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UnfairRepresent 01/07/21 3:10:50 AM #1:	Should they be allowed to do this? Yes, it's their private property they can host or not host whatever they like. No, that's discrimination! Should they be allowed to do this? - Results (73 votes) Yes, it's their private property they can host or not host whatever they like. 64.38% (47 votes) 47 No, that's discrimination! 35.62% (26 votes) 26 The newly engaged couple Kasey Mayfield and Brianna May did not expect to ignite an online backlash when they shared on Facebook a recent email exchange that Mayfield had with an employee at a North Carolina wedding venue. In the exchange, Mayfield mentions potential wedding dates, the estimated number of guests and the other bride. In response, the venue informed her that The Warehouse on Ivy in Winston-Salem does not host same sex marriage ceremonies. If youre wondering how wedding planning is going...thanks so much to The Warehouse on Ivy for letting us know were not welcome, I was kind of speechless, Mayfield said of reading the email. I just had to like hand the phone over to Bri when I got it. I had hoped that this wouldn't happen in North Carolina, but I thought there was a chance it may. I didn't expect it from a venue in Winston, added Mayfield, 25, who has lived in the area for the past 10 years. May, 29, was born and raised in Winston-Salem. The couple met on the dating app Bumble over two years ago and got engaged last month while listening to their favorite album, Golden Hour by Kacey Musgraves. They had only just started planning for their wedding, which they hope to hold in the fall of 2022. Mayfield said she and May first heard of The Warehouse on Ivy through the online wedding resource Wedding Wire. The venue did not tell May and Mayfield why it does not host same-sex marriage ceremonies. However, in an email exchange with NBC News, the same email account, which lists the senders name as Daniel Stanley, confirmed the couples assumptions surrounding the decision. We will allow anyone of any color, race, religion or belief to use our venue at any given time, the email stated. Although we love and respect everyone in our community, their own decision making and beliefs, we also strongly believe in our Christian values. According to North Carolina incorporation filings, The Warehouse on Ivy is owned by STC Properties of Forsyth County and lists Thomas Collins and Scott Sechler as the companys managers. Reporting from The Winston-Salem Monthly, which features interviews with the Sechler family about the recently opened venue, confirms Sechlers ownership. Multiple attempts to reach Sechler and Collins were unsuccessful, and by Monday the venue had taken down its Facebook and Instagram pages. The issue of where anti-discrimination laws begin and First Amendment and religious liberty rights end remains something of an open question legally and much of it depends on state law. In the high-profile 2018 case Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, the Supreme Court narrowly ruled in favor of Christian baker Jack Phillips, who refused to make a cake for a same-sex wedding. But instead of answering the fundamental question of whether it is legal to discriminate based on sexual orientation, the high court simply found that Phillips concerns werent fairly considered by Colorado officials. In a similar case, the Washington Supreme Court ruled in 2019 that Arlene Stutzman, owner of Arlenes Flowers, was in violation of that states anti-discrimination law for refusing to provide flowers for a gay couples wedding ceremony. The shop has appealed, for the second time, to the Supreme Court. Its petition is pending. Unlike Colorado and Washington state, however, North Carolina along with 22 other states across the U.S. does not have a law explicitly banning discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity in public accommodations, according to Movement Advancement Project, an LGBTQ think tank. And until this month, the state had a moratorium on cities passing their own nondiscrimination protections. With no explicit state protections and no federal legislation banning anti-LGBTQ discrimination in public accommodations, a state like North Carolina leaves little room for legal recourse, according to Paul Smith, a Georgetown Law School professor who argued the landmark 2003 LGBTQ rights case Lawrence v. Texas before the Supreme Court. The only shot would seem to be finding a state law that prohibits sex discrimination in the provision of goods and services and then convincing North Carolina to read sex discrimination in its law as broadly as the majority did in Bostock [v. Clayton County, Georgia], Smith said, referring to the landmark ruling this year that found that Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 offered workplace discrimination protections on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. Rick Su, a law professor at the University of North Carolina, was even less optimistic when it comes to the state. North Carolina has no state law on public accommodations not related to disabilities and no anti-discrimination laws protecting LGBT identity, Su told NBC News. Given there is no federal law protecting LGBT [people] either, this would mean that the wedding venue is free to discriminate. There are, however, two things that could potentially change this in the near future: the Equality Act and Fulton v. City of Philadelphia. The former is proposed federal legislation that would add LGBTQ protections to existing federal civil rights law. It passed in the House last year, and President-elect Joe Biden has said he would like to sign it within his first 100 days in office. The latter is a case before the Supreme Court that will determine whether a government-funded, religiously affiliated child welfare agency can circumvent local nondiscrimination laws and refuse to work with LGBTQ people. If the justices issue a broad ruling in the case, it could have far-reaching implications, according to legal experts. Mayfield said she and May arent considering legal action at this time, but she added that they are urging our friends to email legislators to help try and pass discrimination laws for LGBTQ people. In addition to advocating for legislative action, the couple also wants to get the word out to the local LGBTQ community about The Warehouse on Ivys policies. We have a lot of gay friends in our circle, so I wanted to hopefully save people the time and, kind of, hurt and energy, from getting rejected based on our sex <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949210090] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote> Should they be allowed to do this? Yes, it's their private property they can host or not host whatever they like. No, that's discrimination! Vote View Results Should they be allowed to do this? - Results (73 votes) Yes, it's their private property they can host or not host whatever they like. 64.38% (47 votes) 47 No, that's discrimination! 