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Darmik
02/10/21 5:24:43 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Is this to be woke or because Mahershala Ali is a bankable actor?

He's a great actor that's probably too good to be in a video game adaptation to be quite frank.

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EricDraven59
02/10/21 5:25:15 PM
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Damn this is great bait. But i can't bite this time as much as i want to. I'm tired of getting modded on this board
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deanshow
02/10/21 5:26:36 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Is this to be woke or because Mahershala Ali is a bankable actor?
He's a great actor that also won't probably demand as much money as other fan favorite castings. Plus he's a great actor and will bring the tone of Joel to life. (If he accepts the role)

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hockeybub89
02/10/21 5:32:23 PM
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Race matters no more than eye color for a lot of characters. Yeah, Geralt needs cat eyes, but no one gives a fuck whatever Nathan Drake's eye color is.

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Ivynn
02/10/21 5:34:35 PM
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I thought TLOU tv show wasn't going to follow Joel and Ellie.

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HylianFox
02/10/21 5:37:52 PM
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you know what, I'm not gonna risk getting modded with that post

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Darmik
02/10/21 5:38:45 PM
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HylianFox posted...
this may be true, but it's still considered offensive for black characters to be replaced with white actors.
yet, it's acceptable the other way around.

I'm not trying to defend racism (god forbid), but there's no denying the double-standard either

Because there's barely black main characters to adapt and usually their race is a big part of the story. It's a smaller bucket to choose from in general.

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HylianFox
02/10/21 5:40:00 PM
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Darmik posted...
Because there's barely black main characters to adapt and usually their race is a big part of the story.

also true

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Proto_Spark
02/10/21 5:43:36 PM
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Ivynn posted...
I thought TLOU tv show wasn't going to follow Joel and Ellie.

I don't think it should. TLOU is in a lot of ways just a Long movie anyways. Its not a game I think would be improved by making it a movie.

maybe it could be during the four year gap between TLOU1 and 2?
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Ivynn
02/10/21 5:45:23 PM
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HylianFox posted...
this may be true, but it's still considered offensive for black characters to be replaced with white actors.
yet, it's acceptable the other way around.

I'm not trying to defend racism (god forbid), but there's no denying the double-standard either

The argument I've seen (and honestly, it makes sense to me) is that the goal is to increase representation and replacing a black character with a white actor takes away representation thus defeating the purpose.

Like, say a story has 10 characters; 9 white, 1 black. The studio adapting it for screen decides to raceswap one of the white characters. So in the adaptation, there is now 8 white characters and 2 black characters. Representation is increased.

But if we were to be all "fair is fair" about it and say "then a black character must be replaced with a white actor to make up for it!", then recast the black character with a white actor, we end up with 9 white characters and 1 black character. Still. No representation is increased, status quo is kept. Or let's say there is no raceswapping of a white character but we still raceswap the black character. Now we have 10 white characters in the adaptation and 0 black characters. Representation is actually lost.

So that's why it seems going white > black is okay but going black > white is not okay. The goal isn't really equality, only increasing representation.

Does this help?

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_MorningStar
02/10/21 5:45:40 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Maybe they can also get Zendaya to play Ellie

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Actually both of these sound amazing.

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cuttin_in_farm
02/10/21 5:46:44 PM
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I feel like if he can grow a gruff beard, it should be fine. And have an accent.

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/10/21 5:46:56 PM
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It really doesn't matter. Honestly if he's a good southern boy exNFL qb, I'm slightly more interested

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Darmik
02/10/21 5:49:13 PM
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HylianFox posted...
but it is weird how white people have become 'generic' in media, like a blank coloring book you just fill in with whatever and it doesn't change the overall theme

Because a lot of media is generic stuff that defaults to white Americans. Especially old stuff.

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/10/21 5:50:59 PM
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ImAMarvel posted...
Can't wait to hear the racists get mad over this even though Joel was basically a dime-a-dozen zombie apocalypse protagonist (though I still liked him).

They might like it since Joel is just a murdering beast who's only guiding light towards being human is a white teenaged girl that he halfway kidnaps

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Arcanine2009
02/10/21 5:54:45 PM
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hugh jackman would have been my identical candidate. But he will be good. he's a good actor

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ultimate reaver
02/10/21 5:58:02 PM
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mahershala ali is a better actor than whatever busted old white guy theyd actually manage to secure for an adaption of a generic zombie story thats only notable aspect is it's an interactive version of the sorts of shows hbo has been pumping out for a decade

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HBKick18
02/10/21 5:59:01 PM
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CommonStar posted...
He's pretty good.

I still haven't watched his season of True Detective though.
not as good as the first season but still v good, mostly thanks to mahershala ali.

he's and incredible actor but I'm still skeptical the show will be good

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deanshow
02/10/21 5:59:05 PM
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Ivynn posted...
HylianFox posted...

The argument I've seen (and honestly, it makes sense to me) is that the goal is to increase representation and replacing a black character with a white actor takes away representation thus defeating the purpose.

Like, say a story has 10 characters; 9 white, 1 black. The studio adapting it for screen decides to raceswap one of the white characters. So in the adaptation, there is now 8 white characters and 2 black characters. Representation is increased.

