Poll of the Day > Things that Democrats stand for.

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What are things that Democrats stand for?

For example: Mary Jane Legalization

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healthcare as a human right

a living wage for full time workers

equal opportunity regardless of race, religion, gender or sexuality

Law enforcement and prison reform

Immigration reform and ease of access to voting

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You guys seem to be confusing democrats with leftists. Even the few listed that they do stand for are at best met with half measures that ultimately don't work. Like the $15 min wage, sure that's better than not raising it at all, but that should've been the wage like ten years ago

GrabASnickers posted...

You guys seem to be confusing democrats with leftists. Even the few listed that they do stand for are at best met with half measures that ultimately don't work. Like the $15 min wage, sure that's better than not raising it at all, but that should've been the wage like ten years ago

And republicans kept preventing it. How interesting.

GrabASnickers posted...

You guys seem to be confusing democrats with leftists. Even the few listed that they do stand for are at best met with half measures that ultimately don't work. Like the $15 min wage, sure that's better than not raising it at all, but that should've been the wage like ten years ago

Its not like Democrats are pushing for a $15 minimum wage because thats what they think it should be, its because a large portion of the public has been bamboozled into believing that raising wages leads to job loss despite no evidence that it does, studies actually prove the opposite

public support is everything in politics, its why republicans couldnt abolish the ACA despite having majority control of every branch of government

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The constitution.

Republicans are worse no question, but Dems are impotent losers. Most of them are either just true centrists at heart or centrist as a failed political tactic. They've wasted so many opportunities trying to find a mythical middle ground with a party that won't play along anyway when the shoe's on the other foot. Plus it's increasingly obvious that republicans don't care about the American people at all, defeat them by shutting them out of the conversation rather than trying to bring everyone to the middle

The status quo

Mead posted...

Its not like Democrats are pushing for a $15 minimum wage because thats what they think it should be, its because a large portion of the public has been bamboozled into believing that raising wages leads to job loss despite no evidence that it does, studies actually prove the opposite

Maybe if the Dems actually raised it during any of the many opportunities they had in the past, giving the public empirical evidence to go off that it works, they wouldn't be so spooked by the idea, and it would've been a death sentence to have wage stagnation as part of your platform (for either party)

GrabASnickers posted...

Republicans are worse no question, but Dems are impotent losers. Most of them are either just true centrists at heart or centrist as a failed political tactic. They've wasted so many opportunities trying to find a mythical middle ground with a party that won't play along anyway when the shoe's on the other foot. Plus it's increasingly obvious that republicans don't care about the American people at all, defeat them by shutting them out of the conversation rather than trying to bring everyone to the middle

thanks to the filibuster what youre describing simply isnt an option most of the time

unless theres an overwhelming majority in the senate you have to convince some people from the other side to vote with you if you want to pass legislation

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GrabASnickers posted...

Maybe if the Dems actually raised it during any of the many opportunities they had in the past

Who do you think has pushed for it to be raised again and again over the years? My first job I made $5.25 an hour and if not for democratic legislators pushing for an increase that would still be the minimum wage today

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They used a supermajority to pass shitty ass Obamacare instead of actually doing a public healthcare plan. It would've had challenges sure but given how much republicans were able to be spooked out of repealing Obamacare imagine if it had been a non shit health bill that people actually liked

I vote for Dems because I'm sure as hell not going to vote for republicans but we don't need to act like they're our greatest ally looking out for our interests or that their actions are generally justifiable

equal opportunity regardless of race, religion, gender or sexuality

The problem here between Democrats and Extreme Leftist, is that one side wants "equality", but the other demand "equity".

I'm all for equality, let them be doctors and politicians, accountants, or whatever.....open that door to opportunity and see what happens. Do it, I'm all for it.

But with equity, therein lies the problem, because in order to gain "their version of equality" is to take away from other people. This is wrong, and only adds fuel to the fire. It breeds entitlement. It breeds a protected class. And you're always going to get backlash in the form of those you make demands upon to adopt the politics of the extreme polar opposite just to create a 'balance'.


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This topic was supposed to help me figure out where to invest some money today. Instead you guys keep bickering.

Im outta here.

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democrats stand for not giving me my fucking $1400 and dropping bombs on somalia

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

democrats stand for not giving me my fucking $1400 and dropping bombs on somalia

So $2,000 on Lockheed Martin?

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GrabASnickers posted...
GrabASnickers posted...

