Board 8 > Are you ok with the proposed 80k yearly income limit for the 1,400 stimulus

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Dude it is literally 90% pork.

The bill to write is 2K per month , no strings attached, no pork, totally bipartisan.

Learn to read. He is saying a clean bill with nothing attached would be totally bipartisan.

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Corrik7 posted...

Learn to read. He is saying a clean bill with nothing attached would be totally bipartisan.

He is saying that, yes.

He is wrong.

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$2k checks were already put on the table before the Biden presidency. No pork.

Republicans were still a no.

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Corrik7 posted...

Learn to read. He is saying a clean bill with nothing attached would be totally bipartisan.

Lmao, literally what does it being bipartisan have to do with me asking him what he thinks is pork?

Just shhh

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ulti how does "the republicans will literally not let any other bill get through filibuster" not make sense to you

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The start and end point for bipartisan Republican support was $0.

I'm not sure you are even allowed to put a bill on the floor that is literally blank.

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This is why democracy is doomed to fail. Of course all the people will vote for "gimme moneyz" with absolutely no understanding of economics or how national debt works.

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yeah bro let's pick right now to suddenly worry about the national debt when we're in the middle of a pandemic

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lol national debt.

It is the biggest con.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

This is why democracy is doomed to fail. Of course all the people will vote for "gimme moneyz" with absolutely no understanding of economics or how national debt works.

We're in a pandemic. Oh my god. Just give people money in a pandemic that need it. Give it to them if they don't need it. Who actually cares? Just help people. It doesn't matter. It's so simple

Like fuck the national debt. It's a joke. The government can just print whatever money they can. Who cares. Just give people money during a pandemic. I don't know how anyone needs to think about it for more than one second.

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GameStonk posted...

$135 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
$200 million for the Institute of Museum and Library Services

In what universe are those COVID related?

If you can't figure the answer to that out yourself, you should probably stop trying to debate anything.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

It's so simple

And then you wonder why rent, tuition, food, medical expenses are totally insane, and the military needs trillions.

Money printing and debt dependence is the cause of all that. You can't just ignore all the negative effects and then call it simple. Well you can, but then you are literally the problem. You're the reason the country keeps voting the same way and going down the same obviously disastrous path.

You wonder why 100 years of just giving people money hasn't made things better. You wonder why the "richest country in the world" with $1 trillion in the hole can't provide real benefits to its citizens like Sweden with its government surplus. Clearly we just need exponentially MORE money printing. Simple = absolutely stupid and destructive here. If you actually care about helping people then spend more than 1 dumbass second thinking about it. And no, 5 seconds isn't enough.

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Countries with more debt per capita than us give their citizens benefits, wanna try again?

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I wonder if people like foolmo realize the US isn't actually in debt in the sense of the word as individuals know it. It's like we have an unlimited credit card and we are making payments in a way that both sides agreed to and are very comfortable with and literally no one in the world has problems with the U.S. borrowing things because our resources are not in question anywhere in the world.

We are perfectly capable of giving our citizens everything and investing (key word) in our country's future health, but we choose to not understand how money works in a global sense.

Mind you there are plenty of places where we can reasonably cut the budget holes that don't harm people in the way that complaining about the debt only when democrats are in office does. For example I'd be taxing people a lot more than what is currently there!

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I wonder if people like foolmo realize the US isn't actually in debt in the sense of the word as individuals know it. It's like we have an unlimited credit card and we are making payments in a way that both sides agreed to and are very comfortable with and literally no one in the world has problems with the U.S. borrowing things because our resources are not in question anywhere in the world.

We are perfectly capable of giving our citizens everything and investing (key word) in our country's future health, but we choose to not understand how money works in a global sense.

Mind you there are plenty of places where we can reasonably cut the budget holes that don't harm people in the way that complaining about the debt only when democrats are in office does. For example I'd be taxing people a lot more than what is currently there!

That's not really true...

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Weird way for foolmo to come out as a conservative.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Weird way for foolmo to come out as a conservative.

Foolmo has always been a libertarian type

Hes always been Libertarian, to his credit never the MAGA-adjacent kind but ancap adjacent

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Countries with more debt per capita than us give their citizens benefits, wanna try again?

