Current Events > How are we going to deal wi h overpulation?

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8 billion people is too much

we're letting the virus deal with it

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world war 3 should sort that when the time comes.

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overpopulation is a fascist myth

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First, research and develop, and then mass produce, food out of a mixture of lent and soy...

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Rising infertility rates are gonna solve it for us by the end of the century.

Still, don't be an idiot who breeds like bunnies.

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averagejoel posted...

overpopulation is a fascist myth

This is true. I urge everyone to stop perpetuating this overpopulation horseshit. It doesnt make you sound smart or tough.

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averagejoel posted...

overpopulation is a fascist myth

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It's a self-correcting problem.

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Overpopulation has never been a problem, and it's always been used as an excuse for justifying classist and racist politics.

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Unless UBI is implemented (which I doubt), overpopulation is not a myth.

Most Americans have to go into debt(or just die) if an unexpected $400 bill comes their way.

i still havent contributed to the problem by jacking it alone, so there's that

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gotta wait for Thanos to gather all infinity stones then do his thing!

ButteryMales posted...

Unless UBI is implemented (which I doubt), overpopulation is not a myth.

Most Americans have to go into debt(or just die) if an unexpected $400 bill comes their way.

Just because an economic and legal system is structured in a way that keeps people in poverty does not mean that there is overpopulation. The system can support everyone, it just favors the rich and influential.

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In fact, one of the early proponents of an overpopulation theory Thomas Malthus back in the 18th century used poverty as an example of overpopulation in order to lobby against implementing/expanding welfare programs in England. He used a lot of bullshit pseudoscience that was later debunked and made the claims that if there are poor people in a country, then it means that they are just unnecessary and basically "extra" and the country should let them die out.

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Hexenherz posted...

Just because an economic and legal system is structured in a way that keeps people in poverty does not mean that there is overpopulation.

That's exactly what it means. Notice how I said unless UBI is implemented, as long as we have this system there's too much of a population.

We needn't worry. Everything will sort itself out when it comes to a point.

When we run out of resources, people will stop popping out babies and if they continue to do so, which they likely would, the babies and children will be malnourished and will probably die early.

It all depends on how fast we can advance our technology. Maybe we can have mega buildings like in the sci-fi genres. Maybe we'll have the tech to feed the dead back to the living. Maybe we'll invent some super crop.

I think the earth can support maybe 20-40 billion people. At least until we run out of metals. We'll have unlimited wood from growing trees but I can't imagine wooden sky scrapers.

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ButteryMales posted...

That's exactly what it means. Notice how I said unless UBI is implemented, as long as we have this system there's too much of a population.

There are ways to address/change the system without UBI.

Cobra1010 posted...

We needn't worry. Everything will sort itself out when it comes to a point.

When we run out of resources, people will stop popping out babies and if they continue to do so, which they likely would, the babies and children will be malnourished and will probably die early.

It all depends on how fast we can advance our technology. Maybe we can have mega buildings like in the sci-fi genres. Maybe we'll have the tech to feed the dead back to the living. Maybe we'll invent some super crop.

I think the earth can support maybe 20-40 billion people. At least until we run out of metals. We'll have unlimited wood from growing trees but I can't imagine wooden sky scrapers.

Literally never going to get to that point.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/17/worlds-population-is-projected-to-nearly-stop-growing-by-the-end-of-the-century/

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Crash posted...

I'm laughing quietly to myself @ people saying overpopulation is a "fascist myth".

Some of you guys really are away with the faeries.

Or you could... you know, look at the history of overpopulation theories and what they're generally trying to advocate...

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While overpopulation isn't a problem, mass migration due to climate change will be a very real issue in the future once places around the equator become inhospitable. Do well to keep that in mind when people try to push the overpopulation myth, where the real issue is distribution and an Earth on the verge of apocalypse.

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Isn't all the pollution we're producing heavily impacted by our growing population?

Global warming and the destruction of our rainforests are a fascist myth!

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Squall28 posted...

Isn't all the pollution we're producing heavily impacted by our growing population?

Global warming and the destruction of our rainforests are a fascist myth!

Growing populations =/= overpopulation, and just because one thing is overplayed doesn't mean pollution or climate change aren't serious issues.

I'm really blown away by your "logic" here.

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Interesting. So I looked it up and each individual Americans carbon footprint is 16 tons. It would mean nothing if we double the number of Americans, right?RIGHT?


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Squall28 posted...

Interesting. So I looked it up and each individual Americans carbon footprint is 16 tons. It would mean nothing if we double the number of Americans, right?RIGHT?

Yeah, the US produces a disproportionate amount of waste and pollution for our population.

But that's not evidence of overpopulation, that's evidence of shitty politics and a general disregard for environmental welfare among the public.

