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Cleo_II 01/22/21 11:52:54 PM #1:	Im being passed up for promotion this year. Im taking maternity leave right around March, right when we have promo cycles. All 2020 we worked out a plan (me and my manager) for me for promotion and I hit everything that was outlined. When I asked my boss about it today, I was told she wasnt putting me up because upper management will deny it. I asked if I missed anything and she said no, Ive been doing amazing. There is even a leveling guide where they outline what responsibilities are expected per level and Ive done everything for the next level. Theyre new management but people have still been promoted anyway. Instead she told me we can try for the August cycle instead (its for off-cycle/one off promos), which coincidentally is around the time I would get back from leave. I asked her how I would have a better shot in August at impressing upper management if Ill be gone the whole time. She said she couldnt answer that. Of course I have no proof Im actually being discriminated against. None of this is in writing. Managers know to be careful. Laws are pointless because they only protect you if you have hard evidence. I feel utterly deflated. I worked my ass off all year and took on more than any team member. Even while pregnant I was performing better than others. And now Im 6.5 months and half our team quit and Im doing 3 peoples jobs and working 12 hour days because my boss asked me to step in (because Im literally one of the top performers who can do it). At least now I know to just faceroll these next two months and phone it in as much as possible. It still sucks to know that theres just no justice really. I cant drink so Im drowning myself in cookies... <cite>Cleo_II posted [p:949814655] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>Im being passed up for promotion this year. Im taking maternity leave right around March, right when we have promo cycles. All 2020 we worked out a plan (me and my manager) for me for promotion and I hit everything that was outlined. When I asked my boss about it today, I was told she wasnt putting me up because upper management will deny it. I asked if I missed anything and she said no, Ive been doing amazing. There is even a leveling guide where they outline what responsibilities are expected per level and Ive done everything for the next level. Theyre new management but people have still been promoted anyway. Instead she told me we can try for the August cycle instead (its for off-cycle/one off promos), which coincidentally is around the time I would get back from leave. I asked her how I would have a better shot in August at impressing upper management if Ill be gone the whole time. She said she couldnt answer that. Of course I have no proof Im actually being discriminated against. None of this is in writing. Managers know to be careful. Laws are pointless because they only protect you if you have hard evidence. I feel utterly deflated. I worked my ass off all year and took on more than any team member. Even while pregnant I was performing better than others. And now Im 6.5 months and half our team quit and Im doing 3 peoples jobs and working 12 hour days because my boss asked me to step in (because Im literally one of the top performers who can do it). At least now I know to just faceroll these next two months and phone it in as much as possible. It still sucks to know that theres just no justice really. I cant drink so Im drowning myself in cookies... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 01/22/21 11:53:41 PM #2:	Is this a copy pasta --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:949814678] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>Is this a copy pasta </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cleo_II 01/22/21 11:55:32 PM #4:	Irony posted... Is this a copy pasta Nope. Just reality for women in the workforce <cite>Cleo_II posted [p:949814725] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite> <quote>Is this a copy pasta</quote>Nope. Just reality for women in the workforce </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 01/22/21 11:57:52 PM #5:	Cleo_II posted... Managers know to be careful. Laws are pointless because they only protect you if you have hard evidence. Ding ding. It definitely sounds like theyre avoiding promoting until youre off maternity leave. And theres very little one can do. It sucks. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:949814782] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>Cleo_II posted... </cite> <quote>Managers know to be careful. Laws are pointless because they only protect you if you have hard evidence.</quote> Ding ding. It definitely sounds like theyre avoiding promoting until youre off maternity leave. And theres very little one can do. It sucks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cleo_II 01/22/21 11:58:40 PM #7:	JustMyOpinion posted... Didn't you come back (or was it stay) at this job partly because they were talking about a path upwards? Yikes. Yes I came back and they specifically promised they would do better in upward mobility for me. Its why we had a plan outlined. We did merge with another company and now have new upper management. But other people have still gotten promotions. So I cant help but feel this would have been a different conversation if I wasnt pregnant. She didnt even seem like she wanted to try whatsoever. <cite>Cleo_II posted [p:949814801] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>JustMyOpinion posted... </cite> <quote>Didn't you come back (or was it stay) at this job partly because they were talking about a path upwards? Yikes.