Current Events > LOTR is a good story but it's not very progressive when you think about it.

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UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 8:38:59 PM #1:	All of the bad guys are ugly and pathetic. Orcs are digusting, dirty, have no redeeming attitudes and are just "evil" Wormtongue is all in the name. Sauron looks like an evil monster. Fantastical animals like Shelob and the Balrog are just mindless ugly evil creatures. The movie made this even worse by making all the heroes ridiclously good looking despite traveling through the woods and dirt all the time. Even Sam looks good. Fucking Sam. Would have been nice if there was a good guy who sounded like First Enchanter Irving or if there was a giant spider at Rivendell. I mean Aragorn being king because he looks nice when he smiles and has the right bloodline is kinda fascistic logic when you think about it. I mean what does he know about trade or tax rates or plumbing or building roads? I mean this guy isn't president: It just oozes "Sexy and good looking = good. Ugly = bad." It would be cool if someone wrote a "Wicked" style of story about the LOTR from the perspective of the orcs. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949320110] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>All of the bad guys are ugly and pathetic. Orcs are digusting, dirty, have no redeeming attitudes and are just "evil" Wormtongue is all in the name. Sauron looks like an evil monster. Fantastical animals like Shelob and the Balrog are just mindless ugly evil creatures. The movie made this even worse by making all the heroes ridiclously good looking despite traveling through the woods and dirt all the time. Even Sam looks good. Fucking Sam. Would have been nice if there was a good guy who sounded like First Enchanter Irving or if there was a giant spider at Rivendell. I mean Aragorn being king because he looks nice when he smiles and has the right bloodline is kinda fascistic logic when you think about it. I mean what does he know about trade or tax rates or plumbing or building roads? I mean this guy isn't president: It just oozes "Sexy and good looking = good. Ugly = bad." It would be cool if someone wrote a "Wicked" style of story about the LOTR from the perspective of the orcs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 01/09/21 8:41:12 PM #2:	The biggest hero is a short dude tho. Thats like 2049 level progress. --- "A dope trailers no place for a kitty, Ricky. Thats why." https://files.catbox.moe/gqwlkg.jpeg ~ by JimCarrysToe. Be amaze. <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:949320178] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>The biggest hero is a short dude tho. Thats like 2049 level progress. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 01/09/21 8:41:14 PM #3:	No one cares --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:949320181] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>No one cares </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 01/09/21 8:42:02 PM #4:	If progressive meant "accepting ugly monsters" then the left would be a lot nicer to Trump supporters --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:949320196] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>If progressive meant "accepting ugly monsters" then the left would be a lot nicer to Trump supporters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 8:43:21 PM #5:	Smashingpmkns posted... If progressive meant "accepting ugly monsters" then the left would be a lot nicer to Trump supporters No progressive is "Just because you're ugly doesn't mean you're a monster. Just because you look like a underwear model doesn't mean you're a good person." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949320223] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>If progressive meant "accepting ugly monsters" then the left would be a lot nicer to Trump supporters</quote>No progressive is "Just because you're ugly doesn't mean you're a monster. Just because you look like a underwear model doesn't mean you're a good person." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meralonne 01/09/21 8:43:43 PM #6:	The bad guys that are actually human are brown people. Not sure what else to expect from a British guy writing a story 100 years ago, though. --- "Sigs are for dorks."-- my wife <cite>meralonne posted [p:949320236] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>The bad guys that are actually human are brown people. Not sure what else to expect from a British guy writing a story 100 years ago, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 01/09/21 8:44:43 PM #7:	Gimli is a good guy and he's not a Calvin Klein model --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:949320262] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>Gimli is a good guy and he's not a Calvin Klein model</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrupt_Power 01/09/21 8:45:08 PM #8:	--- Posted with GameRaven 3.6.0_B3 <cite>Corrupt_Power posted [p:949320273] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote> --- Posted with GameRaven 3.6.0_B3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rexcrk 01/09/21 8:47:32 PM #10:	groan --- These pretzels are making me thirsty! <cite>rexcrk posted [p:949320336] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>groan </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 8:48:35 PM #11:	ProfessorKukui posted... Neither Shelob or the Balrogs are mindless creatures. That's not very progressive of you. Shadow of War isn't canon --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949320370] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>ProfessorKukui posted... </cite> <quote>Neither Shelob or the Balrogs are mindless creatures. That's not very progressive of you.