35.62% (26 votes) 26 Show Voting Form The newly engaged couple Kasey Mayfield and Brianna May did not expect to ignite an online backlash when they shared on Facebook a recent email exchange that Mayfield had with an employee at a North Carolina wedding venue. In the exchange, Mayfield mentions potential wedding dates, the estimated number of guests and the other bride. In response, the venue informed her that The Warehouse on Ivy in Winston-Salem does not host same sex marriage ceremonies. If youre wondering how wedding planning is going...thanks so much to The Warehouse on Ivy for letting us know were not welcome, I was kind of speechless, Mayfield said of reading the email. I just had to like hand the phone over to Bri when I got it. I had hoped that this wouldn't happen in North Carolina, but I thought there was a chance it may. I didn't expect it from a venue in Winston, added Mayfield, 25, who has lived in the area for the past 10 years. May, 29, was born and raised in Winston-Salem. The couple met on the dating app Bumble over two years ago and got engaged last month while listening to their favorite album, Golden Hour by Kacey Musgraves. They had only just started planning for their wedding, which they hope to hold in the fall of 2022. Mayfield said she and May first heard of The Warehouse on Ivy through the online wedding resource Wedding Wire. The venue did not tell May and Mayfield why it does not host same-sex marriage ceremonies. However, in an email exchange with NBC News, the same email account, which lists the senders name as Daniel Stanley, confirmed the couples assumptions surrounding the decision. We will allow anyone of any color, race, religion or belief to use our venue at any given time, the email stated. Although we love and respect everyone in our community, their own decision making and beliefs, we also strongly believe in our Christian values. According to North Carolina incorporation filings, The Warehouse on Ivy is owned by STC Properties of Forsyth County and lists Thomas Collins and Scott Sechler as the companys managers. Reporting from The Winston-Salem Monthly, which features interviews with the Sechler family about the recently opened venue, confirms Sechlers ownership. Multiple attempts to reach Sechler and Collins were unsuccessful, and by Monday the venue had taken down its Facebook and Instagram pages. The issue of where anti-discrimination laws begin and First Amendment and religious liberty rights end remains something of an open question legally and much of it depends on state law. In the high-profile 2018 case Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, the Supreme Court narrowly ruled in favor of Christian baker Jack Phillips, who refused to make a cake for a same-sex wedding. But instead of answering the fundamental question of whether it is legal to discriminate based on sexual orientation, the high court simply found that Phillips concerns werent fairly considered by Colorado officials. In a similar case, the Washington Supreme Court ruled in 2019 that Arlene Stutzman, owner of Arlenes Flowers, was in violation of that states anti-discrimination law for refusing to provide flowers for a gay couples wedding ceremony. The shop has appealed, for the second time, to the Supreme Court. Its petition is pending. Unlike Colorado and Washington state, however, North Carolina along with 22 other states across the U.S. does not have a law explicitly banning discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity in public accommodations, according to Movement Advancement Project, an LGBTQ think tank. And until this month, the state had a moratorium on cities passing their own nondiscrimination protections. With no explicit state protections and no federal legislation banning anti-LGBTQ discrimination in public accommodations, a state like North Carolina leaves little room for legal recourse, according to Paul Smith, a Georgetown Law School professor who argued the landmark 2003 LGBTQ rights case Lawrence v. Texas before the Supreme Court. The only shot would seem to be finding a state law that prohibits sex discrimination in the provision of goods and services and then convincing North Carolina to read sex discrimination in its law as broadly as the majority did in Bostock [v. Clayton County, Georgia], Smith said, referring to the landmark ruling this year that found that Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 offered workplace discrimination protections on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. Rick Su, a law professor at the University of North Carolina, was even less optimistic when it comes to the state. North Carolina has no state law on public accommodations not related to disabilities and no anti-discrimination laws protecting LGBT identity, Su told NBC News. Given there is no federal law protecting LGBT [people] either, this would mean that the wedding venue is free to discriminate. There are, however, two things that could potentially change this in the near future: the Equality Act and Fulton v. City of Philadelphia. The former is proposed federal legislation that would add LGBTQ protections to existing federal civil rights law. It passed in the House last year, and President-elect Joe Biden has said he would like to sign it within his first 100 days in office. The latter is a case before the Supreme Court that will determine whether a government-funded, religiously affiliated child welfare agency can circumvent local nondiscrimination laws and refuse to work with LGBTQ people. If the justices issue a broad ruling in the case, it could have far-reaching implications, according to legal experts. Mayfield said she and May arent considering legal action at this time, but she added that they are urging our friends to email legislators to help try and pass discrimination laws for LGBTQ people. In addition to advocating for legislative action, the couple also wants to get the word out to the local LGBTQ community about The Warehouse on Ivys policies. We have a lot of gay friends in our circle, so I wanted to hopefully save people the time and, kind of, hurt and energy, from getting rejected based on our sex</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
armandro 01/07/21 3:15:24 AM #2:	Why do people need a 3rd party to validate their marriage? --- https://imgur.com/sKghEcP 8 October, 2023 <cite>armandro posted [p:949210157] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>Why do people need a 3rd party to validate their marriage? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
berlyman101 01/07/21 3:24:23 AM #3:	I had hoped that this wouldn't happen in North Carolina seriously? armandro posted... Why do people need a 3rd party to validate their marriage? in many states you need a wedding ceremony for it to be official. with this logic, why is it important to get married at all? we as humans place a lot of importance on rituals and people deserve to celebrate and be acknowledged if they so choose. I would agree that the wedding industry is a giant scam, though. --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:949210295] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote><quote>I had hoped that this wouldn't happen in North Carolina</quote> seriously? armandro posted... </cite> <quote>Why do people need a 3rd party to validate their marriage?</quote> in many states you need a wedding ceremony for it to be official. with this logic, why is it important to get married at all? we as humans place a lot of importance on rituals and people deserve to celebrate and be acknowledged if they so choose. I would agree that the wedding industry is a giant scam, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 01/07/21 3:29:31 AM #4:	UnfairRepresent posted... The irony is all of the people showing their support for their fellow man and happiness is closer to 'Christian Values' than the Christians. Eh, there are like a bajillion different versions of Christianity and theyve all got their own interpretation of what rules to follow or not (Aka cherry picking). Anyway, I do not like what this venue is doing, but Im not a Christian and there are countless people, even here on CE, who love the logic of if youre not a woman then you should not have any say about abortion. I wonder if theyll stay consistent. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:949210358] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The irony is all of the people showing their support for their fellow man and happiness is closer to 'Christian Values' than the Christians.</quote> Eh, there are like a bajillion different versions of Christianity and theyve all got their own interpretation of what rules to follow or not (Aka cherry picking). Anyway, I do not like what this venue is doing, but Im not a Christian and there are countless people, even here on CE, who love the logic of if youre not a woman then you should not have any say about abortion. I wonder if theyll stay consistent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ranlom 01/07/21 3:30:49 AM #5:	UnfairRepresent posted... The irony is all of the people showing their support for their fellow man and happiness is closer to 'Christian Values' than the Christians. It'd be nice if they focused a little less on LGBT+ issues and more on not worshipping false idols. --- Forward, Relentlessly "What the heck is Ranlom?" - lunchboxssj <cite>Ranlom posted [p:949210379] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The irony is all of the people showing their support for their fellow man and happiness is closer to 'Christian Values' than the Christians.</quote> It'd be nice if they focused a little less on LGBT+ issues and more on not worshipping false idols. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 01/07/21 3:30:52 AM #6:	berlyman101 posted... in many states you need a wedding ceremony for it to be official. not defending the wedding company. I'm on the couple's side. but you can get married for free at a court house I think. or at least it doesn't cost much. you don't HAVE to be married by a priest. judges can do it too <cite>Zikten posted [p:949210380] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>berlyman101 posted...</cite> <quote>in many states you need a wedding ceremony for it to be official. </quote> not defending the wedding company. I'm on the couple's side. but you can get married for free at a court house I think. or at least it doesn't cost much. you don't HAVE to be married by a priest. judges can do it too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/07/21 3:33:41 AM #7:	berlyman101 posted... in many states you need a wedding ceremony for it to be official. with this logic, why is it important to get married at all? we as humans place a lot of importance on rituals and people deserve to celebrate and be acknowledged if they so choose. I would agree that the wedding industry is a giant scam, though. This is true I know a couple who didn't want a wedding but still had to go to a building to sign a piece of paper while 2 people watched just because the law demaded it ~~I was one of them.~~ But besides the legality, people just like the tradition and ceremony. They liked the weddings they went too growing up and they want one themselves. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949210423] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>berlyman101 posted... </cite> <quote> in many states you need a wedding ceremony for it to be official. with this logic, why is it important to get married at all? we as humans place a lot of importance on rituals and people deserve to celebrate and be acknowledged if they so choose. I would agree that the wedding industry is a giant scam, though.</quote>This is true I know a couple who didn't want a wedding but still had to go to a building to sign a piece of paper while 2 people watched just because the law demaded it I was one of them. But besides the legality, people just like the tradition and ceremony. They liked the weddings they went too growing up and they want one themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/07/21 3:55:55 AM #8:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... Im not a Christian and there are countless people, even here on CE, who love the logic of if youre not a woman then you should not have any say about abortion. I wonder if theyll stay consistent. non sequitur noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. "his weird mixed metaphors and non sequiturs" --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949210791] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>Lorenzo_2003 posted... </cite> <quote>Im not a Christian and there are countless people, even here on CE, who love the logic of if youre not a woman then you should not have any say about abortion. I wonder if theyll stay consistent.</quote>non sequitur noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement."his weird mixed metaphors and non sequiturs" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
armandro 01/07/21 4:24:40 AM #9:	berlyman101 posted... seriously? in many states you need a wedding ceremony for it to be official. with this logic, why is it important to get married at all? we as humans place a lot of importance on rituals and people deserve to celebrate and be acknowledged if they so choose. I would agree that the wedding industry is a giant scam, though. still as dum as religion tradition is a scam --- https://imgur.com/sKghEcP 8 October, 2023 <cite>armandro posted [p:949211174] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>berlyman101 posted... </cite> <quote>seriously? in many states you need a wedding ceremony for it to be official. with this logic, why is it important to get married at all? we as humans place a lot of importance on rituals and people deserve to celebrate and be acknowledged if they so choose. I would agree that the wedding industry is a giant scam, though.</quote>still as dum as religion tradition is a scam </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
berlyman101 01/07/21 4:26:30 AM #10:	armandro posted... still as dum as religion tradition is a scam ritual is not necessarily a scam, though. --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:949211196] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>armandro posted... </cite> <quote>still as dum as religion tradition is a scam</quote> ritual is not necessarily a scam, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 01/07/21 4:30:38 AM #11:	how about the church be forcibly closed and the owners imprisoned? that seems fair, tbh --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:949211249] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>how about the church be forcibly closed and the owners imprisoned? that seems fair, tbh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 01/07/21 8:28:04 AM #12:	UnfairRepresent posted... non sequitur noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs 1. a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. "his weird mixed metaphors and non sequiturs" consistent /knsistnt/ adjective acting or done in the same way over time, especially so as to be fair or accurate. It is hard for people to act consistent because then they cant hold double standards. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:949214442] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>non sequitur noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs 1. a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. "his weird mixed metaphors and non sequiturs"</quote> consistent /knsistnt/ adjective acting or done in the same way over time, especially so as to be fair or accurate.It is hard for people to act consistent because then they cant hold double standards. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 01/07/21 8:28:51 AM #13:	Kasey Mayfield and Brianna May did not expect to ignite an online backlash when they shared on Facebook x doubt --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:949214461] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>Kasey Mayfield and Brianna May did not expect to ignite an online backlash when they shared on Facebook x doubt </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
