Current Events > Does Texas deserve to be bailed out?

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This topic has revealed how many people are liberals because they like to hate Republicans and not liberals because they actually care about helping other people and improving lives for the disenfranchised.


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Tenlaar posted...

How many of the 5,259,126 Texans that voted for Biden in 2020 do you believe want to leave the US?

What i don't understand is why those people would want to live in a red conservative state like Texas and even bitch about it. Like, I wouldn't move to California and bitch about the strict gun laws, we all know what that state is about.

Let's also not pretend the last 4 years and the election have been normal. Plenty of die hard life long Republicans voted for Biden because Trump is just that fucking repulsive and incompetent. Millions of Republicans voted against Trump simply to get that lunatic out, not because they actually like Biden or support his policies and beliefs (myself included). That doesn't mean Texas as a whole isn't still overwhelmingly red and conservative.

I'm a moderate, forced to pick a side I lean Republican. And I'm very concerned about the current state of the party, and how lack of accountability has turned them into caricatures of evil cartoon politicians.

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PoundGarden posted...

What i don't understand is why those people would want to live in a red conservative state like Texas and even bitch about it. Like, I wouldn't move to California and bitch about the strict gun laws, we all know what that state is about.

Let's also not pretend the last 4 years and the election have been normal. Plenty of die hard life long Republicans voted for Biden because Trump is just that fucking repulsive and incompetent. Millions of Republicans voted against Trump simply to get that lunatic out, not because they actually like Biden or support his policies and beliefs. That doesn't mean Texas as a whole isn't still overwhelmingly red and conservative

What about the Democrat elected officials beyond the president? There must be Democrats in the state who voted for them.

What about the thousands of people in poverty who cant just move to another state on a whim because they disagree with their states decisions? Or the thousands of minors who didnt vote at all and have to go wherever their parents go?

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he needs to just say "fuck those people" and stop trying to do mental gymnastics to still feel like a good guy about it

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The Trent posted...

pm me if you need me to help you with blocking me

Oh you started that s***? Why am not surprise.
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because i'm full of not surprises

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Bananana posted...

What about the Democrat elected officials beyond the president?

What about the thousands of people in poverty who cant just move to another state on a whim?

Unfortunately there's always going to be a "what about ____". There's no perfect solution where nobody is negatively affected. However, I don't think BAU is the answer. They'll just continue to ineptly govern and people will still suffer, they don't learn and they certainly don't care. By sending the message of "you did this, you fix it" theres at least the hope either the politicians will get their shit together (LOL) or the people will and vote them out (also LOL but more likely).

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yup. We need Biden to get on this. People are suffering

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Glad to see this topic got even more gross somehow.
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https://www.ksat.com/vote-2020/2020/11/06/has-texas-ever-turned-blue/

How Texas voted in 2020. But do go on about how they're going to be blue any day now. KRS-ONE said it best: "people basically have the government they want". You guys can talk about how 40% voted Biden, and I say again Trump was just that wretched, and look at the local results. These folks want to be ruled by the GOP, and unfortunately this is how the GOP runs the show with no accountability and unchecked hubris



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PoundGarden posted...

https://www.ksat.com/vote-2020/2020/11/06/has-texas-ever-turned-blue/

How Texas voted in 2020. But do go on about how they're going to be blue any day now. KRS-ONE said it best: "people basically have the government they want". You guys can talk about how 40% voted Biden, and I say again Trump was just that wretched, and look at the local results. These folks want to be ruled by the GOP, and unfortunately this is how the GOP runs the show with no accountability and unchecked hubris

You realize most of those counties have like 5000 people tops...its why people care about the dallas fortworth area and Houston so much. Its where most of the states population lives

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ZeroX91 posted...

You realize most of those counties have like 5000 people tops...its why people care about the dallas fortworth area and Houston so much. Its where most of the states population lives

Your hyperbole aside...and ? Do those people not count? That changes nothing, a vast sweeping majority of the state still votes red.

Sure hope your argument isn't "two cities should decide how the rest of the state lives", because it sure sounds like that's your argument.

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We gotta save Texas

Texas should recieve help for its grid but it now must be connected to the Eastern and/or Western interconnect and adhere to federal standards.

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PoundGarden posted...

Your hyperbole aside...and ? Do those people not count? That changes nothing, a vast sweeping majority of the state still votes red.

Sure hope your argument isn't "two cities should decide how the rest of the state lives", because it sure sounds like that's your argument.

If that is where a majority of the population live (which it is) then yes they should.

