Current Events > First migrant facility for children opens under Biden

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This was a problem under the last Democrat president (and probably the Republican before him too, and so on). If you really thought electing another career Democrat was going to solve it...

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Vicious_Dios posted...

Ol' Joey really is making American Great Again.

I thought you people would be ecstatic about this. What's the problem? Trump is gone.

I swear, most times these Democrat voters don't know what they want. Who understands them, eh?

Ask me how I know you don't read much.

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Oh gods, all those "enlightened centrists" memes about how Biden would only put 50% of children in cages actually came true.

Now that's some dark comedy.
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it's not the facilities opening that we were concerned about then--it was the deliberate placing of children with family here in those facilities, and the separation of children from parents they were traveling with.

comparison to trump is false equivalence. i must note that it's not the critics from the left doing that, it's trump supporters, who quite clearly are attempting to whitewash the past and sow confusion about what actually took place. so that it can happen again.

if the reason this facility is reopening is any amount of foot dragging in connecting these children with their families--yeah, fully valid criticism. haven't seen indication of that. yet.

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Trumble posted...

This was a problem under the last Democrat president (and probably the Republican before him too, and so on). If you really thought electing another career Democrat was going to solve it...

no, it was not. this was a policy decision made by the last nazi president.

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Sackgurl posted...

it's not the facilities opening that we were concerned about then--it was the deliberate placing of children with family here in those facilities, and the separation of children from parents they were traveling with.

comparison to trump is false equivalence. i must note that it's not the critics from the left doing that, it's trump supporters, who quite clearly are attempting to whitewash the past and sow confusion about what actually took place. so that it can happen again.

if the reason this facility is reopening is any amount of foot dragging in connecting these children with their families--yeah, fully valid criticism. haven't seen indication of that. yet.

This is a very importance distinction

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Sackgurl posted...

comparison to trump is false equivalence. i must note that it's not the critics from the left doing that, it's trump supporters, who quite clearly are attempting to whitewash the past and sow confusion about what actually took place. so that it can happen again.

no, there's plenty of that on the left too

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It's the worst of political shitposting to pretend like Obama era regulations of temporary holding facilities to be used when an unaccompanied minor is found at the border to facilitate family reunion is the same as Trump era policy which deliberately separated families at the border as a deterant, ripping children from parent's arms and sticking them in these facilities indefinitely.

I mean, the former almost needs to be the case, unless your suggestion is to either let these children roam around on their own or you want these children immediately integrated into some foster system, likely making family reunion hard to impossible. Idk, it seems less like actually caring about immigration policy and helping migrants and more about being able to yell about both sides having cages.

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The king of enlightened centrism finally posted

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Are they being separated from their parents?

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CruelBuffalo posted...

True in terms of the location being far off. Im not as familiar in terms of who runs them. But to say day 1 structures should be built is a bit...fast

What about month 1? Year 1? Term 1? Just wondering when we are allowed to expect any meaningful changes to happen.

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armandro posted...

there are overflow facilities
so there would be less crowded and in a better place

do you wanted crowded detention camps?

The more disengenous posters here want Biden's inability to instantly fix 45s' problems to be seen as a failure. (Note they probably supported said problems)

Obviously if the Biden Adminstration doesn't do anything in the coming months, then there is cause to be angry.

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Null_Gain posted...

The more disengenous posters here want Biden's inability to instantly fix 45s' problems to be seen as a failure. (Note they probably supported said problems)

Obviously if the Biden Adminstration doesn't do anything in the coming months, then there is cause to be angry.

+1


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Damn, CE has really fell off the deep end, hasnt it lol

I dont see a problem with this, as long as further measures are taken down the road. From what Ive read it doesnt seem nearly as bad as what Trump was doing when handling it, plus, whats the alternative?

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This is just propoganda.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1364341956676096001

Guess Congress better act by passing immigration reform

Im actually surprised that on both Facebook and Twitter the replies to her posts seem to actually be more pro-Biden and countering her.