They used a supermajority to pass shitty ass Obamacare instead of actually doing a public healthcare plan. It would've had challenges sure but given how much republicans were able to be spooked out of repealing Obamacare imagine if it had been a non shit health bill that people actually liked

people were convinced at the time that there wasnt enough public support for a single payer healthcare plan and at the time they were right

GrabASnickers posted...

I vote for Dems because I'm sure as hell not going to vote for republicans but we don't need to act like they're our greatest ally looking out for our interests or that their actions are generally justifiable

I agree with you there. Theyre far from saints, just the better option of what there is to realistically choose from

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You guys are no help.

@blu Where you at?

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They don't stand for anything, they just tell voters what they want to hear

If they actually cared there wouldn't be the systemic racism, immunity for cops, income inequality, etc that they claim to be against

Neither side cares about you or the average Joe, they only care about winning elections and making money at any cost

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Muscles posted...

If they actually cared there wouldn't be the systemic racism, immunity for cops, income inequality, etc that they claim to be against

This doesnt even come close to making any sense Muscles

why do you do this

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Mead posted...

This doesnt even come close to making any sense Muscles

why do you do this

It does make sense if you realize they are part of the problem and could have made great strides in ending it already if they actually cared

Look at kamala, she wouldn't prosecute cops that killed innocent black people when she was the attorney general of California, and only flip flopped after the Michael brown outrage. Most politicians on both sides are pragmatic assholes that only look out for themselves

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/us/politics/kamala-harris-policing.html

I don't think regular people that are democrats are bad people, they are generally good people that let politicians manipulate them, though I guess that could be said for most people regardless of their political beliefs

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Taco trucks on every corner (thanks for the idea Trump campaign).

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Mead posted...

This doesnt even come close to making any sense Muscles

why do you do this

Well as he said in the part you didn't quote, they mainly do stuff to secure themselves future elections rather than doing what's best. You basically said it yourself too, in that they did Obamacare because single payer was (debatably) unpopular. Now I imagine you're going to say that as elected representatives they should do what people want, but guess what: They (including republicans) fail to do that all the time anyway. And Obamacare was still going to be smeared as socialism regardless, and nobody ended up really excited about it anyway. Then Dems lost, a lot, and not that many years later single payer has a lot more public support. They totally fucking blew it.

Status quo in this country is unfortunately based largely in right wing propaganda and that probably won't change with these incremental steps, so I say to hell with "popularity", just execute the big ideas and let the results speak for themselves, especially when you're just going to lose being a centrist anyway

BlackScythe0 posted...

The constitution.

right to bear arms is in the constitution
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

right to bear arms is in the constitution

Where? I was under the impression it was only in the amendments to the constitution.

HornedLion posted...

This topic was supposed to help me figure out where to invest some money today. Instead you guys keep bickering.

Im outta here.

Leftist;
Single-payer healthcare
Publicly funded politicians
$15 minimum wage tied to inflation
New infrastructure deal to transition from fossil feuls
Free college
No billionaires
Legalize all drugs, especially weed

Democrat and leftist;
Strong unions
Half-assed single-payer healthcare
Throwing Fox News hosts into gulags (for fun)
Satanist pedophile rings and whatnot or whatever
Environmentalist regulation
Pro-immigration
Social security
BLM
Pro-choice
Anti-discrimination laws
decriminalize weed
Anti-religious fundamentalism
Gun control

Centrist Democrat and not leftist;
War
Pro-lobbying
Pro-health insurance
Unity
Vapid meaningless farts

I could have listed socialist as well, they're very interesting and misunderstood in general.

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Muscles posted...

It does make sense if you realize they are part of the problem and could have made great strides in ending it already if they actually cared

Look at kamala, she wouldn't prosecute cops that killed innocent black people when she was the attorney general of California, and only flip flopped after the Michael brown outrage. Most politicians on both sides are pragmatic assholes that only look out for themselves

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/us/politics/kamala-harris-policing.html

I don't think regular people that are democrats are bad people, they are generally good people that let politicians manipulate them, though I guess that could be said for most people regardless of their political beliefs

you tend to cherry pick when it comes to politicians though and decide what you think defines their career even if it doesnt reflect reality

do you really think as VP Harris is gonna try to make it more difficult for cops to be prosecuted?

Stop fixating on individuals and look at actual policies, thats the only way to slowly change things for the better

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

right to bear arms is in the constitution

The constitution is more than that, not to mention that you're most likely saying that under the misinterpretation that currently reigns supreme.

Yellow posted...

