Current Events > So if I already make $15 when the min wage in my state is $9

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and minimum wage gets bumped to $15....

will I still make $15 or likely get a small bump, to not be making minimum

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Its an international company but were getting bought out, so idk.


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From my side of the fence back in the fast food days, it will NOT scale up.

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My cynical brain tells me hypothetically you could be bumped to just $15.25 or something insignificant because some 'Murican businesses are fucking scum like that.

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I make $15hr too, and I said 2 weeks ago that if we dont get a raise I'm going to an easier job. Hell I would make sandwiches for 8hrs vs my 10hr shift for same pay.

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modena posted...

I make $15hr too, and I said 2 weeks ago that if we dont get a raise I'm going to an easier job. Hell I would make sandwiches for 8hrs vs my 10hr shift for same pay.

id still probably take the 10s, just for the extra day off

but yeah Ill probably find a less stressful job where I dont carry a gun lol

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If that happens, then youre about to make minimum wage

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No, but you can quit your job and go get a minimum wage job

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I worked for Walmart in Canada when we were adjusting our minimum wage yearly. I often got small raises to go with it but often it was just 10 to 20 cents when the jump was a dollar or more.

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Theoretically, your employer should be incentivized to raise your wage because otherwise you could just leave and work at any minimum wage job.

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Get rekt

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Yes, you'll likely get a raise

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At my country before they do minimum wage college/university graduate make 1300 a month and highschool graduate get 1000 or less a month

Then my country make 1300 for minimum wage highschool graduate get 1300 a month while college/university graduate no change still get 1300 a month

I talk about bachelor degree starter salary not master and up
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Is that like ubi?

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This is one reason the minimum wage increase is a bad idea. The Left will try to say it will make everyone's wages go up, but why the hell would that happen? You think employers are chomping at the bit to raise your pay 40% when they don't have to?

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deupd_u posted...

This is one reason the minimum wage increase is a bad idea. The Left will try to say it will make everyone's wages go up, but why the hell would that happen? You think employers are chomping at the bit to raise your pay 40% when they don't have to?

That's just a theory but like one poster mentioned here, there's also a greater outcome where people just quit their jobs they hate for something else that's fulfilling to them at the same pay rate.

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The employer is not obligated to give a raise

Lol no

They already got to pay your coworkers more if they make less

Why would they bump you?

Oh yeah your $15/hr isn't gonna buy as much either.

Companies are always trying to save money so my guess is everyone already getting $15 an hour will not see a pay change

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i feel like they'll keep you on $15/hr

but it depends if they want to look competitive and like a better place to work than their rivals i guess

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Propane4Sale posted...

That's just a theory but like one poster mentioned here, there's also a greater outcome where people just quit their jobs they hate for something else that's fulfilling to them at the same pay rate.

meh this helps

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Cerealmilk posted...

Oh yeah your $15/hr isn't gonna buy as much either.

source?

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maybe Ill go work for a pet store or something

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You should be comparing your employer's benefits then. Most low-paying jobs don't have any.

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Mine doesnt have any. The only thing Ill lose is pto.

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It's called the ripple effect and it's well-documented

In a recent study, Arindrajit Dube of the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, Laura Giuliano of the University of Miami, and Jonathan Leonard of the University of California-Berkeley find substantial evidence of a ripple effect in a large U.S. retailers pay policies. In 1996 and 1997, the federal government raised the minimum wage of $4.25 an hour in two steps to $4.75 and $5.15. The authors find that the large retail company, which was promised anonymity in order to provide data for study, raised its wages by 30 to 40 percent across its entire hourly workforce even though only 5 to 10 percent of this national firms employees earned less than the minimum wage.

There are good reasons to expect to see this same kind of ripple effect of raising the minimum wage more broadly in the U.S. labor market. In particular, economic theory suggests that increasing the minimum wage will raise the wages of other workers when employers need to compete for workers, as in some search-and-matching models of the labor market. Imagine all firms occupy rungs on a ladder, ranked by how well they pay their workers. After a minimum wage increase, the lowest paying firms raise their wage to the new minimum. This leads the next rungs of higher-paying firms to raise wages as wellto increase their ability to recruit and retain workers who would have better options elsewhere due to the minimum wage increase. The minimum wage then filters its way up the labor market, with ripple effects declining in influence further up the ladder.

Alternatively, workers may care about how they are paid relative to other workers at in their own workplace. After a minimum wage increase, will a supervisor be content with a wage similar to her now more highly paid staff? To the extent that employees are concerned about relative wages within a business, firms may raise wages in accordance with their institutional norms.

Whether ripple effects are largely market-mediated across firms or are instead based on relative pay concerns within the firm are open questions that get to the heart of wage-setting mechanisms in the labor market. The research by Dube, Giuliano, and Leonard on the large U.S. retailer suggests that within-firm pay concerns may matter a great deal because they affect how employees search for jobs. The retail industry famously boasts a high rate of employee turnover, and the authors find that workers quit their job significantly less often after minimum wage increases. This effect, however, largely occurs through relative pay concerns, such as when a worker receives a pay raise relative to her peers, she is far less likely to quit than if she had not received that relative increase in pay.

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In addition to this one case study, economists find general evidence of these kinds of ripple effects from raising the U.S. minimum wage. The best estimates, though, appear in research conducted by economists David Autor of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Alan Manning of the London School of Economics, and Christopher Smith of the Federal Reserve Board. They study all state and federal minimum wage increases from 1979 through 2012, and measure the effect of the raises at each point of the wage distribution.