Look up their deficits and you try again

DoomTheGyarados posted...

It's like we have an unlimited credit card and we are making payments in a way that both sides agreed to and are very comfortable with and literally no one in the world has problems with the U.S. borrowing things because our resources are not in question anywhere in the world.

Yes I understand the status quo. What I don't understand is why everyone is so eager to defend the status quo in the same breath that they ask why everything is broken and why nothing we're doing is working.

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foolm0r0n posted...

Look up their deficits and you try again

Yes I understand the status quo. What I don't understand is why everyone is so eager to defend the status quo in the same breath that they ask why everything is broken and why nothing we're doing is working.

I am not a huge fan of the status quo, but I will take busting the status quo more seriously when we reduce our military budget rather than balking at helping people out of poverty. It's a conversation I am willing to have but it always seems to only happen at large when people are suffering.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Weird way for foolmo to come out as a conservative.

oops

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

It's a conversation I am willing to have

You're literally not, see the very next word:
DoomTheGyarados posted...

but

I talk about this all the time and am ignored for exactly the same reason every time. "Oh you only care because democrats are in office". 8 years later "oh you only care because you have TDS". And after 4 years of that, we're back to "oh you only care because democrats are in office".

You could go your entire life dismissing the conversation, like the last 2 generations did.

If having the president, house, and senate on your side isn't a good enough time, when is? Republicans made it clear the time is never. What about the Democrats?

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foolm0r0n posted...

You're literally not, see the very next word:

I talk about this all the time and am ignored for exactly the same reason every time. "Oh you only care because democrats are in office". 8 years later "oh you only care because you have TDS". And after 4 years of that, we're back to "oh you only care because democrats are in office".

You could go your entire life dismissing the conversation, like the last 2 generations did.

If having the president, house, and senate on your side isn't a good enough time, when is? Republicans made it clear the time is never. What about the Democrats?

Well first off I personally do not have the president, the house, and the senate on my side because I do not align with most of these people most of the time.

Also in fairness I am not very specifically talking about you, but rather the people in power who say things similar to you and then giver massive tax cuts to people who don't need it. I am sure you have been consistent, so it sucks for you just as much as it sucks for me. I think you and I being the only voices in a room for a year could probably come up with an agreeable fix.

But.

(horrible word I know)

we have to deal with idiots instead so <_<

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My main issue with the US budget is and always will be the ridiculous military budget. There is zero excuse for the military budget being more than the next 10 highest spending countries combined.

It would never happen but the military budget could and should be cut in half at a bare minimum

ShatteredElysium posted...

My main issue with the US budget is and always will be the ridiculous military budget. There is zero excuse for the military budget being more than the next 10 highest spending countries combined.

It would never happen but the military budget could and should be cut in half at a bare minimum

The world is statistically the most peaceful it has ever been because we can destroy it whenever we want. I'd say that's a pretty good reason for continued American hegemony.

GameStonk posted...

The world is statistically the most peaceful it has ever been because we can destroy it whenever we want. I'd say that's a pretty good reason for continued American hegemony.

The world is statistically the most peaceful it has ever been because Europe all decided to be friends instead of murdering each other like they had for 1000 years.

<_<

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GameStonk posted...

The world is statistically the most peaceful it has ever been because we can destroy it whenever we want. I'd say that's a pretty good reason for continued American hegemony.

Correlation is far from causation here

Your argument is essentially that 9/11 and Benghazi are fine because overall there's more peace in the world

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ShatteredElysium posted...

There is zero excuse for the military budget being more than the next 10 highest spending countries combined.

It's so that this remains true:

DoomTheGyarados posted...

It's like we have an unlimited credit card and we are making payments in a way that both sides agreed to and are very comfortable with and literally no one in the world has problems with the U.S. borrowing things because our resources are not in question anywhere in the world.

It's a lot more costly for us to lose our global financial posture than it is to spend $1.5 tril on the military each year. Or in other words, the money we spend on military is correlated with the amount of deficit and debt we can incur without losing strength in our fiat system. This is also why when you invest in social security, you're investing in US imperialism.

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Yeah but they just try to defund social security and ramp up the imperialism so I mean, got to work with what those asses give us.

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Yes

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