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EllieWilliams95
03/06/21 11:10:35 PM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alabama-senate-bans-hormone-therapy-surgery-felony-transgender-youth/

Under a new law, transgender youth in Alabama could not be treated with puberty-blockers, hormone therapy or surgery. The state Senate voted to make the treatment a felony on Tuesday.

Senators voted 23-4 to approve the measure, dubbed the Vulnerable Child Compassion and Protection Act, sponsored by Republican Senator Shay Shelnutt. The bill now heads to the state House of Representatives, which has already approved a companion bill.

The two bills would make it a felony for medical professionals to treat transgender minors under the age of 19 with gender-affirming care. Violators could face up to 10 years in prison or a $15,000 fine.

The bill also requires school staff in the state to disclose to parents that "a minor's perception that his or her gender is inconsistent with his or her sex." Essentially, teachers would be required to "out" transgender students to their guardians regardless of whether they are ready to do so.

"Children aren't mature enough to make these decisions on surgeries and drugs," Shelnutt told The Associated Press. "The whole point is to protect kids."

While similar measures have been considered across the country, Alabama would be the first state to pass such a bill. Parents, members of the transgender communities and medical experts opposed to the bills say it is dangerous, and that lawmakers do not understand the already difficult process to receive gender-affirming care.

The bills run "counter to medical science, prevailing standards of treatment for transgender youth, and basic human dignity," the American Civil Liberties Union of Alabama said in a statement.

Republicans ruining people's lives as usual.

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hockeybub89
03/06/21 11:11:47 PM
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Government so small it can fit in your doctor's office

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Tyranthraxus
03/06/21 11:12:26 PM
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This is probably gonna get struck down in the circuit court and won't be heard by SCOTUS

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VipaGTS
03/06/21 11:13:25 PM
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Said it once. Said it twice. Ill say it a million times. Republicans are the reason America is being held back. Have always been. Always will be. Conservatives are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

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CouldBeAnAlt
03/06/21 11:14:19 PM
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Sigh

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ApherosyLove
03/06/21 11:15:08 PM
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This makes me so sad.

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kirbyakaZ
03/06/21 11:15:33 PM
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Fuck Alabama.

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Trumble
03/06/21 11:16:34 PM
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Not giving irreversible treatments to non-adults is one thing but...

EllieWilliams95 posted...
The bill also requires school staff in the state to disclose to parents that "a minor's perception that his or her gender is inconsistent with his or her sex." Essentially, teachers would be required to "out" transgender students to their guardians regardless of whether they are ready to do so.

FUCK this part. What an utterly ridiculous law.

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gafemaqs
03/06/21 11:20:06 PM
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If the law had allowed me to do things I wanted to do when I was a minor, I would be a lot worse off. Waiting until you're of age before you can look into something like this makes sense to me.

I'm casually acquanited with a couple of my state senators. I'm going to talk to them about this next time I see them.

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ElatedVenusaur
03/06/21 11:22:03 PM
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This is horrible. Not only does it now allow potentially trans children to sort themselves out before their bodies irreversibly change, it also forces teachers to out them, potentially leading to abuse.
Disgusting bill.
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Gamerguymass
03/06/21 11:24:44 PM
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I don't understand the 19 part instead of 18 since 18 is the legal age of adulthood. Unless they are thinking not until you are out of high school?

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gafemaqs
03/06/21 11:26:46 PM
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Gamerguymass posted...
I don't understand the 19 part instead of 18 since 18 is the legal age of adulthood. Unless they are thinking not until you are out of high school?
There are state laws that account for that. Age of majority in Alabama is 19.

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harley2280
03/07/21 12:20:17 AM
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gafemaqs posted...
Gamerguymass posted...
I don't understand the 19 part instead of 18 since 18 is the legal age of adulthood. Unless they are thinking not until you are out of high school?
There are state laws that account for that. Age of majority in Alabama is 19.

Just boomers trying to exert even more control over the younger generation. If you're old enough to join the military or take out ten if thousands in loans for school you're old enough to decide your gender, to smoke, to drink, or whatever else.
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Shadow Don
03/07/21 12:20:24 AM
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EllieWilliams95 posted...


The bill also requires school staff in the state to disclose to parents that "a minor's perception that his or her gender is inconsistent with his or her sex."

Holy fuck this part is insane.

This is why you don't let conservatives control the narrative about anything. They whine about cancel culture but their true agenda is a society in which LGBT people are shunned out of existence.

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EllieWilliams95
03/07/21 12:22:56 AM
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Shadow Don posted...
Holy fuck this part is insane.