I really feel like you should take a few moments to think through your messages before you post them, a lot of what you're saying is either contradictory or consists of separate, unrelated phenomena.

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I'm always amazed that some people don't see overpopulation as a problem. There is enough land for houses and whatnot to be built on. Food shortages could be solved. That isn't the problem. The problem is pollution, water scarcity, landfills for trash, limited resources for metals that make cell phones, etc. The Earth doesn't have unlimited resources for everything. Even a basic thing like "Sand" is a precious resource that is starting to be at risk.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/05/sand-shortage-the-world-is-running-out-of-a-crucial-commodity.html


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Hexenherz posted...

Growing populations =/= overpopulation, and just because one thing is overplayed doesn't mean pollution or climate change aren't serious issues.

I'm really blown away by your "logic" here.

Human overpopulation (or particularly human population overshoot) refers to a human population being too large in a way that their society or environment cannot readily sustain them.

I don't know man. Can the earth sustain what even the current human population is doing it? I know that we're already overfishing to feed people. The Earth is literally getting destroyed, and I'm sure the rate of destruction increases with population size.

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Hexenherz posted...

Yeah, the US produces a disproportionate amount of waste and pollution for our population.

But that's not evidence of overpopulation, that's evidence of shitty politics and a general disregard for environmental welfare among the public.

I really feel like you should take a few moments to think through your messages before you post them, a lot of what you're saying is either contradictory or consists of separate, unrelated phenomena.

I think you're facing cognitive dissonance because you never thought of it that way. The destruction of the Earth is 100% correlated with the size of the human population.

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Overfishing is just an indication of shitty wasteful fishing and aquaculture practices.

Population growth rates tend to decline as the quality of life in a country develops, so ostensibly helping countries develop infrastructure and more sustainable, less polluting practices helps kill a few different problems at once.

Most of the problems we have as humans on this planet aren't because of limited resources on the planet, it's because we developed shitty lifestyles and shitty practices. We expect the planet to sustain all of our shit but don't expect to adapt to what the planet has to offer in return, either.

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Hexenherz posted...

Overfishing is just an indication of shitty wasteful fishing and aquaculture practices.

Population growth rates tend to decline as the quality of life in a country develops, so ostensibly helping countries develop infrastructure and more sustainable, less polluting practices helps kill a few different problems at once.

Most of the problems we have as humans on this planet aren't because of limited resources on the planet, it's because we developed shitty lifestyles and shitty practices. We expect the planet to sustain all of our shit but don't expect to adapt to what the planet has to offer in return, either.

Just because humans can offset the damage they do, doesn't mean there isnt a detriment for every human you add. Let's say through policies we cut footprint to 10 tons. You still add 10 tons with every person you add.

This is just math.

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foxhound101 posted...

The problem is pollution, water scarcity, landfills for trash, limited resources for metals that make cell phones, etc. The Earth doesn't have unlimited resources for everything. Even a basic thing like "Sand" is a precious resource that is starting to be at risk.

that's not because there are too many people on the planet though -- it's because a few specific people are deliberately destroying the planet for profit. it's a function of capitalism

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ButteryMales posted...

Unless UBI is implemented (which I doubt), overpopulation is not a myth.

Most Americans have to go into debt(or just die) if an unexpected $400 bill comes their way.

That's not a product of population.

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averagejoel posted...

that's not because there are too many people on the planet though -- it's because a few specific people are deliberately destroying the planet for profit. it's a function of capitalism

What? You don't think normal people have trash, drive cars, or consume resources from the Earth.

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ButteryMales posted...

Unless UBI is implemented (which I doubt), overpopulation is not a myth.

Most Americans have to go into debt(or just die) if an unexpected $400 bill comes their way.

"my country sucks therefore overpopulation waaahh"

what a dumb fucking post. close your shitty account.

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Make better use of resources.

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Antifar posted...

That's not a product of population.

Like I told Hex,

ButteryMales posted...

Notice how I said unless UBI is implemented, as long as we have this system there's too much of a population.

In this system there's too much demand for jobs which would be different if the population was smaller.

Choco posted...

"my country sucks therefore overpopulation waaahh"

what a dumb fucking post. close your shitty account.

A little bit of reading is making you so butthurt? Maybe take your own advice since this website is all reading.

Iirc birth rates are declining as quality of life goes up now, most scientists don't think we'll quite hit 10b and it'll start declining

R_Jackal posted...

Iirc birth rates are declining as quality of life goes up now

"now" >_>
isn't that how it's worked for decades
the rise in world population comes from developing countries

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Overpopulation is a problem but not the problem. There's a lot of things that are controllable in a far less ethically questionable manner, and if they're solved, overpopulation itself will be less of an issue.

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Squall28 posted...

What? You don't think normal people have trash, drive cars, or consume resources from the Earth.

And that's a problem, but it's not an indicator of overpopulation.

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