</quote>Yes I came back and they specifically promised they would do better in upward mobility for me. Its why we had a plan outlined. We did merge with another company and now have new upper management. But other people have still gotten promotions. So I cant help but feel this would have been a different conversation if I wasnt pregnant. She didnt even seem like she wanted to try whatsoever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vigorm0rtis 01/23/21 12:00:17 AM #9:	Cleo_II posted... Laws are pointless because they only protect you if you have hard evidence. It's better than nothing, but not necessarily in every case. If you have a better alternative, the world would be glad to hear it. And I legit mean that. I got turned down for a hire last year because I'm "too valuable as a contract asset." Which is bullshit, as I'd take a substantial pay cut and already have a 10+ year history with the company, but they know I have MS, and I'd drive up insurance costs. Can I prove it? No. Have laws helped me? No. Are they pointless? Also no. --- "Can't wait to count out your coin!" -- Bethesda, 2018 <cite>vigorm0rtis posted [p:949814847] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>Cleo_II posted... </cite> <quote>Laws are pointless because they only protect you if you have hard evidence. </quote> It's better than nothing, but not necessarily in every case. If you have a better alternative, the world would be glad to hear it. And I legit mean that. I got turned down for a hire last year because I'm "too valuable as a contract asset." Which is bullshit, as I'd take a substantial pay cut and already have a 10+ year history with the company, but they know I have MS, and I'd drive up insurance costs. Can I prove it? No. Have laws helped me? No. Are they pointless? Also no. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cleo_II 01/23/21 12:05:37 AM #10:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Ding ding. It definitely sounds like theyre avoiding promoting until youre off maternity leave. And theres very little one can do. It sucks. It sucks so bad. I really gave it my all. I had a feeling it would go this way because she suddenly got quiet about it near the end of the year. I kept telling my husband that I just knew they werent going to do it. Why pay me more if Im taking a leave? Plus Im not going anywhere so Im at their mercy. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] Yes Ive had 3 people reach out in recent weeks. 2 are former VPs who worked at my company and called me to say if I ever came back from mat leave and wasnt happy, to give them a call because theyd love me on their team. A third reached out to me last week because she heard about me from someone at her company and wanted to chat with me about opportunities on her team. Im talking to her next week. I dont know if she knows Im pregnant but figure its worth just a chat in case I need to line something up after. All 3 companies are known to pay a lot more. Ive made a bit of a name for myself in my industry so Im not worried. But still hurt that Id be disregarded this way. <cite>Cleo_II posted [p:949814996] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Ding ding. It definitely sounds like theyre avoiding promoting until youre off maternity leave. And theres very little one can do. It sucks.</quote>It sucks so bad. I really gave it my all. I had a feeling it would go this way because she suddenly got quiet about it near the end of the year. I kept telling my husband that I just knew they werent going to do it. Why pay me more if Im taking a leave? Plus Im not going anywhere so Im at their mercy. <cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Yes Ive had 3 people reach out in recent weeks. 2 are former VPs who worked at my company and called me to say if I ever came back from mat leave and wasnt happy, to give them a call because theyd love me on their team. A third reached out to me last week because she heard about me from someone at her company and wanted to chat with me about opportunities on her team. Im talking to her next week. I dont know if she knows Im pregnant but figure its worth just a chat in case I need to line something up after. All 3 companies are known to pay a lot more. Ive made a bit of a name for myself in my industry so Im not worried. But still hurt that Id be disregarded this way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 01/23/21 12:10:57 AM #11:	JustMyOpinion posted... Ah a good ol' fashioned bait and switch. A manager that won't go to bat for a good employee is a shitty manager. This Like overall, wtf is up with your manager that they won't level with you at all? Your manager's response was horrible imo. You asked solid mature questions on how to advance and they basically told you to piss off. --- PSN: Jiek <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:949815146] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>JustMyOpinion posted... </cite> <quote>Ah a good ol' fashioned bait and switch. A manager that won't go to bat for a good employee is a shitty manager.