</quote>Shadow of War isn't canon </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 01/09/21 8:49:51 PM #12:	I like LOTR even more now then <cite>coh posted [p:949320419] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>I like LOTR even more now then </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Simp 01/09/21 8:51:45 PM #13:	I do, in fact, often think about it --- "If we banned simp ... we'd have to shut down CE." - SBAllen <cite>Simp posted [p:949320481] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>I do, in fact, often think about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 8:53:14 PM #14:	coh posted... I like LOTR even more now then --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949320521] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>I like LOTR even more now then</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rodu_jr 01/09/21 8:55:39 PM #15:	Aragorn doesn't look nice in the books. The line look foul and feel fair comes to mind <cite>rodu_jr posted [p:949320595] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>Aragorn doesn't look nice in the books. The line look foul and feel fair comes to mind </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 01/09/21 8:59:18 PM #17:	ProfessorKukui posted... I didn't mention SoW did I? And who are you to consider it canon or not? That's not very progressive of you. SoW's writing is literally worse than my hypothetical scenario topics. It's one gay sex scene away from bad fanfiction. And this is from someone who loved the games... well the first one anyway --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949320699] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>ProfessorKukui posted... </cite> <quote>I didn't mention SoW did I? And who are you to consider it canon or not? That's not very progressive of you.</quote>SoW's writing is literally worse than my hypothetical scenario topics. It's one gay sex scene away from bad fanfiction. And this is from someone who loved the games... well the first one anyway </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jason19192 01/09/21 8:59:20 PM #18:	It does have that scene where a woman killed a super powerful witch creature or whatever, that would trigger a lot of incels if it came out today. <cite>jason19192 posted [p:949320700] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>It does have that scene where a woman killed a super powerful witch creature or whatever, that would trigger a lot of incels if it came out today. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 01/10/21 5:09:14 AM #19:	jason19192 posted... It does have that scene where a woman killed a super powerful witch creature or whatever, that would trigger a lot of incels if it came out today. It really would though lol. --- These pretzels are making me thirsty! <cite>rexcrk posted [p:949332255] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>jason19192 posted... </cite> <quote>It does have that scene where a woman killed a super powerful witch creature or whatever, that would trigger a lot of incels if it came out today.</quote>It really would though lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmericaTheBrave 01/10/21 5:16:39 AM #20:	It was written in the 1950's. What did you expect? --- https://imgur.com/Asq1ds6 <cite>AmericaTheBrave posted [p:949332331] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>It was written in the 1950's. What did you expect? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 01/10/21 5:19:56 AM #21:	So the books written in the 30s and 40s don't conform to your 2021 virtue signaling woke mentality? Boo fucking hoo. --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:949332360] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>So the books written in the 30s and 40s don't conform to your 2021 virtue signaling woke mentality? Boo fucking hoo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 01/10/21 5:37:48 AM #22:	What the hell --- Common sense is a fudge round - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:949332542] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>What the hell </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spikethedevil 01/10/21 5:56:42 AM #24:	They released in the 50s so what do you expect? --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:949332742] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>They released in the 50s so what do you expect? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/10/21 10:05:33 AM #25:	ArianaGrandSlam posted... I am no man Thanks Macbeth --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949336256] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>ArianaGrandSlam posted... </cite> <quote>I am no man</quote>Thanks Macbeth </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 01/10/21 10:14:17 AM #26:	I'm pretty sure lots of people have thought about this and said things about it. --- Wubba dubba dubba is that true? <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:949336460] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure lots of people have thought about this and said things about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 01/10/21 10:18:17 AM #28:	Sauron is a hunk. --- #FeelTheBern https://imgur.com/q5z4CUu https://imgur.com/6B9oFXh https://imgur.com/sy42Dlf <cite>lilORANG posted [p:949336561] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>Sauron is a hunk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 01/10/21 10:20:09 AM #29:	Looks like microaggressions are back on the menu boys --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:949336603] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>Looks like microaggressions are back on the menu boys </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Total_Lost2 01/10/21 10:24:40 AM #30:	lilORANG posted... Sauron is a hunk. Pre-downfall, definitely... --- Just when you think you see a silver lining, God makes you blind....the ***** Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici <cite>Total_Lost2 posted [p:949336697] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>lilORANG posted... </cite> <quote>Sauron is a hunk.</quote> Pre-downfall, definitely... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mingue 01/10/21 10:24:49 AM #31:	gr8 b8 m8 TC even brought up the tax rates shtick! coh posted... I like LOTR even more now then This xD <cite>Mingue posted [p:949336703] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>gr8 b8 m8 TC even brought up the tax rates shtick! coh posted... </cite> <quote>I like LOTR even more now then</quote>This xD </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InYourWalls1 01/10/21 10:26:33 AM #32:	UnfairRepresent posted... It would be cool if someone wrote a "Wicked" style of story about the LOTR from the perspective of the orcs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQh2C1VRYBM --- The fully enlightened earth radiates disaster triumphant <cite>InYourWalls1 posted [p:949336735] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>It would be cool if someone wrote a "Wicked" style of story about the LOTR from the perspective of the orcs</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQh2C1VRYBM </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 01/10/21 10:31:05 AM #33:	Gamerguymass posted... So the books written in the 30s and 40s don't conform to your 2021 virtue signaling woke mentality? Boo fucking hoo. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:949336867] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>So the books written in the 30s and 40s don't conform to your 2021 virtue signaling woke mentality? Boo fucking hoo.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 01/10/21 10:50:29 AM #35:	InYourWalls1 posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQh2C1VRYBM I love that vid Also "orcs with normal voices " gosh! --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949337280] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>InYourWalls1 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQh2C1VRYBM</quote>I love that vid Also "orcs with normal voices " gosh! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 01/10/21 10:51:47 AM #36:	Gamerguymass posted... So the books written in the 30s and 40s don't conform to your 2021 virtue signaling woke mentality? --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:949337305] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>So the books written in the 30s and 40s don't conform to your 2021 virtue signaling woke mentality?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masticatingman 01/10/21 10:59:47 AM #37:	The books are mostly respected for their fantasy world building, which was on a whole other level entirely. --- Fervent appearing <cite>masticatingman posted [p:949337519] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>The books are mostly respected for their fantasy world building, which was on a whole other level entirely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spikethedevil 01/10/21 1:08:21 PM #39:	ArianaGrandSlam posted... Way less stupid than the no man of woman born shit from Macbeth Shakespeares stupidest moment Yeah that whole thing was a massive reach on his part. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:949341236] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>ArianaGrandSlam posted... </cite> <quote>Way less stupid than the no man of woman born shit from Macbeth Shakespeares stupidest moment</quote> Yeah that whole thing was a massive reach on his part. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 01/10/21 1:10:13 PM #40:	InYourWalls1 posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQh2C1VRYBM That's exactly how I felt in that moment. I really felt for that dude. --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:949341304] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>InYourWalls1 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQh2C1VRYBM</quote> That's exactly how I felt in that moment. I really felt for that dude. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/10/21 1:22:07 PM #41:	spikethedevil posted... Yeah that whole thing was a massive reach on his part. LOTR is no better really --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949341780] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>spikethedevil posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah that whole thing was a massive reach on his part.