Leftist;
Single-payer healthcare
Publicly funded politicians
$15 minimum wage tied to inflation
New infrastructure deal to transition from fossil feuls
Free college
No billionaires
Legalize all drugs, especially weed

Democrat and leftist;
Strong unions
Half-assed single-payer healthcare
Throwing Fox News hosts into gulags (for fun)
Satanist pedophile rings and whatnot or whatever
Environmentalist regulation
Pro-immigration
Social security
BLM
Pro-choice
Anti-discrimination laws
decriminalize weed
Anti-religious fundamentalism
Gun control

Centrist Democrat and not leftist;
War
Pro-lobbying
Pro-health insurance
Unity
Vapid meaningless farts

I could have listed socialist as well, they're very interesting and misunderstood in general.

you're trying, but you're still adding spicy drama. Gulags!?!?


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Mead posted...

you tend to cherry pick when it comes to politicians though and decide what you think defines their career even if it doesnt reflect reality

do you really think as VP Harris is gonna try to make it more difficult for cops to be prosecuted?

Stop fixating on individuals and look at actual policies, thats the only way to slowly change things for the better

muscles has long been notorious for believing he understands matters far beyond him, ok?

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ReturnOfFa posted...

you're trying, but you're still adding spicy drama. Gulags!?!?

I'm making fun of the fox news clip with some wall street guy that said Bernie would have thrown him in a gulag if he'd won.

I can't find it because all you get searching anything political is this weird sponsorship between Google and big news sites' latest news.

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I know it's easy to laugh at Muscles, and he can be a bit too hand-wavy with "both sides" a lot, but I don't really see him saying anything all that ridiculous here

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My post was the only 100% serious post on here.
Taco trucks on every corner is a very common neoliberal talking point.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

lol

GrabASnickers posted...

I know it's easy to laugh at Muscles, and he can be a bit too hand-wavy with "both sides" a lot, but I don't really see him saying anything all that ridiculous here

if he wishes to join a discussion he can, but we shouldn't have to lower the bar and deal with his aggressive behavior, ok?

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Not a whole lot, outside expanding federal power. Not that either party stands for much. They pay lip service to many of the same issues while being on board with other issues, although the politicians themselves can favor a wide variety of nonsense and then there are token issues that they use to sucker in voters. There are some differences on social issues where elected Democrats want to police everything under the sun while Republicans are like, "Yo, chill the fuck out."

Both Democrats and Republicans candidates will promote the same kinds of issues -- they'll both time about healthcare reform, they'll talk about prison reform, they'll talk about tax reform, they'll make some remarks about the economy, and so on. Then they have their separate approaches where Republicans try to shrink government (except the military) and Democrats try to government (often including the military). Of course, when a Democrat says "tax reform," it means hard-working Americans' taxes are going up (generally to pay more government employees or to pay people to not work), so there's one of your big differences.

Arcturusisnow posted...

And republicans kept preventing it. How interesting.

They had had control of congress, senate, and the White House around when Obama took office. They literally could have done it then, just like they did with the ACA.

GrabASnickers posted...

Most of them are either just true centrists at heart or centrist as a failed political tactic. They've wasted so many opportunities trying to find a mythical middle ground with a party that won't play along anyway when the shoe's on the other foot.

lolwut? First, most Democrats are too far to the left to be considered centrist in Sweden. Almost every candidate on the DNC's primary stage favored a wealth tax, something that even Sweden abolished and most of Europe got rid of. That's your baseline for candidates. At one point, the radicals were on the fringe for Democrats but -- like Republicans in the case of people like Ted Cruz who finished *second* in 2016 (although Jeb dropped out quickly) -- they've become more mainstream.


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You always cherry pick the same one issue, which is way more relevant here (where we have a much larger amount of billionaires/higher general wealth inequality gap) as "proof" that Dems are far left, but you could pick many more that place the US to the right of numerous countries. Go away

GrabASnickers posted...

I know it's easy to laugh at Muscles, and he can be a bit too hand-wavy with "both sides" a lot, but I don't really see him saying anything all that ridiculous here

that should concern you

hes constantly pushing back against some group that he thinks believes that democrats are flawless individuals that have never been vulnerable to corruption or incompetence as all people can be

Ive never met a person that thinks anything of the sort

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Zeus posted...

Almost every candidate on the DNC's primary stage favored a wealth tax,

What the fuck

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The thing about the Democrats is they are currently a coalition of politicians who aren't willing to support fascism and corruption. So it includes a lot of people who would be considered right wing in most nations. It also includes a lot of people who are clearly left wing.