But if we were to be all "fair is fair" about it and say "then a black character must be replaced with a white actor to make up for it!", then recast the black character with a white actor, we end up with 9 white characters and 1 black character. Still. No representation is increased, status quo is kept. Or let's say there is no raceswapping of a white character but we still raceswap the black character. Now we have 10 white characters in the adaptation and 0 black characters. Representation is actually lost.

So that's why it seems going white > black is okay but going black > white is not okay. The goal isn't really equality, only increasing representation.

Does this help?
Best argument made about this topic

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MonkeyBones23
02/10/21 5:59:54 PM
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This is pretty bad casting imo but will reserve final judgement until it comes out (if the rumor is even true).

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E32005
02/10/21 6:00:34 PM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
unironically yes
the final scene between them actually made me tear up. very few games, shit, any stories, can do this.

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hockeybub89
02/10/21 6:01:11 PM
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Smackems
02/10/21 6:04:43 PM
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Lmao

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SuperExcitebike
02/10/21 6:26:55 PM
#77:


AmericaTheBrave posted...
Is this to be woke or because Mahershala Ali is a bankable actor?

Probably both. I would really like that casting though. Mahershala is a terrific actor

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Crepes
02/10/21 6:38:32 PM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
Because he is now Elliot Page.

what?

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ScazarMeltex
02/10/21 6:39:30 PM
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This will upset people.

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Solid Snake07
02/10/21 6:42:11 PM
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Great actor, he doesn't really look anything like Joel through

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ECW_Originals12
02/10/21 7:31:08 PM
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SquirtleSkwad posted...
Great actor, but idk about him as Joel.


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EmperorOfSand
02/10/21 7:35:47 PM
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Never seen anything with him in it so cant judge his skill, but he doesnt look like Joel so I cant really get behind it.

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FortuneCookie
02/10/21 7:36:55 PM
#83:


Darmik posted...
Damn there's not even a Shaft for video games to name drop.

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Ivany2008
02/10/21 7:57:47 PM
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I'd rather someone who looks closer to Joel take the part. Like a David Harbour, or a Jeff Bridges. I'd even be fine with them casting a muslim or Indian actor for the role. While he may be an incredible actor, yes visuals do take hold in this instance. He's a very dark skinned person, and very skinny, whereas Joel is a bit chubbier around the cheeks. I'd be willing to give him a shot as I gave MCD a shot as Kingpin and absolutely loved him.

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Caroniver
02/10/21 7:58:51 PM
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He's not nearly old enough.
Also, why make a miniseries out of a movie?

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Ivany2008
02/10/21 7:59:33 PM
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Video game... not a movie...
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Caroniver
02/10/21 8:06:47 PM
#87:


Darmik posted...
I think they're also developing a Fireflies show too.
Bet it'll be cancelled after one season, get a cult following, and then a divisive movie years later.

DarthAragorn posted...
Should just be Hugh Jackman...

Darmik posted...
Because there's barely black main characters to adapt and usually their race is a big part of the story. It's a smaller bucket to choose from in general.
So then why adapt at all? Why not just make something new instead of halfassing a product to cash in on someone else's work?


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LordFarquad1312
02/10/21 8:08:51 PM
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Awesome actor, would have been a terrible casting.

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cjsdowg
02/10/21 8:18:05 PM
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As long as they get Gronk to the Play Abby anything else don't matter.

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Darmik
02/10/21 8:19:20 PM
#90:


Caroniver posted...
Bet it'll be cancelled after one season, get a cult following, and then a divisive movie years later.

So then why adapt at all? Why not just make something new instead of halfassing a product to cash in on someone else's work?

Same reason Spider-Man still isn't set in the 60s. To appeal to modern audiences.

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SauI_Goodman
02/10/21 8:20:07 PM
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Remember when they gave kingpin to mcd. How all the fanboys lost their shit.

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Middle hope
02/10/21 8:20:14 PM
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Collat
02/10/21 8:30:38 PM
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It'll probably be bad.

Not because of the casting, but because they are adapting a video game to live action.
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CloudThunder
02/10/21 8:31:04 PM
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a black man can't play a whi.......oh,i see whats going on here.
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DrizztLink
02/10/21 8:33:04 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
Remember when they gave kingpin to mcd. How all the fanboys lost their shit.
That was probably the only good part of that shitstorm of a movie.

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Barber102
02/10/21 8:36:12 PM
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Who cares who they cast, video game to movie adaptions are almost always dogshit.

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Smashingpmkns
02/10/21 9:03:12 PM
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Apparently they announced Mahershala Ali won't be playing Joel. They cast Bella Ramsey as Ellie though.
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Lairen
02/10/21 9:04:34 PM
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So they gave it to a MAN? Sexist af.

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CADE FOSTER
02/10/21 9:04:59 PM
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Lyanna mormont gonna slay
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Ivany2008
02/10/21 9:07:38 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
That was probably the only good part of that shitstorm of a movie.

There was nothing wrong with MCD or Bens performance. The problem for the most part wasn't the actors, it was the terrible story.
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Infinite 2003
02/10/21 9:09:00 PM
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I can see the resemblance

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ZeroX91
02/10/21 9:10:40 PM
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Jagr_68 posted...
https://giphy.com/gifs/13cptIwW9bgzk6UVyr/html5
I dont even get excited for this kinda stuff anymore...im just kinda tired of it all.

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