This is why you don't let conservatives control the narrative about anything. They whine about cancel culture but their true agenda is a society in which LGBT people are shunned out of existence.
This is why I fucking hate class reductionists and left wing populists. The "woke agenda" and "cancel culture" and "sjws" is more dangerous than Republicans actually fucking over people's lives.
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Solar_Crimson
03/07/21 12:24:01 AM
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EllieWilliams95 posted...
Vulnerable Child Compassion and Protection Act
*rolls eyes*

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MrMallard
03/07/21 12:31:18 AM
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Criminalizing gender transition is only going to worsen mental health issues in the transgender community. The same way that criminalizing abortion can destroy lives if left to the whim of a doctor who disagrees with it, this law sees that anyone whose quality of life would be improved by this standard of care is left out in the cold to cope with their condition, to the detriment of their physical and mental health.

If you disagree with gender transition, then I doubt there's a way of changing your crusty-ass mind. But criminalization isn't the answer. All it's going to do in the long run is hurt vulnerable people.

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gafemaqs
03/07/21 3:59:18 AM
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harley2280 posted...
Just boomers trying to exert even more control over the younger generation. If you're old enough to join the military or take out ten if thousands in loans for school you're old enough to decide your gender, to smoke, to drink, or whatever else.
Most of the people in the age group this bill is targeting wouldn't be old enough to do any of those things. So...

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Teh_Dr_Phil
03/07/21 4:03:07 AM
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Said it once. Said it twice. Ill say it a million times. Republicans are the reason America is being held back. Have always been. Always will be. Conservatives are some of the dumbest people on the planet.
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Wasssup Now
03/07/21 4:05:01 AM
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The two bills would make it a felony for medical professionals to treat transgender minors under the age of 19 with gender-affirming care. Violators could face up to 10 years in prison or a $15,000 fine.

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ShyOx
03/07/21 4:10:09 AM
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Yet the age of consent in Alabama is 16

Sounds legit

This is where republicans are going, get off this fucking train if you're on it

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Collat
03/07/21 4:10:14 AM
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Trumble posted...
Not giving irreversible treatments to non-adults is one thing but...

Probably worth noting that puberty-blockers are completely reversible just by coming off them.

limitations on surgery make a little more sense, though that punishment is excessive.
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ShyOx
03/07/21 4:11:06 AM
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gafemaqs posted...
Most of the people in the age group this bill is targeting wouldn't be old enough to do any of those things. So...

Can you stop trying to bone kids long enough to realize this bill is fucking nuts

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gafemaqs
03/07/21 4:17:52 AM
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Nope, quite the contrary. It would be nuts not to have a bill that prevents children from following through with life-altering surgery before they can even understand the ramifications. Wait until you're of age, then make a decision.

Cue the kneejerk reaction to this levelheaded response

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TheMikh
03/07/21 4:21:33 AM
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EllieWilliams95 posted...
The bill also requires school staff in the state to disclose to parents that "a minor's perception that his or her gender is inconsistent with his or her sex." Essentially, teachers would be required to "out" transgender students to their guardians regardless of whether they are ready to do so.

pardon my ignorance (and sleepiness) but wouldn't this in particular run afoul of hipaa's privacy rules

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ShyOx
03/07/21 4:24:26 AM
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gafemaqs posted...
Nope, quite the contrary. It would be nuts not to have a bill that prevents children from following through with life-altering surgery before they can even understand the ramifications. Wait until you're of age, then make a decision.

Cue the kneejerk reaction to this levelheaded response

This bill does a LOT FUCKIN MORE THAN THAT HOMBRE

It's not even about preventing surgery, if you would take the five seconds necessary to read

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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
03/07/21 4:37:59 AM
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TheMikh posted...
pardon my ignorance (and sleepiness) but wouldn't this in particular run afoul of hipaa's privacy rules

https://www.sharecare.com/health/health-insurance/who-not-required-privacy-rule

  • Organizations that do not have to follow the government's privacy rule known as the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) include the following, according to the US Department of Health and Human Services:life insurers
  • Employers
  • Workers' compensation carriers
  • Most schools and school districts
  • Many state agencies, including child protective agencies
  • Most law enforcement agencies
  • Many municipal offices



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ColdOne666
03/07/21 4:44:21 AM
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The name of the act is hilarious. It's like they know they are trolling.

Also why the fuck should a teacher out someone, that's dumb.