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PoundGarden posted...

https://www.ksat.com/vote-2020/2020/11/06/has-texas-ever-turned-blue/

How Texas voted in 2020. But do go on about how they're going to be blue any day now. KRS-ONE said it best: "people basically have the government they want". You guys can talk about how 40% voted Biden, and I say again Trump was just that wretched, and look at the local results. These folks want to be ruled by the GOP, and unfortunately this is how the GOP runs the show with no accountability and unchecked hubris

Buddy this is just the Republican argument about the Electoral College, and it's every bit as bullshit here as it is there.

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I know you're cold and hungry children, but you won't be receiving basic humanitarian aid because your parents voted for the wrong person. In fact, you're getting your just comeuppance, and that makes me feel good.

How can anyone claim the moral high ground when they think like this?

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Bailed out for what? They're not broke.

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YellowSUV posted...

Texas should recieve help for its grid but it now must be connected to the Eastern and/or Western interconnect and adhere to federal standards.

+1

And any emergency aid they need.

"Bootstraps" logic is a component of trickle down logic, which has never worked in human history.

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Bananana posted...

This topic has revealed how many people are liberals because they like to hate Republicans and not liberals because they actually care about helping other people and improving lives for the disenfranchised.

does this actually surprise you tho

PoundGarden posted...

I'm not saying they deserved what happened, but at the same time its a state that routinely mocks literally anyone/anything thats not Texas, eschews progress of any kind, has a giant chip on its shoulder about how tough they are and don't "need nobody", and has floated the idea of sucession more than once. Again, while routinely mocking every other state in the union for not being Texas.

Personally I'm kind of sick of Texas' attitude and then every few years it falls apart over the SAME fucking thing: Texan/GOP hubris.

There are a lot of people there who never wanted this and voted against it multiple times, I think they deserve help at the very least. And since you cant pinpoint who they are you gotta help everyone. Hopefully they vote out the people that put them in this mess at their very next opportunity.


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Absolutely, with more money sent if the power company execs and other higher ups in those companies are handed over to Federal authorities over their near 2 1/2 decades of negligence.
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A lot of Texans are trashy morons who vote for other trashy morons to run the state.

BUT there are also Texans who are not fucking morons. So yeah Texas should be bailed out again.

Hey OP my county voted for Biden and so did I

Why the fuck do I deserve to be thrown to be wolves? Do you think people can just up and move? lol fuck off

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Send checks to every TX resident who voted for Biden

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PoundGarden posted...

To that point, why on fucking earth would a liberal/dem want to live in Texas?

Good weather (usually) and low cost of living with lots to do in the cities


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Help the people. But sure as fuck better hold the politicians and corporations responsible for this disaster accountable.

Above all else, help the people. They're still Americans. Yes, you get exactly the level of deregulated incompetence you vote for, but it doesn't mean that people deserve to suffer.

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Antifar posted...

Buddy this is just the Republican argument about the Electoral College, and it's every bit as bullshit here as it is there.

It's actually not. Large cities vs farming communities are night and day as far as needs and values.
Kinda fucked up you're basically saying people who don't live in huge cities don't deserve a voice and representation to preserve their way of life.

littlebro07 posted...

Good weather (usually) and low cost of living with lots to do in the cities

K, but you're living under Republican rule and you know that. All of those things can be found in cities more aligned with your values, I still don't understand why non Republicans/conservatives would want to live in TX and be shocked and outraged when they pull Texas Republican/conservative shenanigans.

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PoundGarden posted...

It's actually not. Large cities vs farming communities are night and day as far as needs and values.
Kinda fucked up you're basically saying people who don't live in huge cities don't deserve a voice and representation to preserve their way of life.

rocks can't vote lol

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PoundGarden posted...

Kinda fucked up you're basically saying people who don't live in huge cities don't deserve a voice and representation to preserve their way of life.

No, I'm saying that using a geographic election map is going to create a skewed perception of where public opinion actually lies, given the concentration of Democratic voters in densely populated urban areas. And you know this.

Also I'm not the one advocating for not helping people in a crisis because of how people outside of cities voted.

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Antifar posted...

No, I'm saying that using a geographic election map is going to create a skewed perception of where public opinion actually lies, given the concentration of Democratic voters in densely populated urban areas. And you know this.

No, you're still essentially saying smaller communities do not matter, even if they overwhelmingly are in favor of thing; only big communities voices matter. I'm not sure how it could be interpreted any other way regardless of how you want to spin it. Fact remains, a vast sweeping majority of Texas communites are and always have been red.

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PoundGarden posted...

