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JoeRodonExprien
01/17/21 8:35:24 AM
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codey
01/17/21 8:40:10 AM
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What exactly is a lord?

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Notti
01/17/21 8:42:02 AM
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DK9292
01/17/21 8:42:53 AM
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codey posted...
What exactly is a lord?
In the UK? Someone with a peerage.

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Ruvan22
01/17/21 8:43:18 AM
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Notti posted...
Lord British has become kinda dickish.
Haha didn't he try to kickstart an online Ultima but not Ultima game?
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SPE
01/17/21 8:44:08 AM
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He looks so full of himself

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codey
01/17/21 8:45:10 AM
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DK9292 posted...
In the UK? Someone with a peerage.
Yeah but what's a peerage

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UnfairRepresent
01/17/21 8:50:05 AM
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codey posted...
Yeah but what's a peerage
It's the UK'S version of Noblemen. The descendants of the wealthy

The way it works in the UK is the nation is split into constituencies, everyone votes for who gets to represent their constituency. This is called the MPs. Member of p
Parliament

The MPs all create and debate laws in the House of Commons

Once a law is decided by elected officials it gets passed to the House of Lords, the unelected unquestioned group of rich jackasses who then look over the law and decide if the wealthy are okay with it.

If the Lords are okay with it, then it get passed

If the wealthy don't like it, it gets batted back to the House of Commons for the elected MPS to start over.

No really. That's how it works

it's a fucking joke

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Irony
01/17/21 8:51:25 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
It's the UK'S version of Noblemen. The descendants of the wealthy

The way it works in the UK is the nation is split into constituencies, everyone votes for who gets to represent their constituency. This is called the MPs.

The MPs all create and debate laws in the House of Commons

Once a law is decided it gets passed to the House of Lords, the unelected unquestioned group of rich jackasses who then look over the law and decide if the wealthy are okay with it.

If they are it get passed

If the wealthy don't like it, it gets batted back to the House of Commons for the elected MPS to start over.

No really. That's how it works

it's a fucking joke
And people say US politics is dumb

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luigi13579
01/17/21 8:54:18 AM
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I saw this at the time. He's a typical right-wing arsehole.

His argument was that we shouldn't have a lockdown because people who don't have long to live anyway have lives that are less valuable (ignoring that many of those who die / have died have a good 20-30+ years still in them).

I wonder what he'd say if someone advocated scrapping pensions because the lives iof the elderly are less valuable? If they advocated expropriating his wealth because his life is less valuable? Cutting the money that elderly peers in the House of Lords get?

codey posted...
Yeah but what's a peerage
It's basically a member of the House of Lords (our second chamber that can amend or veto legislation). Usually they're appointed by the government of the day; some are hereditary.
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CyricZ
01/17/21 8:54:47 AM
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codey posted...
Yeah but what's a peerage
You're either born with peerage from someone who is already a lord/lady, or you're granted it by the monarch.

Members of the House of Lords are not elected by the people. They are appointed by the Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister, or elected internally.

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DarthDemented
01/17/21 8:55:17 AM
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Notti posted...
Lord British has become kinda dickish.
Command: fight
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UnfairRepresent
01/17/21 8:56:34 AM
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Irony posted...
And people say US politics is dumb
As bad as The Electoral college and Senate/congress is in the US, I laugh everything I hear a Brit knock it when their system is so much worse despite being a fraction of the size with such little management needed.

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Grogu
01/17/21 8:57:29 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...

It's the UK'S version of Noblemen. The descendants of the wealthy

The way it works in the UK is the nation is split into constituencies, everyone votes for who gets to represent their constituency. This is called the MPs. Member of p
Parliament

The MPs all create and debate laws in the House of Commons

Once a law is decided by elected officials it gets passed to the House of Lords, the unelected unquestioned group of rich jackasses who then look over the law and decide if the wealthy are okay with it.

If the Lords are okay with it, then it get passed

If the wealthy don't like it, it gets batted back to the House of Commons for the elected MPS to start over.

No really. That's how it works

it's a fucking joke


Wrong, they have no power to stop laws and bills passing (except in very specific circumstances), but they do have the power to force the government to reshape or reconsider laws, or delay them for further debate. Theyre actually designed as a safeguard against the government and largely function as such.
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UnfairRepresent
01/17/21 8:59:15 AM
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Grogu posted...
Wrong, they have no power to stop laws and bills passing (except in very specific circumstances), but they do have the power to force the government to reshape or reconsider laws, or delay them for further debate.
Why did you say wrong and then just repeat what I said?

Grogu posted...
Theyre actually designed as a safeguard against the government and largely function as such.
Yeah an unelected group of rich assholes looking out for themselves sure is one hell of a safeguard against Democracy

I'll grant you that.

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Grogu
01/17/21 9:05:31 AM
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Because you present it like if they dont like it they reject it, when in reality their function is to look at bills and laws and see if anything in them is fundamentally illegal or contradictory. If it is they have the power to send it back, but ultimately the government can force it through regardless.