</quote>This Like overall, wtf is up with your manager that they won't level with you at all? Your manager's response was horrible imo. You asked solid mature questions on how to advance and they basically told you to piss off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cleo_II 01/23/21 12:11:02 AM #12:	JustMyOpinion posted... Ah a good ol' fashioned bait and switch. A manager that won't go to bat for a good employee is a shitty manager. Yup. She told me to trust her and that she will get me where I need to be eventually and to give her more time LOL aka when I come back from mat leave The only thing Im grateful for was that overall shes hands off and when I needed time for appointments or days I felt morning sickness, I could easily take time. I know I couldnt get that easily at a new company that didnt know me. So I dont regret coming back. vigorm0rtis posted... It's better than nothing, but not necessarily in every case. If you have a better alternative, the world would be glad to hear it. And I legit mean that. I got turned down for a hire last year because I'm "too valuable as a contract asset." Which is bullshit, as I'd take a substantial pay cut and already have a 10+ year history with the company, but they know I have MS, and I'd drive up insurance costs. Can I prove it? No. Have laws helped me? No. Are they pointless? Also no. Yes youre right, pointless isnt the right word. Just ineffective. Im sorry you went through the same thing <cite>Cleo_II posted [p:949815150] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>JustMyOpinion posted... </cite> <quote>Ah a good ol' fashioned bait and switch. A manager that won't go to bat for a good employee is a shitty manager.</quote>Yup. She told me to trust her and that she will get me where I need to be eventually and to give her more time LOL aka when I come back from mat leave The only thing Im grateful for was that overall shes hands off and when I needed time for appointments or days I felt morning sickness, I could easily take time. I know I couldnt get that easily at a new company that didnt know me. So I dont regret coming back. vigorm0rtis posted... </cite> <quote>It's better than nothing, but not necessarily in every case. If you have a better alternative, the world would be glad to hear it. And I legit mean that. I got turned down for a hire last year because I'm "too valuable as a contract asset." Which is bullshit, as I'd take a substantial pay cut and already have a 10+ year history with the company, but they know I have MS, and I'd drive up insurance costs. Can I prove it? No. Have laws helped me? No. Are they pointless? Also no.</quote>Yes youre right, pointless isnt the right word. Just ineffective. Im sorry you went through the same thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I4NRulez 01/23/21 12:13:40 AM #13:	My dad worked in management and when i was like 17 having trouble with my boss he told me to take extensive notes. He told me to take notes of each thing that happened, detailed, date, timed. Its a he said she said kinda thing. You gotta fight so hard for anything that goes like that. Luckily, my boss at the time got caught doing meth and gambling away deposits but i had all my records ready --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:949815221] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>My dad worked in management and when i was like 17 having trouble with my boss he told me to take extensive notes. He told me to take notes of each thing that happened, detailed, date, timed. Its a he said she said kinda thing. You gotta fight so hard for anything that goes like that. Luckily, my boss at the time got caught doing meth and gambling away deposits but i had all my records ready </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vigorm0rtis 01/23/21 12:15:31 AM #14:	Cleo_II posted... Yes youre right, pointless isnt the right word. Just ineffective. Im sorry you went through the same thing We both have work at least, yeah? You'll get there. If you can do it pregnant you can do it again. --- "Can't wait to count out your coin!" -- Bethesda, 2018 <cite>vigorm0rtis posted [p:949815272] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>Cleo_II posted... </cite> <quote> Yes youre right, pointless isnt the right word. Just ineffective. Im sorry you went through the same thing</quote> We both have work at least, yeah? You'll get there. If you can do it pregnant you can do it again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cleo_II 01/23/21 12:22:14 AM #15:	Jiek_Fafn posted... This Like overall, wtf is up with your manager that they won't level with you at all? Your manager's response was horrible imo. You asked solid mature questions on how to advance and they basically told you to piss off. Im guessing its because theyve already had talks about promo cycles and they know they want to put me up when I get back and save money I4NRulez posted... My dad worked in management and when i was like 17 having trouble with my boss he told me to take extensive notes. He told me to take notes of each thing that happened, detailed, date, timed. Its a he said she said kinda thing. You gotta fight so hard for anything that goes like that. Luckily, my boss at the time got caught doing meth and gambling away deposits but i had all my records ready Yes I do the same. Always document. I even made a PowerPoint of my growth plan so its in writing. The leveling guide is in writing. But I bet you if I called a lawyer and tried to fight it wouldnt go anywhere because proving its specifically because Im pregnant is impossible unless I have that in writing as well. Its why sexual harassment/discrimination is so rampant. Good luck proving it. vigorm0rtis posted... We both have work at least, yeah? You'll get there. If you can do it pregnant you can do it again. Yes. Like I said I dont regret coming back. I still had some benefits. Good pay and flexibility. I can easily find another job whenever I want. But I cant help but feel devalued and hurt. eats another cookie <cite>Cleo_II posted [p:949815438] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>Jiek_Fafn posted... </cite> <quote>This Like overall, wtf is up with your manager that they won't level with you at all? Your manager's response was horrible imo. You asked solid mature questions on how to advance and they basically told you to piss off.