The reason you have a weird party like this is that the current system in the US means all these groups need to fight tooth and nail to stop the GOP from ripping the country apart at the seams. And they aren't doing a great job of it.

So it's difficult to establish a clear party platform, and this largely depends on who is in charge at the time. The GOP, oddly enough, runs under a similar system. Because both groups realize US democracy is flawed and exploitable and will swing hard if they don't do their best to exploit it themselves. This probably isn't going to be fixed barring a major change like the complete destruction of one of the two parties.


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Mead posted...

group that he thinks believes that democrats are flawless individuals that have never been vulnerable to corruption or incompetence as all people can be

Ive never met a person that thinks anything of the sort

Have you never seen some of the braindead libs that came out of the Trump era? People saying shit like "I miss having a president with zero scandals" over glowing images of Obama, doing image rehab that nobody asked for on George W Bush, a guy who isn't even a Dem and is one of the most evil and destructive people of our lifetimes

Democrats stand for taking a knee...

:B

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GrabASnickers posted...

Have you never seen some of the braindead libs that came out of the Trump era? People saying shit like "I miss having a president with zero scandals" over glowing images of Obama, doing image rehab that nobody asked for on George W Bush, a guy who isn't even a Dem and is one of the most evil and destructive people of our lifetimes

yes, there are stupid people in any group

so what

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Zeus posted...

Not a whole lot, outside expanding federal power. Not that either party stands for much. They pay lip service to many of the same issues while being on board with other issues, although the politicians themselves can favor a wide variety of nonsense and then there are token issues that they use to sucker in voters. There are some differences on social issues where elected Democrats want to police everything under the sun while Republicans are like, "Yo, chill the fuck out."

Both Democrats and Republicans candidates will promote the same kinds of issues -- they'll both time about healthcare reform, they'll talk about prison reform, they'll talk about tax reform, they'll make some remarks about the economy, and so on. Then they have their separate approaches where Republicans try to shrink government (except the military) and Democrats try to government (often including the military). Of course, when a Democrat says "tax reform," it means hard-working Americans' taxes are going up (generally to pay more government employees or to pay people to not work), so there's one of your big differences.

They had had control of congress, senate, and the White House around when Obama took office. They literally could have done it then, just like they did with the ACA.

lolwut? First, most Democrats are too far to the left to be considered centrist in Sweden. Almost every candidate on the DNC's primary stage favored a wealth tax, something that even Sweden abolished and most of Europe got rid of. That's your baseline for candidates. At one point, the radicals were on the fringe for Democrats but -- like Republicans in the case of people like Ted Cruz who finished *second* in 2016 (although Jeb dropped out quickly) -- they've become more mainstream.

lol look at the traitor trying to go "both sides!"

Being a party that tries to make everyone happy and, as a result, makes no one happy.

I am of the opinion that the Democrats need to be divided up into three or four other parties that more accurately represent all the disparate interests it is supposed to contain.

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Zeus posted...

lolwut? First, most Democrats are too far to the left to be considered centrist in Sweden. Almost every candidate on the DNC's primary stage favored a wealth tax, something that even Sweden abolished and most of Europe got rid of. That's your baseline for candidates. At one point, the radicals were on the fringe for Democrats but -- like Republicans in the case of people like Ted Cruz who finished *second* in 2016 (although Jeb dropped out quickly) -- they've become more mainstream.

lolwut You're just straight up lying. Sweden's Conservative party is far left of our Democrats. This is getting really irritating.

Sweden's Conservative party is socially Conservative while being "radically left" economically. They wouldn't dare touch single payer, but they do try to find ways to make Swedish people miserable in other ways. The leader (son of an oil executive) is pro-deregulation (I wonder why) and anti-welfare (I wonder why)

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Fredrik-Reinfeldt

The centrist party is interested in preserving their welfare state. Anything left is more progressive.

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I_Abibde posted...

Being a party that tries to make everyone happy and, as a result, makes no one happy.

I am of the opinion that the Democrats need to be divided up into three or four other parties that more accurately represent all the disparate interests it is supposed to contain.

That actually sounds pretty true. They do attempt to make everyone happy, but it doesn't really work out that way at all. It seems to backfire.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

The constitution is more than that, not to mention that you're most likely saying that under the misinterpretation that currently reigns supreme.

you said they stand for it, they clearly only stand for parts of it
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