Its not perfect but theres no way if what you said was accurate the UK would have the NHS, as high minimum wage or the comprehensive workers rights they enjoy.
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codey
01/17/21 9:06:34 AM
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Thanks for the lesson y'all. I lived in Suffolk for two years in my early twenties but didn't bother to learn anything about UK Politics lol

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Tyranthraxus
01/17/21 9:09:14 AM
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Ruvan22 posted...
Haha didn't he try to kickstart an online Ultima but not Ultima game?

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UnfairRepresent
01/17/21 9:13:59 AM
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codey posted...
Thanks for the lesson y'all. I lived in Suffolk for two years in my early twenties but didn't bother to learn anything about UK Politics lol
Sadly this is the reason why UK politics are so bad

the simple truth Is most of the population don't know how it works and dont care

That's why things fall apart, conservatives point to foreigners as the blame and they get a 80 seat majority and Brexit with ease

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Zikten
01/17/21 9:15:15 AM
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I have heard of the House of Lords but never really knew what they are. Thata actually kinda fucked up though. UK isn't really a true democracy then if the House of Lords exists
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Tyranthraxus
01/17/21 9:16:36 AM
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Zikten posted...
I have heard of the House of Lords but never really knew what they are. Thata actually kinda fucked up though. UK isn't really a true democracy then if the House of Lords exists

It's called a parliamentary democracy.

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UnfairRepresent
01/17/21 9:18:03 AM
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Grogu posted...
Because you present it like if they dont like it they reject it, when in reality their function is to look at bills
they have the power to send it back,


Grogu posted...
Once a law is decided by elected officials it gets passed to the House of Lords, the unelected unquestioned group of rich jackasses who then look over the law and decide if the wealthy are okay with it.

If the Lords are okay with it, then it get passed

If the wealthy don't like it, it gets batted back to the House of Commons for the elected MPS to start over.

No really. That's how it works
So in other words...

Exactly what I said except you intentionally missed out details and then try to pretend it's a good thing that a group of old rich unelected egotistical Gibbons can stonewall laws made by elected officials

hmmmmm


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COVxy
01/17/21 9:19:04 AM
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How is that not true?

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Tyranthraxus
01/17/21 9:22:10 AM
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COVxy posted...
How is that not true?

By what metric are you measuring the value of life? Because I'll take 100 cancer-having Jeff Bridges over 1 healthy Donald Trump.

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ThyCorndog
01/17/21 9:22:41 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
What kind of goofy JRPG antagonist name is Lord Sumption?
lmao

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ThyCorndog
01/17/21 9:23:36 AM
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COVxy posted...
How is that not true?
what are you basing value on?

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SPE
01/17/21 9:24:04 AM
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Zikten posted...
I have heard of the House of Lords but never really knew what they are. Thata actually kinda fucked up though. UK isn't really a true democracy then if the House of Lords exists

they dont even have a constitution!

they claim they have some sort of mystical unwritten constitution to save face

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IloveJesus
01/17/21 9:25:30 AM
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SPE posted...
they dont even have a constitution!

they claim they have some sort of mystical unwritten constitution to save face
We don't have a codified constitution.

I don't see how that's inherently a problem though. Also, the US constitution solves some problems and causes others.

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tremain07
01/17/21 9:33:22 AM
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UK politics seems to just be rich people running the country cutting out the middleman of actually using things like lobbyists and bought politicians. No wonder it's so chaotic but I'm not gonna throw stones, our government is all but slaves to the rich and corporate assholes, I struggle to find any government that hasn't become enslaved to the rich and or corporations unless they are brutal dictatorships and even those need to have rich and corporate backing to succeed as they do.

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Prismsblade
01/17/21 9:36:48 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
By what metric are you measuring the value of life? Because I'll take 100 cancer-having Jeff Bridges over 1 healthy Donald Trump.
Depends on weather you're judging it based on pure morals, or more so from a cold and calculating point of view. And from the latter 20-30 year olds are probably more valuable to a society then 70-80 year olds.

And in regards to your analogy a more proper one would be the life of say, Elon Musk, vs a hundred homeless drug addicts.

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UnfairRepresent
01/17/21 9:42:03 AM
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tremain07 posted...
UK politics seems to just be rich people running the country cutting out the middleman of actually using things like lobbyists and bought politicians.
Pretty much

As we speak the UK spent millions on "30 food packages for kids" to stop starvation during covid

except the packages actually contained 5 worth of food and the wealthy government contracts just pocketed 25 per package

and literally no one cares

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ZevLoveDOOM
01/17/21 9:43:28 AM
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someone better record his words and replay them when and if he gets cancer someday...

im not wishing it on anyone but karma is a bitch!
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Tyranthraxus
01/17/21 9:44:46 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
Depends on weather you're judging it based on pure morals, or more so from a cold and calculating point of view. And from the latter 20-30 year olds are probably more valuable to a society then 70-80 year olds.

And in regards to your analogy a more proper one would be the life of say, Elon Musk, vs a hundred homeless drug addicts.

If you asked the homeless drug addict whether his life was more valuable than Elon Musk what do you think he'd say?