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Vicious_Dios
03/07/21 8:08:12 AM
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VipaGTS posted...
Said it once. Said it twice. Ill say it a million times. Republicans are the reason America is being held back. Have always been. Always will be. Conservatives are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

You can also say that the world is flat, but that would still would be bullshit.

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DeadBankerDream
03/07/21 8:11:59 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't giving gender reassignment surgery and other permanent body alterations to minors related to trans-teens before legal age already illegal?

This seems like it has 3 main purposes

1) Sneak in hormone blocker illegalisation because republicans are horrible people

2) Force teachers to reveal the private matters of children under their care to bigoted parents who will make him miserable because republicans are horrible people

3) Send a message by overcriminalising something that is already illegal that America shouldn't accept even the mention of transgenderism, because republicans are horrible people.
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creativerealms
03/07/21 8:13:40 AM
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Most trans activists believe surgery should only happen during adulthood not before. Republicans bring up "kids going through sex reassignment therapy" as this horrible thing to flair up emotions and get people to side with them even when it's something almost everyone on the left, almost everyone pros trans person is against. Surgery should only happen when they become adults.

The issue is hormone therapy and blockers. In a vast majority of cases hormone blockers are safe and reversible. There are a small amount of cases where people end up with irreversible damage but I think Republicans have like twelve cases. Of the tens of to hundreds of thousands of people who use hormone blockers.

Surgery for kids is thrown in here to make people who might side with the left turn right hard. It is a lie but a good strategy.

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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
03/07/21 8:20:47 AM
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creativerealms posted...
It is a lie but a good strategy.
The GOP in a nutshell.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy
03/07/21 8:20:54 AM
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Forcing schools to out trans students to disapproving parents will only serve to increase suicide in a vulnerable group. Reprehensible.

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creativerealms
03/07/21 8:26:43 AM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
Forcing schools to out trans students to disapproving parents will only serve to increase suicide in a vulnerable group. Reprehensible.
Yeah that will only make things worse for the kids.

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Jagr_68
03/07/21 8:30:29 AM
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The things the South glorifies and controls so theocratically leads me to think we should offer to have them all secede from the US because they would damn well accept it in a heartbeat.

We can't support this kind of villainy any more as a nation if we want to progress as a society.

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Snip-N-Snails
03/07/21 8:38:20 AM
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gafemaqs posted...
Nope, quite the contrary. It would be nuts not to have a bill that prevents children from following through with life-altering surgery before they can even understand the ramifications. Wait until you're of age, then make a decision.

Cue the kneejerk reaction to this levelheaded response
You mean like circumcision? And I'm not sure if you know but being transgender isn't a choice. It's something transpeople have known since they were kids. Hormones are vital for them to acquire the childhood and peace of mind they need. They can also be reversed. Banning it and also requiring outing them is purely due to bigotry.

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Dark_SilverX
03/07/21 8:42:08 AM
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this breaks my heart now teachers will be beaten up after school :(

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/07/21 8:42:30 AM
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Social conservatives should not be allowed to participate in politics.

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gunplagirl
03/07/21 8:50:58 AM
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The goal of this legislation is to make trans kids lives so horrible that it forces them to either detransition and live in shame, or kill themselves. It doesn't protect the kids to ban any of this stuff. No kid is getting surgery. But puberty blockers have been proven to massively increase their self esteem and reduce risks of suicide.

Republicans and anyone else who'd support this bill would only do so if they hate transgender people and seek our eradication from society.

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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
03/07/21 8:52:28 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
The goal of this legislation is to make trans kids lives so horrible that it forces them to either detransition and live in shame, or kill themselves. It doesn't protect the kids to ban any of this stuff. No kid is getting surgery. But puberty blockers have been proven to massively increase their self esteem and reduce risks of suicide.

Republicans and anyone else who'd support this bill would only do so if they hate transgender people and seek our eradication from society.
Well...yeah.

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hockeybub89
03/07/21 8:54:45 AM
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They're trying to sweat transgenderism out of society. It's fucking ghoulish.

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TheoryzC
03/07/21 8:58:37 AM
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The party of personal freedom

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hockeybub89
03/07/21 9:02:17 AM
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TheoryzC posted...
The party of personal freedom of Republican lawmakers


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UnfairRepresent
03/07/21 9:04:07 AM
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Why are conservatives so viciously anti freedom?

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Bumjuice001
03/07/21 9:11:18 AM
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gafemaqs posted...
Nope, quite the contrary. It would be nuts not to have a bill that prevents children from following through with life-altering surgery before they can even understand the ramifications. Wait until you're of age, then make a decision.

Cue the kneejerk reaction to this levelheaded response

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