Because you cant force a state to take on new territory, you clown.

Its in that constitution that you care so much about

Our Founding Fathers intentionally wanted Washington, D.C. to be a district, NOT a state. In fact, they carefully crafted the Constitution so the seat of our federal government would not be located in (and therefore possibly partial to) any one state. Therefore the capitol can't become it's own state according to the constitution. I was just trying to compromise.

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Eliza3 posted...

The founding fathers desires are not the foundation of the government, unless theyre written in the constitution.

DC residents have overwhelmingly voted for statehood when it has been brought forth. All land in DC that doesnt house a federal building can be a part of the new state. Its not difficult to understand.

Again the constitution was designed so that the capitol of our country was a DISTRICT not a STATE. It's not about the buildings, it's about that entire area. Creating a new state is the exact opposite of what they wanted when they created the constitution.

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Our founding fathers also thought that women shouldnt be able to vote, so they can get fucked

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The Founding Fathers also wanted the Senate to be chosen by state governments, but we threw that out over 100 years ago. This is not a religious document we're talking about here.

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Who tf gives a shit about what the founding fathers want? Those fuckers are dead.
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This heavy d guy has been defending the dumbest fucking shit since a bit before the failed coup happened, i don't think he's arguing in good faith.

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Request to get that guy's username changed because he is smearing shit all over Heavy D's name

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Jabodie posted...

The Founding Fathers also wanted the Senate to be chosen by state governments, but we threw that out over 100 years ago. This is not a religious document we're talking about here.

Ah ok here we go, let's just start changing anything we want to suit our own political interests. That's a nah from me dog, I care about the country more than any 1 party or their interests.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Again the constitution was designed so that the capitol of our country was a DISTRICT not a STATE. It's not about the buildings, it's about that entire area. Creating a new state is the exact opposite of what they wanted when they created the constitution.

Good thing the founding fathers are dead and don't get to vote now, huh?

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Ah ok here we go, let's just start changing anything we want to suit our own political interests. That's a nah from me dog, I care about the country more than any 1 party or their interests.

Lmao you suggested DC become a part of Maryland. You don't give a shit about constitutional integrity. You're just terrified of the Senate getting another 2 guaranteed blue seats.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Ah ok here we go, let's just start changing anything we want to suit our own political interests. That's a nah from me dog, I care about the country more than any 1 party or their interests.

How do you think the constitution came to have so many amendments? They weren't there in the original...

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Eliza3 posted...

Lmao you suggested DC become a part of Maryland. You don't give a shit about constitutional integrity. You're just terrified of the Senate getting another 2 guaranteed blue seats.

I only brought up Maryland because I was trying to compromise with the people who were complaining about representation.

I don't think DOC should have 2 Senate seats no matter what color they are. It's 68 miles and I've already established why the Constitution was written so the capitol would not be a state as to not show bias.

It sounds like you want to trash the constitution and the fundamentals of how this country was created just because you want your party of choice to have a little more power. That's very biased thinking.

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powerman1426 posted...

How do you think the constitution came to have so many amendments? They weren't there in the original...

Legit if the Government goes through the process to create an amendment that would create a new state for the District of Columbia and it passes all necessary constitutuonal procedures I would be totally fine with that. I just want things done the right way.

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Guys, I'm gonna throw a shocker at you. Modern society is a little bit different now than it was when the constitution was created. I think revising things written by men that thought human slavery was okay is permissible.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Ah ok here we go, let's just start changing anything we want to suit our own political interests. That's a nah from me dog, I care about the country more than any 1 party or their interests.

So let's return to the actual principle of the argument: what actual issues would arise from making DC a state? On what principle should they not be represented in Congress? Specifically. Why does it being small mean it should not be a state? What's the minimum land area that should be required and why? In what significant ways would DC be disproportionately favored by its citizens receiving representation in Congress? And why are they good enough reasons to deny to continue to deny representation of DC's citizens? How would the United States as an institution be degraded in any way?

I am genuinely interested in your response to these questions so please @ me when you respond.

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Ah I see, you just want an amendment. Alright, never mind. I wrote that post assuming the amendment process was a given.

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Jabodie posted...

Ah I see, you just want an amendment. Alright, never mind. I wrote that post assuming the amendment process was a given.

It's cool man I was writing an answer to your post anyways.

Specifically I want an amendment because the Justice Department under both Democratic and Republican administrations has consistently agreed that statehood for the District requires a constitutional amendment. It cannot be done by mere majority vote in Congress.

As for everything else like size, I think it's just a slippery slope for 2 reasons.
1.) The place where all federal decisions are made should be independent of any state policies. I don't trust either party very much and I can see them looking for loopholes to cause as much fuckery as possible.

2.) If we let a 68 mile sized area easily become a state I can forsee some places where radicals from either side could want to succeed from their state and be granted their own statehood for whatever crazy reason they see fit. Again it goes back to pure fuckery because people are too insane to be trusted.

I just think issues like this are extremely complicated and should be handled delicately and properly. Saying "Let's just create a new state!" like it's some easy peasy process sounds crazy/scary to me. Maybe that's not what other posters meant, but that's just how it came across to me.

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Ah yes, people are going to secede from the US and then immediately ask to rejoin again is definitely a very reasonable fear that a serious person would have

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FlameTurtle posted...

Ah yes, people are going to secede from the US and then immediately ask to rejoin again is definitely a very reasonable fear that a serious person would have

Let's see we have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement) I see this stupid flag all over Seattle like it actually means something lol

I know Texas was threatening to do it, and I'm pretty sure New York talked about it as well. Let's just pretend that never happened though right? You know what I don't even care because clearly you are dead set in your thoughts and aren't open to any other viewpoints.

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Whoa, Im sure that theyre gonna break away any day now!

You clown

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FlameTurtle posted...

Whoa, Im sure that theyre gonna break away any day now!

You clown

Have fun continuing to ignore everything you disagree with and keep hoping for them to throw out the constitution and redo everything exactly the way YOU want it lol

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