Like Facebook is understandable, but Twitter? Damn, what a bad take lol


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DezDroppedFreak posted...

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Am I crazy or was unaccompanied minors not a thing under Trump and now under Biden its a thing. Like we werent talking about kids crossing over the border all by themselves before; we were talking about families being separated at the border

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gamer167 posted...

Next AOC crying photoshoot coming in hot

man that was cringe

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ledbowman posted...

man that was cringe

she was crying in a photo shoot? For real?

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SPE posted...

she was crying in a photo shoot? For real?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aoc-empty-parking-lot/

Not for real. Just typical right wing bullshit.

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ssjevot posted...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aoc-empty-parking-lot/

Not for real. Just typical right wing bullshit.

lmao she is not even crying.

these alt righters sure obsess over wanting to see her cry. Must be one of their S& M things

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A simple fix would be just moving the courts into Mexico for trials. So we dont have to waste manpower and resources locking them. If they want to face trial at that point they can, or if they just wanna yeet off at that point.....they can.

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Prismsblade posted...

A simple fix would be just moving the courts into Mexico for trials.

Do you think Mexico would mind?

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CyricZ posted...

Do you think Mexico would mind?

How do you think they crossed Mexico in the first place?

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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1143379755540066305?s=19

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oh no AOC cares about human rights. pretty cringe imo!

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just typical right wing bullshit

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ThyCorndog posted...

oh no AOC cares about human rights. pretty cringe imo!

AOC should be passing legislation right this second to stop the actions of a federal agency or she's just blowing hot air!

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

AOC should be passing legislation right this second to stop the actions of a federal agency or she's just blowing hot air!

Which is funny because...

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1364402970230730754

It's Rep. Jayapal's, not her own, but she's signal boosting super hard.

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The fact that people on Gamefaqs can't immediately solve the immigration crisis and our border policy doesn't mean that there's not drastically better ways that experts have identified. Most Americans have not ever been close to the border and have not interfaced with the immigration system at all, of course they're not gonna have any idea of how to fix it.

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No one ever reads the OP and TC knows it.

Let's just not put any immigrants in cages.

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CyricZ posted...

Which is funny because...

That's not a law or a plan lol

tote_all posted...

Like what?

And I still don't get if these children are being separated from their families or not. The article clearly suggests these are children that cross and/or are found alone.

https://www.unicef.org/documents/alternatives-immigration-detention-children

https://immigrantjustice.org/research-items/report-better-way-community-based-programming-alternative-immigrant-incarceration

Here's some examples. They're similar to what the ACLU suggests as well. Essentially, community based supervision with community sponsors and non-profits, rather than criminal justice adjacent actors taking the front lines. The government could fund it and monitor it, then get out of the way.


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Broseph_Stalin posted...

That's not a law or a plan lol

Oh sorry. I forget you have next to no knowledge about how legislation works.

The first step to getting legislation passed comes well before a bill is presented on the floor. It's awareness, support, and allies. Get the word out, get people on your side, both in public and on the hill, and once you've got a solid base behind your idea, that's when you draft bills.

Especially in the case of this issue, because America's immigration system has been broken for far longer than we've been alive.

I can at least be hopeful that there are people in Congress poised to move on this.

It's unfortunate that you've come to expect this from your elected officials, but you have to understand that legislation isn't instant gratification like your daily porn searches.

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tote_all posted...

Also I still can't find if they're being separated from their families or not.

Both are happening and both have been happening for a while. Unaccompanied minors ARE being sent over the border because parents know the kids won't get sent back and usually there's a family member to "receive" them once the kids are processed. Separately, parents with kids are crossing the border as well and in some cases being separated depending on the situation. For example, you can't legally house a minor and an adult in the same criminal detention facility[1], so when adults are charged they are legally required to be housed in a different place from their kids. This was always the case, but prior policy to avoid this was "catch and release" which meant the families were let go and told to come back to face criminal charges (which about 50% don't).[2] It was only once Trump implemented a "no tolerance policy" for people caught sneaking over the border that the rate of seperation changed as a direct result of more adults being charged with federal crimes.