The authors find that the sharpest wage increases due to raising the minimum wage occur for workers at the bottom five percent of the wage scale, where U.S. minimum-wage workers are most likely to be concentrated. A ten percent increase in the minimum wage raises that 5th percentile wage by about 2.9 percent. The study also finds evidence of ripple effects as the minimum wage increases wages for workers who make more than the minimumand that these ripple effects dissipate the further one moves up the wage ladder. The same ten percent minimum wage increase raises the wages of workers at the 10th percentile of wages by about 1.6 percent and raises the wages of those in the 20th percentile by a statistically significant 0.7 percent. After the 25th percentile, wage effects are typically very small and statistically indistinguishable from zero.

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At best, you'd see some sort of real change several years later after employers realize it's difficult to replace someone at minimum wage. This will require them to go through that experience several times though.

So most likely, many will bounce around from job to job for awhile.

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You will make the same most likely.

But if you believe you are valued more than minimum wage you should seek a job paying more than $15 at that time.

If you have 5 or 10 year experience in the work you can try searching new job and ask higher salary because you have 5 or 10 year experience that what my mother do.
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Ive been doing security for the last 7 years. No degree and cant afford school.

im pretty much topped out in my area. Most companies pay less.


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Depends on how hard you and your coworkers push for the raise

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lww99 posted...

Ive been doing security for the last 7 years. No degree and cant afford school.

im pretty much topped out in my area. Most companies pay less.

Ohhh that suck

My mother also don't have degree she highschool graduate but she have been work as accountant for 10 year so when her last company don't want to raise her salary she quit and find new job that pay more and each new year get salary raise for 100.

While I just highschool graduate so I get minimum wage but still can get raise if I work hard and be good employees but to lazy to do that
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Cerealmilk posted...

Oh yeah your $15/hr isn't gonna buy as much either.

source?

The same place most "conservative" talking points come from. His ass.

$15 today actually has less buying power than it did 20 years ago. While prices have risen due to inflation the minimum wage has remained stagnant. Which has also allowed wages to remain stagnant overall.

Most Americans have less and less buying power every year and continue to vote for policies that rob them of their buying power.
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harley2280 posted...

The same place most "conservative" talking points come from. His ass.

yeah there's a reason he's failed to deliver :)

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Mostly this means you're more likely to still have your job, after the wage-floor increases for everyone making less than that.

Problem is companies can just open up branches in emerging countries. Very frequently a department closes down in my company and the jobs go to India and now Phillipines where the min wage is around 300 us dollars.

Thats got to be addressed.

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JuanCarlos1 posted...

Problem is companies can just open up branches in emerging countries. Very frequently a department closes down in my company and the jobs go to India and now Phillipines where the min wage is around 300 us dollars.

Thats got to be addressed.

Yeah that happens at my country too.

After the government raise the minimum wage many foreigners companies/factory close and move to other countries that have low minimum wage.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

source?

Source is basic economics

Im sorry i dont have a fuckin ny times article to explain math lol

If a grocery store has to pay thier workers 1.5x as much what do you think happens to the goods? You think mr CEO of company sells his boat? It is either that or employees get cut/less hours

Cerealmilk posted...

If a grocery store has to pay thier workers 1.5x as much what do you think happens to the goods? You think mr CEO of company sells his boat? It is either that or employees get cut/less hours

Consider this:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Michael-Kors-Women-s-Camille-Crystal-Rose-Tone-Stainless-Steel-Watch-MK5862/146388959
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Casio-Men-s-Classic-Resin-Analog-Watch-Black-Dial/20670081

Both do the same basic thing, yet one costs about 23 times as much.

Staff in the school Im working at got a raise since the minimum wage was creeping up on us. Kinda bittersweet.

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You'll still make $15. That's what happened when I worked for Best Buy

Questionmarktarius posted...

Consider this:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Michael-Kors-Women-s-Camille-Crystal-Rose-Tone-Stainless-Steel-Watch-MK5862/146388959
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Casio-Men-s-Classic-Resin-Analog-Watch-Black-Dial/20670081

Both do the same basic thing, yet one costs about 23 times as much.

...actually, I forgot the point I was trying to make here. Huh.

No i understand but it doesn't doesn't change my point about mr. fossil watch not being able to afford as much when mr. AP or mr. Rolex makes increase the price of batteries to make up the difference.

Cerealmilk posted...

If a grocery store has to pay thier workers 1.5x as much what do you think happens to the goods? You think mr CEO of company sells his boat? It is either that or employees get cut/less hours

These are separate issues. The first doesnt even happen to any signifcant degre, and the other two aren't valid arguments against raising the minwage.

The fact that the door will be ruined is not an argument against breaking it down to escape the burning building.

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Weve seen throughout history that raising the minimum wage does not significantly raise the price of goods in an area. Cerealmilks argument goes against all known data.

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EzeDoesIt posted...

Weve seen throughout history that raising the minimum wage does not significantly raise the price of goods in an area.

Nor is aggregate employment affected to any statistically-significant degree. The real issue is in who still has a job.

When my plant started to lose money, they threw overtime out like candy.

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Before you make a shift in any hourly position, make sure wherever you are going can still offer you the same amount of hours.

No sense in moving from a $15/hr job where you're guaranteed 40 every week to a place that now also pays $15, but only offers half the hours because they have to cover everyone and can barely keep up.

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EzeDoesIt posted...

Weve seen throughout history that raising the minimum wage does not significantly raise the price of goods in an area. Cerealmilks argument goes against all known data.

Where in history have they raised minimum wage by over 2X?