armandro 01/07/21 3:14:38 PM #14:	berlyman101 posted... ritual is not necessarily a scam, though. its a scam because divorce rates are high and you'll end up owning a lot just be together and break up --- https://imgur.com/sKghEcP 8 October, 2023 <cite>armandro posted [p:949228600] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>berlyman101 posted... </cite> <quote> ritual is not necessarily a scam, though.</quote>its a scam because divorce rates are high and you'll end up owning a lot just be together and break up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/07/21 6:15:14 PM #15:	Yes is dominating --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949235126] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>Yes is dominating </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 1:09:13 AM #16:	armandro posted... its a scam because divorce rates are high and you'll end up owning a lot just be together and break up There are benefits to being married legal, banking, insurance , hospital visitation etc --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949291215] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>armandro posted... </cite> <quote>its a scam because divorce rates are high and you'll end up owning a lot just be together and break up</quote>There are benefits to being married legal, banking, insurance , hospital visitation etc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 01/09/21 6:58:30 AM #17:	To me this is not a question of 'why'. If they can reject anyone, for any reason, then they can reject these women. If they can't reject people for any reason they deem fit, then they have to be sanctioned. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:949295824] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>To me this is not a question of 'why'. If they can reject anyone, for any reason, then they can reject these women. If they can't reject people for any reason they deem fit, then they have to be sanctioned. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/09/21 7:12:46 AM #18:	I see no instance where Jesus cared. Paul did that. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:949295994] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>I see no instance where Jesus cared. Paul did that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cuticrusader09 01/09/21 7:13:22 AM #19:	UnfairRepresent posted... There are benefits to being married legal, banking, insurance , hospital visitation etc Yep. And there is a divide in divorce rates, 64% of people in the top third income bracket are on their first intact marriage while of those in the lowest third income bracket only 24% are on their first intact marriage. Thats a big disparity. --- AC - Violet on Penny. (N), Rose on Sapphire (S) <cite>Cuticrusader09 posted [p:949296002] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> There are benefits to being married legal, banking, insurance , hospital visitation etc </quote> Yep. And there is a divide in divorce rates, 64% of people in the top third income bracket are on their first intact marriage while of those in the lowest third income bracket only 24% are on their first intact marriage. Thats a big disparity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kbelfisBACK 01/09/21 7:13:44 AM #20:	armandro posted... still as dum as religion tradition is a scam literally catholic LMAO <cite>kbelfisBACK posted [p:949296008] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>armandro posted... </cite> <quote>still as dum as religion tradition is a scam</quote>literally catholic LMAO </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 01/09/21 7:23:39 AM #21:	Zikten posted... not defending the wedding company. I'm on the couple's side. but you can get married for free at a court house I think. or at least it doesn't cost much. you don't HAVE to be married by a priest. judges can do it too With covid that's not really a thing in a lot of places atm. Still, most places you just need someone ordained to say some words and fill out the paper work. If you hire someone youre looking around $200-$300. Or you can have a friend get ordained online or something which is super cheap but takes a bit of time. Probably more with covid. --- PSN: Jiek <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:949296117] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>not defending the wedding company. I'm on the couple's side. but you can get married for free at a court house I think. or at least it doesn't cost much. you don't HAVE to be married by a priest. judges can do it too</quote>With covid that's not really a thing in a lot of places atm. Still, most places you just need someone ordained to say some words and fill out the paper work. If you hire someone youre looking around $200-$300. Or you can have a friend get ordained online or something which is super cheap but takes a bit of time. Probably more with covid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 01/09/21 7:38:26 AM #23:	VioletMassacre posted... Gay lesbian. Not actually a sin anywhere in the bible. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:949296296] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>VioletMassacre posted... </cite> <quote>Gay lesbian.</quote>Not actually a sin anywhere in the bible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 1:01:10 PM #24:	Questionmarktarius posted... Not actually a sin anywhere in the bible. ehhhhhhhhhhh Debatable --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949303518] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Not actually a sin anywhere in the bible.</quote>ehhhhhhhhhhh Debatable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 01/09/21 1:08:37 PM #25:	UnfairRepresent posted... We will allow anyone of any color, race, religion or belief to use our venue at any given time, the email stated. Although we love and respect everyone in our community, their own decision making and beliefs, we also strongly believe in our Christian values. "Homosexuality is immoral and I don't want that kind near me, but look how politely I said it. Muh freedom!" --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:949303773] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>We will allow anyone of any color, race, religion or belief to use our venue at any given time, the email stated. Although we love and respect everyone in our community, their own decision making and beliefs, we also strongly believe in our Christian values.</quote>"Homosexuality is immoral and I don't want that kind near me, but look how politely I said it. Muh freedom!