No, you're still essentially saying smaller communities do not matter, even if they overwhelmingly are in favor of thing; only big communities voices matter. I'm not sure how it could be interpreted any other way regardless of how you want to spin it. Fact remains, a vast sweeping majority of Texas communites are and always have been red.

a vast sweeping majority of counties with like 1000 people in them versus the counties/metro areas with millions

lmfao


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PoundGarden posted...

Fact remains, a vast sweeping majority of Texas communites are and always have been red.

And that amounts to about 54 percent of the population, with more Democratic voters in that remainder than in 48 other states.

This is the basis on which you want to deny people aid during a crisis.

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"Hey uhhh I know that your state has been trending blue for 15 years and that most of the red counties don't have many people in them but hey because of how Texas allocated counties 150 years ago there's just a lot of these tiny rural areas and when you think about it that means this 30% of the population actually represents Texas more than the other 70% because rocks have spirits I guess"

lmfao

You probably think Nevada is a "red state" too

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Antifar posted...

And that amounts to about 54 percent of the population, with more Democratic voters in that remainder than in 48 other states.

This is the basis on which you want to deny people aid during a crisis.

So you're saying not only do a vast sweeping majority of counties vote red, but a majority of the citizens as a whole vote red too?

Ok we're on the same page! So yes, that is the basis I would use to deny federal aid. Plus as mentioned, Texas not only wants to break free of the Union and claims they don't need federal help (until a crisis hits, how convenient), they really don't need it. They're one of the richest states in the union, let's see those bootstraps in action.

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This dude really wants poor people to die, huh

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

"Hey uhhh I know that your state has been trending blue for 15 years and that most of the red counties don't have many people in them but hey because of how Texas allocated counties 150 years ago there's just a lot of these tiny rural areas and when you think about it that means this 30% of the population actually represents Texas more than the other 70% because rocks have spirits I guess"

lmfao

You probably think Nevada is a "red state" too

54% of the state as a whole voted republican, as did virtually every county.

But hey, don't let that get in the way of your "SoMeDaY tExAs WiLl b BlUe!" fantasy.

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PoundGarden posted...

Plus as mentioned, Texas not only wants to break free of the Union

Not even a majority of their legislators want to do that, much less a majority of their people.

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Yes.

If the other 49 states insist on preserving a United States of America, then you would assist any state that requires aid. If you are not interested in preserving a Union, then go ahead and let them leave or falter. It really doesnt matter what they said that bothers you. Hell, Lincoln even proved that it doesnt matter what they vote for, considering he marched Union (i.e. federal) troops to force the secession states not to leave.

Consider this: remember when people were pissed off recently at Trump for talking shit about not helping states that were blue? They were right to be upset. Be careful of weaponizing federal aid against American citizens.

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As much as I despise the far-right people of Texas, the correct answer is yes. A government that cannot provide for all of its citizens is no government at all.

But they need to parade the fact that this is indeed, socialism. Get the point across to them that socialism is a GOOD thing.
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PoundGarden posted...

54% of the state as a whole voted republican, as did virtually every county.

This is true of Arizona in 2012.

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

This dude really wants poor people to die, huh

If you have to resort to hyperbole and word twisting, you never had a solid point.

I posit it would save more lives to force Texas to clean their own mess and hopefully wake the people the fuck up to stop voting in Republicans. Vs what we always do, which is shaking our heads while writing the checks and saying "try and do better next time ok ".

Grow up and try to think big picture. In the real world there's no perfect scenario in which nobody gets shafted, and forcing people to face the consequences of their actions tends to get the best results.

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PoundGarden posted...

Grow up and try to think big picture. In the real world there's no perfect scenario in which nobody gets shafted, and forcing people to face the consequences of their actions tends to get the best results.

so you want poor people to die, got it

Antifar posted...

This is true of Arizona in 2012.

Fascinating. That changes what exactly about Texas being red in every measurable metric?

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Reis posted...

so you want poor people to die, got it

So you can't read and want to be emotional, got it

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emagdnE posted...

As much as I despise the far-right people of Texas, the correct answer is yes. A government that cannot provide for all of its citizens is no government at all.

But they need to parade the fact that this is indeed, socialism. Get the point across to them that socialism is a GOOD thing.

Bailouts aren't considered socialism.
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PoundGarden posted...

Fascinating. That changes what exactly about Texas being red in every measurable metric?

Kinda throws a wrench in your idea that this is an immutable fact that will never change, don't you think?

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PoundGarden posted...

forcing people to face the consequences of their actions

hmmm I wonder what facing the consequences will lead to when many people are currently without power or clean water

Antifar posted...

Kinda throws a wrench in your idea that this is an immutable fact that will never change, don't you think?

If it actually happened, sure. As I said, the day Texas turns blue I will print this page out and eat my words.

Don't hold your breath though.

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