</quote>Im guessing its because theyve already had talks about promo cycles and they know they want to put me up when I get back and save money I4NRulez posted... </cite> <quote>My dad worked in management and when i was like 17 having trouble with my boss he told me to take extensive notes. He told me to take notes of each thing that happened, detailed, date, timed. Its a he said she said kinda thing. You gotta fight so hard for anything that goes like that. Luckily, my boss at the time got caught doing meth and gambling away deposits but i had all my records ready</quote>Yes I do the same. Always document. I even made a PowerPoint of my growth plan so its in writing. The leveling guide is in writing. But I bet you if I called a lawyer and tried to fight it wouldnt go anywhere because proving its specifically because Im pregnant is impossible unless I have that in writing as well. Its why sexual harassment/discrimination is so rampant. Good luck proving it. vigorm0rtis posted... </cite> <quote>We both have work at least, yeah? You'll get there. If you can do it pregnant you can do it again.</quote>Yes. Like I said I dont regret coming back. I still had some benefits. Good pay and flexibility. I can easily find another job whenever I want. But I cant help but feel devalued and hurt. eats another cookie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vigorm0rtis 01/23/21 12:23:47 AM #16:	Cleo_II posted... But I cant help but feel devalued and hurt. eats another cookie Those feelings are entirely valid. And you deserve every cookie. --- "Can't wait to count out your coin!" -- Bethesda, 2018 <cite>vigorm0rtis posted [p:949815492] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>Cleo_II posted... </cite> <quote> But I cant help but feel devalued and hurt. eats another cookie</quote> Those feelings are entirely valid. And you deserve every cookie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 01/23/21 12:33:37 AM #17:	Theyre definitely immaterial for the majority of cases. >_> --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:949815754] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>Theyre definitely immaterial for the majority of cases. >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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teepan95 01/23/21 1:29:47 AM #19:	Cleo_II posted... But I bet you if I called a lawyer and tried to fight it wouldnt go anywhere because proving its specifically because Im pregnant is impossible unless I have that in writing as well. Its why sexual harassment/discrimination is so rampant. Good luck proving it. Maybe consider contacting a lawyer and getting a consultation? Worst case scenario you merely waste a bit of time and money, best case scenario a lawsuit works out Either way, I'm sorry you're going through this --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teepan95 posted [p:949817008] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>Cleo_II posted...</cite> <quote>But I bet you if I called a lawyer and tried to fight it wouldnt go anywhere because proving its specifically because Im pregnant is impossible unless I have that in writing as well. Its why sexual harassment/discrimination is so rampant. Good luck proving it. </quote> Maybe consider contacting a lawyer and getting a consultation? Worst case scenario you merely waste a bit of time and money, best case scenario a lawsuit works out Either way, I'm sorry you're going through this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cleo_II 01/23/21 11:16:43 AM #20:	teepan95 posted... Maybe consider contacting a lawyer and getting a consultation? Worst case scenario you merely waste a bit of time and money, best case scenario a lawsuit works out Either way, I'm sorry you're going through this Thanks. I just know that without enough evidence it wont go anywhere and would be a time/money sink even if I found a lawyer who would take the case. Im glad I know now though because Ive been tasked with so much its been very stressful to the point that Ive been worrying about my pregnancy. So thats why I forced a conversation about it. Now that I know, I wont be endangering myself like that and Ill try to take these next two months as easy as I can. <cite>Cleo_II posted [p:949826258] in All these ... [t:79254780]...</cite> <quote>teepan95 posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe consider contacting a lawyer and getting a consultation? Worst case scenario you merely waste a bit of time and money, best case scenario a lawsuit works out Either way, I'm sorry you're going through this</quote>Thanks. I just know that without enough evidence it wont go anywhere and would be a time/money sink even if I found a lawyer who would take the case. Im glad I know now though because Ive been tasked with so much its been very stressful to the point that Ive been worrying about my pregnancy. So thats why I forced a conversation about it. Now that I know, I wont be endangering myself like that and Ill try to take these next two months as easy as I can. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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