[1]: https://www.americanbar.org/advocacy/governmental_legislative_work/priorities_policy/immigration/familyseparation/

[2]: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/01/trumps-bogus-catch-and-release-statistic/


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tote_all posted...

Those are interesting reads, thank you. The thing is, has Biden had the time to implement things like these? They read like massive overhauls to what you already have in place in the US, and there's children that need to be kept somewhere right now. I guess my point is that what's happening seems like a quick, subpar solution to a problem that needed to be solved right now and didn't offer much alternative. If Biden and congress don't shift to something like what you posted in the next 4 years it definitely seems like the democrat's policy is slightly less cruel but still anti-immigration, as was Trump's.

Also I still can't find if they're being separated from their families or not.

No, he hasn't had time to implement them. But the clock didn't start running when he was elected. It started when Trump got elected or even when Obama left office. When the uproar over kids in cages first started at the latest. He should have came into office with a plan to overhaul these systems, fundamentally.

But he didn't because exactly what he wanted was a less cruel, but still cruel immigration system. They don't see detention as a bad thing, it's just what you do when people come to the border. That's the fundamental shift that needs to happen with the Dems, from seeing migrants as actual or quasi-criminals and treating them as such to taking a human rights focused approach.


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Broseph: "Rome wasn't built in a day. Change isn't instant like how you progressives think government works."

Also Broseph: "If you don't have a perfectly detailed plan right now, then shut the hell up and let the adults talk."

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Well when all some users do is just post memes going lol both sides without obviously reading the article.... \_()_/

CyricZ posted...

Oh sorry. I forget you have next to no knowledge about how legislation works.

CyricZ posted...

It's unfortunate that you've come to expect this from your elected officials, but you have to understand that legislation isn't instant gratification like your daily porn searches.

Hahaha the irony. Just like that GND resolution, right? Just the first step, legislation is coming any day now!

Moderate democrats got a $2 trillion aid bill written in a month, this "process" you're talking about doesn't exist. It's just another vague resolution progressives like introducing with nothing but acknowledgements that they can post on twitter for likes. They have no intention of getting it passed, let alone an actual bill. It exist only for them to pretend they are better than Biden and other Democrats who are actually doing things. It's performative activism for people like you who fall for it every time.

s0nicfan posted...

which about 50% don't).[2]

[2] notes that 50% number is not representative either, the true number appears to be 14-19%

When asked about the best available data on case outcomes, several immigration law experts referred us to a study published last year in the California Law Review that analyzed government data from immigration court cases initiated between 2001 and 2016.
The study led by Ingrid Eagly, an immigration law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles found that [f]amily members released from custody attended all of their hearings in 86% of cases during the 15 years covered by the study period. The percentage was slightly lower 81 percent for nonfamilies. (See figure 15.)

meanwhile trump's justification for applying the hardline policy of treating all border crossers as felons and separating all families was his bullshit claim that 98% don't show up

probably this is a place we can both agree that such things are wrong

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s0nicfan posted...

Both are happening and both have been happening for a while. Unaccompanied minors ARE being sent over the border because parents know the kids won't get sent back and usually there's a family member to "receive" them once the kids are processed. Separately, parents with kids are crossing the border as well and in some cases being separated depending on the situation. For example, you can't legally house a minor and an adult in the same criminal detention facility[1], so when adults are charged they are legally required to be housed in a different place from their kids. This was always the case, but prior policy to avoid this was "catch and release" which meant the families were let go and told to come back to face criminal charges (which about 50% don't).[2] It was only once Trump implemented a "no tolerance policy" for people caught sneaking over the border that the rate of seperation changed as a direct result of more adults being charged with federal crimes.

[1]: https://www.americanbar.org/advocacy/governmental_legislative_work/priorities_policy/immigration/familyseparation/

[2]: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/01/trumps-bogus-catch-and-release-statistic/

I was under the impression that Biden reinstantiated the "catch and release" policy.

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