</quote>LOTR is no better really </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 01/10/21 10:42:13 PM #43:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... Gamerguymass posted... So the books written in the 30s and 40s don't conform to your 2021 virtue signaling woke mentality? Boo fucking hoo Foundation Trilogy was written in the 1940s and the Mule had actual nuance and sympathy. It also had a female hero. Shylock was a nuanced ugly villain in 1596. Hath not Orc eyes? So what's your excuse now? Good nuanced character writing isn't a woke virtue signal. "Pretty people r good, ugly people r bad." is kinda weak. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949362680] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... </cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... So the books written in the 30s and 40s don't conform to your 2021 virtue signaling woke mentality? Boo fucking hoo</quote>Foundation Trilogy was written in the 1940s and the Mule had actual nuance and sympathy. It also had a female hero. Shylock was a nuanced ugly villain in 1596. Hath not Orc eyes? So what's your excuse now? Good nuanced character writing isn't a woke virtue signal. "Pretty people r good, ugly people r bad." is kinda weak. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kelystic 01/10/21 10:44:49 PM #44:	In contrast, in Warcraft, orcs and banshees and misunderstood creatures while humans are assholes --- https://imgur.com/xNf1K9h <cite>Kelystic posted [p:949362752] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>In contrast, in Warcraft, orcs and banshees and misunderstood creatures while humans are assholes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdrianBeterson 01/10/21 10:55:41 PM #45:	The final boss (The Witch King) and his Nasghul are literally killed by a woman who defies gender roles to fight alongside her brothers. That's pretty progressive, especially given the books came out in the 40-50s. --- https://imgur.com/EvtcK3P <cite>AdrianBeterson posted [p:949363063] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>The final boss (The Witch King) and his Nasghul are literally killed by a woman who defies gender roles to fight alongside her brothers. That's pretty progressive, especially given the books came out in the 40-50s. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BilalPowell 01/10/21 10:57:28 PM #46:	That's why it's a good story. --- Former #1 Birmingham Iron Fan. RIP AAF <cite>BilalPowell posted [p:949363126] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>That's why it's a good story. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/10/21 11:00:47 PM #47:	AdrianBeterson posted... The final boss (The Witch King) and his Nasghul are literally killed by a woman who defies gender roles to fight alongside her brothers. That's pretty progressive, especially given the books came out in the 40-50s. by a woman and a tiny hobbit using magic weapons and teamwork The movie kinda didn't do that justice. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949363244] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>AdrianBeterson posted... </cite> <quote>The final boss (The Witch King) and his Nasghul are literally killed by a woman who defies gender roles to fight alongside her brothers. That's pretty progressive, especially given the books came out in the 40-50s.</quote>by a woman and a tiny hobbit using magic weapons and teamwork The movie kinda didn't do that justice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdrianBeterson 01/10/21 11:02:32 PM #48:	UnfairRepresent posted... by a woman and a tiny hobbit using magic weapons and teamwork The movie kinda didn't do that justice. Sure, but the point still stands. --- https://imgur.com/EvtcK3P <cite>AdrianBeterson posted [p:949363300] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>by a woman and a tiny hobbit using magic weapons and teamwork The movie kinda didn't do that justice.</quote>Sure, but the point still stands. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/10/21 11:04:19 PM #49:	Yeah it's a fair point if you're being hyperliteral but this topic was about the "Pretty people r good, ugly people r bad" thing. Not about women being in the kitchen --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949363354] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>Yeah it's a fair point if you're being hyperliteral but this topic was about the "Pretty people r good, ugly people r bad" thing. Not about women being in the kitchen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rodu_jr 01/10/21 11:10:43 PM #50:	Aragorn spent decades and decades under the sun, sleeping under hedges, living outdoors. He looked like old worn out boot leather <cite>rodu_jr posted [p:949363576] in LOTR is a ... [t:79229563]...</cite> <quote>Aragorn spent decades and decades under the sun, sleeping under hedges, living outdoors. He looked like old worn out boot leather </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > LOTR is a good story but it's not very progressive when you think about it. (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > LOTR is a good story but it's not very progressive when you think about it.