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 01/09/21 1:44:09 PM #26:	Cant they jsut go to another venue? I'm sure there are venues that will. They can even find a preacher that will do the ceremony. As a christian I do find it okay, but some people believe it is a great sin to marry teo gay people as it is against their ideals. I dont think these people should be forced to do something that they feel is against their religion. It's like forcing a Jewish person to eat ham or a indian person to eat beef. Should they call this place out? Sure if they lose business over it fine but forcing them and demonizing them isnt the way. Just like I dont think gay people should be forced to hide themselves for who they are. Even as a christian though, I don't see gay people as a sin. The bible kind of suggests it but it's more or less saying a man being with another man even though he is married is still considered being an adulterer. Just like when they talk about practicing homosexuality, or however you want to translate it, is basically saying dont fuck the alter boy. Most of the rules were mainly because people were trying to find a loop hole. Also back then it was all about reproducing and getting christian numbers up. We dont have that same issue anymore. What I'm trying to say is it is more complex then just straight homophobia or whatever. Understanding why they may not want to is something people should do. But these people should be demonized if they talk down or bad about gay people. Love thy neighbor. --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:949305017] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>Cant they jsut go to another venue? I'm sure there are venues that will. They can even find a preacher that will do the ceremony. As a christian I do find it okay, but some people believe it is a great sin to marry teo gay people as it is against their ideals. I dont think these people should be forced to do something that they feel is against their religion. It's like forcing a Jewish person to eat ham or a indian person to eat beef. Should they call this place out? Sure if they lose business over it fine but forcing them and demonizing them isnt the way. Just like I dont think gay people should be forced to hide themselves for who they are. Even as a christian though, I don't see gay people as a sin. The bible kind of suggests it but it's more or less saying a man being with another man even though he is married is still considered being an adulterer. Just like when they talk about practicing homosexuality, or however you want to translate it, is basically saying dont fuck the alter boy. Most of the rules were mainly because people were trying to find a loop hole. Also back then it was all about reproducing and getting christian numbers up. We dont have that same issue anymore. What I'm trying to say is it is more complex then just straight homophobia or whatever. Understanding why they may not want to is something people should do. But these people should be demonized if they talk down or bad about gay people. Love thy neighbor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 1:54:21 PM #27:	yutterh posted... As a christian I do find it okay, but some people believe it is a great sin to marry teo gay people as it is against their ideals. I dont think these people should be forced to do something that they feel is against their religion. It's like forcing a Jewish person to eat ham or a indian person to eat beef. Do you believe it's wrong to force a racist shopkeeper to serve black people? They feel its against their religion and God hates black people. `What I'm trying to say is it is more complex then just straight homophobia or whatever.` No it's not it's just straight homophobia from pathetic cowards who use God as a shield for their own petty evils "I don't hate gays, God hates gays and I just worship god do hands tied I have to hate gays" is just homophobia for liars with no balls --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949305356] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>yutterh posted... </cite> <quote>As a christian I do find it okay, but some people believe it is a great sin to marry teo gay people as it is against their ideals. I dont think these people should be forced to do something that they feel is against their religion. It's like forcing a Jewish person to eat ham or a indian person to eat beef.</quote>Do you believe it's wrong to force a racist shopkeeper to serve black people? They feel its against their religion and God hates black people. <quote>What I'm trying to say is it is more complex then just straight homophobia or whatever. </quote> No it's not it's just straight homophobia from pathetic cowards who use God as a shield for their own petty evils "I don't hate gays, God hates gays and I just worship god do hands tied I have to hate gays" is just homophobia for liars with no balls </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirtleSkwad 01/09/21 1:57:52 PM #28:	I saw two Indian lesbians get married at the top of a ski-lift while both their families behaved like homophobic assholes. I cannot fathom how it must feel to be treated like this. A polite smile and a handshake as they professionally tell you that your existence does not matter. Fuck that venue and it's owners. Hope they go bankrupt over this while COVID is in full swing. --- "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein <cite>SquirtleSkwad posted [p:949305474] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>I saw two Indian lesbians get married at the top of a ski-lift while both their families behaved like homophobic assholes. I cannot fathom how it must feel to be treated like this. A polite smile and a handshake as they professionally tell you that your existence does not matter. Fuck that venue and it's owners. Hope they go bankrupt over this while COVID is in full swing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 01/09/21 2:01:10 PM #29:	SquirtleSkwad posted... Fuck that venue and it's owners. Hope they go bankrupt over this while COVID is in full swing. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:949305593] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>SquirtleSkwad posted...</cite> <quote>Fuck that venue and it's owners. Hope they go bankrupt over this while COVID is in full swing.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proto_Spark 01/09/21 2:06:46 PM #30:	The Supreme Court ruled something very similar to this like, 6 months ago. That if you discriminate towards for example a gay couple that you wouldn't towards a heterosexual couple, you're effectively discriminating based on at least one of that couple's sex. So the question here, is does freedom of religion allow you to discriminate against a protected group? I think the obvious answer to that should be "no", because then you can use religion as an excuse to discriminate whenever you please. <cite>Proto_Spark posted [p:949305798] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>The Supreme Court ruled something very similar to this like, 6 months ago. That if you discriminate towards for example a gay couple that you wouldn't towards a heterosexual couple, you're effectively discriminating based on at least one of that couple's sex. So the question here, is does freedom of religion allow you to discriminate against a protected group? I think the obvious answer to that should be "no", because then you can use religion as an excuse to discriminate whenever you please. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 01/09/21 2:11:46 PM #31:	UnfairRepresent posted... Do you believe it's wrong to force a racist shopkeeper to serve black people? They feel its against their religion and God hates black people. No it's not it's just straight homophobia from pathetic cowards who use God as a shield for their own petty evils "I don't hate gays, God hates gays and I just worship god so hands tied I have to hate gays" is just homophobia for liars with no balls Being racist is different. It's more equal too going to a catholic church and not being able to participate in communion unless your catholic or can prove you have been baptized. Being married is a religious ceremony. It falls under what they believe are their religious rules for that particular ceremony. A shopkeeper who is christian can and should serve all people, if they discriminate a gay person cause they fill it is a sin then they should discriminate against everyone cause no one is without sin. It is completely different. Though I understand why people feel a marriage ceremony is the same thing. Also GOD doesn't hate gay people, GOD loves everyone and they should treat gay people with kindness. Not treating them with kindness is a sin to GOD as they should love they neighbor. --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:949305986] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Do you believe it's wrong to force a racist shopkeeper to serve black people? They feel its against their religion and God hates black people. No it's not it's just straight homophobia from pathetic cowards who use God as a shield for their own petty evils "I don't hate gays, God hates gays and I just worship god so hands tied I have to hate gays" is just homophobia for liars with no balls</quote> Being racist is different. It's more equal too going to a catholic church and not being able to participate in communion unless your catholic or can prove you have been baptized. Being married is a religious ceremony. It falls under what they believe are their religious rules for that particular ceremony. A shopkeeper who is christian can and should serve all people, if they discriminate a gay person cause they fill it is a sin then they should discriminate against everyone cause no one is without sin. It is completely different. Though I understand why people feel a marriage ceremony is the same thing. Also GOD doesn't hate gay people, GOD loves everyone and they should treat gay people with kindness. Not treating them with kindness is a sin to GOD as they should love they neighbor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 2:16:05 PM #32:	yutterh posted... Being racist is different. How? Guess Gods will doesn't matter anymore yutterh posted... baptized. Being married is a religious ceremony 1. no its not 2. Thats not relevant Can you ban black people from getting married because God says so and its religious You're being comically ridiculous, bending over backwards to passionately defend hating gays yutterh posted... Also GOD doesn't hate gay people, Most religious people disagree GOD loves everyone and they should treat gay people with kindness. Not treating them with kindness is a sin to GOD as they should love they neighbor. So you agree they shouldn't discriminate. Good --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949306162] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>yutterh posted... </cite> <quote>Being racist is different.</quote>How? Guess Gods will doesn't matter anymore yutterh posted... </cite> <quote>baptized. Being married is a religious ceremony</quote> 1. no its not 2. Thats not relevant Can you ban black people from getting married because God says so and its religious You're being comically ridiculous, bending over backwards to passionately defend hating gays yutterh posted... </cite> <quote>Also GOD doesn't hate gay people, </quote> Most religious people disagree <quote>GOD loves everyone and they should treat gay people with kindness. Not treating them with kindness is a sin to GOD as they should love they neighbor.</quote> So you agree they shouldn't discriminate. Good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 01/09/21 2:34:22 PM #33:	Rika_Furude posted... how about the church be forcibly closed and the owners imprisoned? that seems fair, tbh Get a grip --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:949306848] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite> <quote>how about the church be forcibly closed and the owners imprisoned? that seems fair, tbh</quote> Get a grip </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Choco 01/09/21 2:37:26 PM #34:	are there places that refuse to do interracial weddings too? --- https://imgur.com/286sD4e http://error1355.com/ce/Choco.html <cite>Choco posted [p:949306946] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>are there places that refuse to do interracial weddings too? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 01/09/21 2:39:23 PM #35:	UnfairRepresent posted... How? Guess Gods will doesn't matter anymore 1. no its not 2. Thats not relevant Can you ban black people from getting married because God says so and its religious You're being comically ridiculous, bending over backwards to passionately defend hating gays Most religious people disagree So you agree they shouldn't discriminate. Good It's different because GOD doesn't say anything about it being okay to be racist. Also doesn't say anything about hating gay people. If anyone is using GOD to be racist they are not following his teachings. GOD doesnt say black people cant be married. They disagree because like you said they use the bible to validate their hate, even though they sin themselves. They judge others without judging themselves. When GOD is talking about homosexuality he is also referring to other sins. Which these people do and usually more. Once again, it isn't about discriminating. They believe it should be man and woman that gets married. If that is the only thing they are against fine, as long as they dont demonize gay people. Also I'm not defending them in hating anyone, simply reasoning why them not agreeing with marrying the same sex. But hate isnt something they should do. Just saying forcing them in this instance isn't right. If they want to not have same sex marriage fine, they feel it's wrong. They can lose business cause of this if they want. But forcing them to go against it isn't a way to fix the problem. It's will fix itself when no one goes to the venue. --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:949307029] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>How? Guess Gods will doesn't matter anymore 1. no its not 2. Thats not relevant Can you ban black people from getting married because God says so and its religious You're being comically ridiculous, bending over backwards to passionately defend hating gays Most religious people disagree So you agree they shouldn't discriminate. Good</quote> It's different because GOD doesn't say anything about it being okay to be racist. Also doesn't say anything about hating gay people. If anyone is using GOD to be racist they are not following his teachings. GOD doesnt say black people cant be married. They disagree because like you said they use the bible to validate their hate, even though they sin themselves. They judge others without judging themselves. When GOD is talking about homosexuality he is also referring to other sins. Which these people do and usually more. Once again, it isn't about discriminating. They believe it should be man and woman that gets married. If that is the only thing they are against fine, as long as they dont demonize gay people. Also I'm not defending them in hating anyone, simply reasoning why them not agreeing with marrying the same sex. But hate isnt something they should do. Just saying forcing them in this instance isn't right. If they want to not have same sex marriage fine, they feel it's wrong. They can lose business cause of this if they want. But forcing them to go against it isn't a way to fix the problem. It's will fix itself when no one goes to the venue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 01/09/21 2:39:50 PM #36:	I think people confuse their religious freedoms and the rules they follow while operating as a legally-licensed business in the government's perspective. You have freedom of religion insofar that the government can't jail you for religious beliefs and no one can stop you from doing whatever you want on your own time but businesses operate by a different set of standards and we aim to separate church from state. Businesses should be allowed to refuse service to customers but only for valid reasons that prove the customer is causing a disturbance. Being gay, imo, is not sufficient to refuse service to someone just because you believe that God'll send you to hell for hosing a gay wedding. On some level, religious people need to acknowledge that their religion is one of many and as such isn't special. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:949307051] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>I think people confuse their religious freedoms and the rules they follow while operating as a legally-licensed business in the government's perspective. You have freedom of religion insofar that the government can't jail you for religious beliefs and no one can stop you from doing whatever you want on your own time but businesses operate by a different set of standards and we aim to separate church from state. Businesses should be allowed to refuse service to customers but only for valid reasons that prove the customer is causing a disturbance. Being gay, imo, is not sufficient to refuse service to someone just because you believe that God'll send you to hell for hosing a gay wedding. On some level, religious people need to acknowledge that their religion is one of many and as such isn't special. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 01/09/21 2:44:57 PM #37:	I guess my thing is, people know venues and churches will tell them know, yet go to those places anyways and get surprise pikachued face they are told they wont be married at that place. Call the place out then go somewhere else. Why force them is my thing. Let them endure the wrath of GOD and others and move on. --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:949307212] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>I guess my thing is, people know venues and churches will tell them know, yet go to those places anyways and get surprise pikachued face they are told they wont be married at that place. Call the place out then go somewhere else. Why force them is my thing. Let them endure the wrath of GOD and others and move on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 3:06:02 PM #38:	yutterh posted... It's different because GOD doesn't say anything about it being okay to be racist. Who are you to decide the word of God? You're devaluing their beliefs Also doesn't say anything about hating gay people. If anyone is using GOD to be racist they are not following his teachings. They disagree and you're defending them They disagree because like you said they use the bible to validate their hate, even though they sin themselves. They judge others without judging themselves. so its wrong to oppose gay marriage and wrong to use God to justify hating people ? I agree . Pity you argued the opposite passionately a moment sgo Once again, it isn't about discriminating. They believe it should be man and woman that gets married. That's discrimination If that is the only thing they are against fine, No it's not fine Also I'm not defending them in hating anyone, yes you are --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949307944] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>yutterh posted... </cite> <quote>It's different because GOD doesn't say anything about it being okay to be racist.</quote> Who are you to decide the word of God? You're devaluing their beliefs <quote> Also doesn't say anything about hating gay people. If anyone is using GOD to be racist they are not following his teachings.</quote> They disagree and you're defending them <quote> </quote> <quote> They disagree because like you said they use the bible to validate their hate, even though they sin themselves. They judge others without judging themselves. </quote> so its wrong to oppose gay marriage and wrong to use God to justify hating people ? I agree . Pity you argued the opposite passionately a moment sgo <quote> Once again, it isn't about discriminating. They believe it should be man and woman that gets married. </quote> That's discrimination <quote>If that is the only thing they are against fine, </quote>No it's not fine <quote> Also I'm not defending them in hating anyone, </quote> yes you are </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 01/09/21 3:14:35 PM #39:	UnfairRepresent posted... Who are you to decide the word of God? You're devaluing their beliefs They disagree and you're defending them so its wrong to oppose gay marriage and wrong to use God to justify hating people ? I agree . Pity you argued the opposite passionately a moment sgo That's discrimination No it's not fine yes you are I'm saying it cause the word of GOD doesn't say anything about racial discrimination......that's soem bullshit they came up with. I wouldn't say passionately defending more or less trying to explain the understanding. Also it isn't hate to say you won't do it cause it's against your beliefs. Hating is saying they are vile human beings and shouldnt exist. Which a lot do but your right, I'm putting my religious beliefs on them and your also righting that most likely they do hate and discriminate. So yeah, I concede our argument lol --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:949308228] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Who are you to decide the word of God? You're devaluing their beliefs They disagree and you're defending them so its wrong to oppose gay marriage and wrong to use God to justify hating people ? I agree . Pity you argued the opposite passionately a moment sgo That's discrimination No it's not fine yes you are</quote> I'm saying it cause the word of GOD doesn't say anything about racial discrimination......that's soem bullshit they came up with. I wouldn't say passionately defending more or less trying to explain the understanding. Also it isn't hate to say you won't do it cause it's against your beliefs. Hating is saying they are vile human beings and shouldnt exist. Which a lot do but your right, I'm putting my religious beliefs on them and your also righting that most likely they do hate and discriminate. So yeah, I concede our argument lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