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Prismsblade
01/17/21 9:49:44 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
If you asked the homeless drug addict whether his life was more valuable than Elon Musk what do you think he'd say?
Some will say yes, others no. Not sure what you're getting at here.

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tremain07
01/17/21 9:52:42 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Pretty much

As we speak the UK spent millions on "30 food packages for kids" to stop starvation during covid

except the packages actually contained 5 worth of food and the wealthy government contracts just pocketed 25 per package

and literally no one cares
Geez, the UK is going to be a very ugly place in the next decades or so now that Brexit is in full swing and they're starting to realize being on their just means even less for them and more for the rich, doesn't it? I swear that was what it was all about the rich getting pissy they weren't making as much while being apart of EU so by striking out on their own they stand to make more money, however to sell it they blamed muslims and used patriotisms to fool the populace into going along with it.

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LordRazziel
01/17/21 9:55:59 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
By what metric are you measuring the value of life? Because I'll take 100 cancer-having Jeff Bridges over 1 healthy Donald Trump.
So, then in a triage situation, you think doctors should judge ones personal character, and use it as a criterion for determining whether they receive care?

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DK9292
01/17/21 9:59:22 AM
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Zikten posted...
UK isn't really a true democracy then if the House of Lords exists
Neither's America so long as the two party system exists.

I read once there was a Scandinavian country that was a TRUE democracy, and was the only one in the world. I'll see if I can find it.

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UnfairRepresent
01/17/21 10:04:44 AM
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DK9292 posted...
Neither's America so long as the two party system exists.

I read once there was a Scandinavian country that was a TRUE democracy, and was the only one in the world. I'll see if I can find it.
Well technically the US is a Republic

But yeah it has a lot of flaws

Still better than the UK tho

tremain07 posted...
Geez, the UK is going to be a very ugly place in the next decades or so now that Brexit is in full swing and they're starting to realize being on their just means even less for them and more for the rich, doesn't it? I swear that was what it was all about the rich getting pissy they weren't making as much while being apart of EU so by striking out on their own they stand to make more money, however to sell it they blamed muslims and used patriotisms to fool the populace into going along with it.
Yup

And the population at large either falls for the patriotism claptrap or is totally apathetic

Its really damn depressing, the UK has one of a dark future

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DK9292
01/17/21 10:07:07 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Well technically the US is a Republic

But yeah it has a lot of flaws

Still better than the UK tho
I mean, we don't have police killing black people for nothing.

But we're also hella backwards when it comes to sexism, alternate gender identities, etc.

Point is, I don't want to live in either country. But if I'm stuck with one, better the devil you know.

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Tyranthraxus
01/17/21 10:07:44 AM
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LordRazziel posted...
So, then in a triage situation, you think doctors should judge ones personal character, and use it as a criterion for determining whether they receive care?

1. Triage is not measuring the value of life.

2. Triage prioritization only matters for emergency care. Someone who has cancer but has been shot 8 times but is still alive takes priority over someone with first degree burns but is otherwise healthy.

Typical cancer patients and patients with normal non life threatening illnesses both fall into the lowest category of triage because there's no immediate loss of life risk. If one of their conditions worsens, they get more priority.

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Ruvan22
01/17/21 10:08:34 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
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I pledged $450 and then about 20 minutes later I got really nauseous about it and cancelled my pledge later that day.

I feel like I dodged more bullets than Neo.

Like... the reviews are so meh I don't know what to think, even though I played Ultima from 1990 forward
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luigi13579
01/17/21 10:08:37 AM
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DK9292 posted...
I mean, we don't have police killing black people for nothing.
It does happen, just not to the same extent.
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Southernfatman
01/17/21 10:08:47 AM
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You're no match for him. He's a British Lord.

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DK9292
01/17/21 10:09:48 AM
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luigi13579 posted...
It does happen, just not to the same extent.
Never heard of that, but I can see it. That can probably be attributed to our more extreme levels of gun control compared to America, I suppose. If they DID have guns it would be just as bad.

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UnfairRepresent
01/17/21 10:20:22 AM
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DK9292 posted...
I mean, we don't have police killing black people for nothing.
WTF? Yes you do.

Your police force is 95% white

Black people are 5 times as likely to be killed or beaten by cops than white people. Thousands of black people have died while in police custody.

Police are 14 times more likely to use firearms on black people than white (For American users, most UK police dont carry guns)

And 8 times more likely to be stopped and searched. 43 times more likely to be searched under section 60 (Means cop doesnt have to provide a reason to justify the search)

Every other week theres new information about cops bragging about killing black people/immigrants and cops on film admitting they profile and pull over black drivers

The racism problem with the UK police force is gigantic, way way worse than the US and constantly in the civil rights news cycle

You seem to be assuming the huge REACTION of outrage from the US for Floyd or Rice means the problem is bigger

No it just means the population actually cares. Where is in the UK there is near total apathy from anyone not effected

Do some basic research, it's a HUGE problem in the UK


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DK9292
01/17/21 10:23:36 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
WTF? Yes you do.
See the post above you. I already accepted I was wrong.

Get a grip, ffs.

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