waterjoe 01/09/21 3:20:44 PM #40:	and WATER IS WET! <cite>waterjoe posted [p:949308485] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>and WATER IS WET! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 3:35:14 PM #41:	yutterh posted... I'm saying it cause the word of GOD doesn't say anything about racial discrimination......that's soem bullshit they came up with. It doesn't say anything about hating gays either but here we are Turns out God is just an excuse for cowards to excuse their disgusting attitudes and you defend them I wouldn't say passionately defending I would --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949309030] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>yutterh posted... </cite> <quote>I'm saying it cause the word of GOD doesn't say anything about racial discrimination......that's soem bullshit they came up with.</quote> It doesn't say anything about hating gays either but here we are Turns out God is just an excuse for cowards to excuse their disgusting attitudes and you defend them <quote> I wouldn't say passionately defending</quote>I would </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 01/09/21 3:36:13 PM #42:	as opposed to a straight lesbian wedding? --- Who can @ Mention me? -Nobody- "the final thing that set the mods off was a picture of two lions having sex." -boxington <cite>Machete posted [p:949309068] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>as opposed to a straight lesbian wedding?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 01/09/21 3:53:39 PM #43:	UnfairRepresent posted... It doesn't say anything about hating gays either but here we are Turns out God is just an excuse for cowards to excuse their disgusting attitudes and you defend them I would But it does say only man and woman can be married. Hating anyone is directly against GOD though. Also I do agree with this, most peopel who are christian use it as a way to justify their own shitty ways and cherry pick stuff and jsut straight up make shit up. I'm simply saying they can't be forced to go ahead with the marriage. It just isnt gonna work. I disagree, I wouldn't say passionately. --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:949309759] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't say anything about hating gays either but here we are Turns out God is just an excuse for cowards to excuse their disgusting attitudes and you defend them I would</quote> But it does say only man and woman can be married. Hating anyone is directly against GOD though. Also I do agree with this, most peopel who are christian use it as a way to justify their own shitty ways and cherry pick stuff and jsut straight up make shit up. I'm simply saying they can't be forced to go ahead with the marriage. It just isnt gonna work. I disagree, I wouldn't say passionately. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 3:56:46 PM #44:	yutterh posted... I'm simply saying they can't be forced to go ahead with the marriage. But the you dodge whether they are allowed to discriminate against anyone other than gays. You're pretty much saying it's okay to be homophobic but you're saying in an extremely cowardly way. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949309877] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>yutterh posted... </cite> <quote> I'm simply saying they can't be forced to go ahead with the marriage.</quote>But the you dodge whether they are allowed to discriminate against anyone other than gays. You're pretty much saying it's okay to be homophobic but you're saying in an extremely cowardly way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 01/09/21 4:19:40 PM #45:	UnfairRepresent posted... But the you dodge whether they are allowed to discriminate against anyone other than gays. You're pretty much saying it's okay to be homophobic but you're saying in an extremely cowardly way. I'm not saying it's okay to be homophobic at all. Hell I been to a couple of gay weddings. One was in my grandma's yard, my cousin got married to her wife. It was a pretty cool wedding. I'm simply saying that some places wont allow it cause it is in the bible that they cant. Doesnt mean I'm against it or it should be that way. Just saying some people fill it be a sin for them to actively do it. But it is also a sin to treat gay people as if they are lepers. It's just different when it comes to doing a marriage ceremony. Some marriage ceremonies wont allow someone from a different religion to get married. Like this one girls family would want me marrying their daughter because I wasn't Jewish. I would have to convert. Some religions dont allow interfaith marriages. That's also a form of discrimination. But hoenstly a looked up and most religions even judiasm is fine with same sex. Some interesting articles I looked up on this. Thanks for giving the inspiration to look more into it. https://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/07/religious-groups-official-positions-on-same-sex-marriage/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage So froma religious stand point some marriages are frowned upon. So what about incestial marriages? What if some places had it legal and they wanted to get married. But the venue or preacher says no cause it is against their religion? Would that be considered discrimination? My thing is while yes 99% of the time it is is probably caus ethe people are bigots but at the same time they just feel it isn't soemthing their religion supports in going that far. Which is why it's a little more complex then just being homophobic when it comes to marriage and strictly when it comes to marriage. Edit: also I'm not dodging I answered. The bible doesnt say anything about interracial marriage. Personally I think interracial is a stupid term anyways as we are all humans. But that's another thing entirely. --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:949310898] in Christian ... [t:79223907]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>But the you dodge whether they are allowed to discriminate against anyone other than gays. You're pretty much saying it's okay to be homophobic but you're saying in an extremely cowardly way.</quote> I'm not saying it's okay to be homophobic at all. Hell I been to a couple of gay weddings. One was in my grandma's yard, my cousin got married to her wife. It was a pretty cool wedding. I'm simply saying that some places wont allow it cause it is in the bible that they cant. Doesnt mean I'm against it or it should be that way. Just saying some people fill it be a sin for them to actively do it. But it is also a sin to treat gay people as if they are lepers. It's just different when it comes to doing a marriage ceremony. Some marriage ceremonies wont allow someone from a different religion to get married. Like this one girls family would want me marrying their daughter because I wasn't Jewish. I would have to convert. Some religions dont allow interfaith marriages. That's also a form of discrimination. But hoenstly a looked up and most religions even judiasm is fine with same sex. Some interesting articles I looked up on this. Thanks for giving the inspiration to look more into it. https://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/07/religious-groups-official-positions-on-same-sex-marriage/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage So froma religious stand point some marriages are frowned upon. So what about incestial marriages? What if some places had it legal and they wanted to get married. But the venue or preacher says no cause it is against their religion? Would that be considered discrimination? My thing is while yes 99% of the time it is is probably caus ethe people are bigots but at the same time they just feel it isn't soemthing their religion supports in going that far. Which is why it's a little more complex then just being homophobic when it comes to marriage and strictly when it comes to marriage. Edit: also I'm not dodging I answered. The bible doesnt say anything about interracial marriage. Personally I think interracial is a stupid term anyways as we are all humans. But that's another thing entirely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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