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pionear 03/12/21 11:06:05 AM #1: |
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Krazy_Kirby 03/12/21 11:50:19 AM #2: |
fucking stupid.
what's next, if you have a relative who killed someone, you have to give money to the victims descendents? --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Muscles 03/12/21 1:06:04 PM #3: |
I'm not against the idea of reparations but we are multiple generations since anyone was a slave, it seems like too little too late to me
They should have done this back in the 1800s --- Muscles Chicago Bears | Chicago Blackhawks | Chicago Bulls | Chicago Cubs | NIU Huskies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 03/12/21 1:14:21 PM #4: |
It'd be better to close the School-to-Prison Pipeline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School-to-prison_pipeline > In Spring 2018, a black male student at Apache Junction High School in Arizona wore a blue bandana to school-which violated the dress code. His teacher called the police on him for not removing his bandana. He was then arrested and suspended for nine days Don't wear blue in a red state? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Muscles 03/12/21 1:18:05 PM #5: |
Lokarin posted...
It'd be better to close the School-to-Prison PipelineSounds like he was a crip or at least the area had a lot of crips to make the teacher assume he was a part of them --- Muscles Chicago Bears | Chicago Blackhawks | Chicago Bulls | Chicago Cubs | NIU Huskies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 03/12/21 1:19:29 PM #6: |
That shouldn't matter - people have freedom of association.
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GunslingerGunsl 03/12/21 1:21:13 PM #7: |
Krazy_Kirby posted...
fucking stupid.You know that's not going to happen. It's not even a good comparison. The country literally enslaved and regularly murdered an entire race of people for a significant amount of time. Those racists ideologies and practices have long-lasting consequences on the systems in our communities. Generational trauma is real. Do you think it's better to just tell people "just forget about it and move on?" Would you tell someone with a trauma history to do that? What is your solution? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Muscles 03/12/21 1:25:09 PM #8: |
The solution is to update racist laws so we can end institutional racism and, on an individual level, to not be racist
I'm not sure what else you could do, we can't go back and change the past, we can't go back and give the people that were actually slaves reparations, there's nothing we can do but try to be better going forward --- Muscles Chicago Bears | Chicago Blackhawks | Chicago Bulls | Chicago Cubs | NIU Huskies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GunslingerGunsl 03/12/21 1:30:06 PM #9: |
Muscles posted...
The solution is to update racist laws so we can end institutional racism and, on an individual level, to not be racistYeah, I think it's definitely a complex issue. It almost seems impossible to come up with a way to address it adequately. I'm not even going to pretend that I know the answer (I didn't even vote in the poll). It depends on too many individuals changing their beliefs and behaviors and becoming more empathetic/understanding. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Muscles 03/12/21 1:43:51 PM #10: |
It definitely is complex, but getting rid of unjust laws and holding cops accountable would go a long way in correcting the mistakes of the past and present and would give everyone, especially black people, a better life
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agesboy 03/12/21 1:44:20 PM #11: |
Krazy_Kirby posted...
what's next, if you have a relative who killed someone, you have to give money to the victims descendents?if you benefitted from the economical exploitation of the systematic murder of minorities yeah you should have to give some of your inheritance and estate away but you're just twisting the situation into a non sequitur --- https://imgur.com/LabbRyN raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 03/12/21 1:47:56 PM #12: |
Under the program's first phase, qualifying residents would get $25,000 to use toward homeownership, home improvement and mortgage assistance, Simmons said. To qualify, residents must either have lived in or been a direct descendant of a Black person who lived in Evanston between 1919 to 1969 who suffered discrimination in housing because of city ordinances, policies or practices. That all sounds perfectly reasonable. --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 03/12/21 2:08:55 PM #13: |
pionear posted...
Think it's a Good Idea? (Poll Question) No, it's fucking stupid. Lokarin posted... That shouldn't matter - people have freedom of association. Sometimes I think you say something that stupid just to try to convince people to take an opinion opposite to the one you've espoused. GunslingerGunsl posted... You know that's not going to happen. It's not even a good comparison. The country literally enslaved and regularly murdered an entire race of people for a significant amount of time. Those racists ideologies and practices have long-lasting consequences on the systems in our communities. Generational trauma is real. Do you think it's better to just tell people "just forget about it and move on?" Would you tell someone with a trauma history to do that? What is your solution? And your argument is every bit as stupid as his hypothetical. In many cases, these reparations will be given to people whose ancestors weren't even in the country during the slave trend. More importantly, it perpetuates the harmful stereotype that the black community and African-Americans aren't capable of succeeding and need the government to help. If many successful African-Americans who are an inspiration to ALL people -- including Oprah, Daymond John, Lonnie Johnson (okay, maybe he isn't as famous as the others, but he should be more famous than he is), etc -- believed that poisoned narrative you're trying to push, they may never have achieved their success. GunslingerGunsl posted... Do you think it's better to just tell people "just forget about it and move on?" Would you tell someone with a trauma history to do that? What is your solution? Considering it's been about 150 years, yeah. Besides the fact that you can't actually change the past, we've seen countless measures already and we could be handing out cash and other crap for the next thousand years without actually fixing anything. The ONE really great (on paper anyway) program to fix these issues was repatriotization -- where America tried to help African-Americans who wanted to return to the land of their ancestors do so (which is the closest thing you can do to returning things to a pre-slavery status quo) -- but it was completely fucking bungled and the goal was largely infeasible anyway because of the time that passed (as well as other conditions), most former slaves had no interest in leaving the US. And really, why would they? Most were generations removed from their abduction and their ancestry became murky between only hearing stories about the land of their ancestors and, quite often, having ancestors from different lands. However, unlike trying to give reparations today to people who may or may not have even had slave ancestors, that was an actual solution with the power to do something. Muscles posted... The solution is to update racist laws so we can end institutional racism and, on an individual level, to not be racist Given that "institutional racism" is largely a phantom menace, there's really no way to "end" it. Most of the claims are outcome-based or purport to look at overall trends rather than highlight anything concrete. In many cases, it's predicated on bad information and completely unrealistic beliefs since, unless you contrive the system to REALLY be racist, you're not going to ever achieve anything close to similar outcome levels and if you do contrive the system in that way it's going to be something far more unjust than anything claimed now. There's no easy fix for America's social problems and anybody who claims there are is either a conman (Al Sharpton) or an idiot. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 03/12/21 2:12:41 PM #14: |
Zeus posted...
Sometimes I think you say something that stupid just to try to convince people to take an opinion opposite to the one you've espoused. I don't do it on purpose... :v I just sayin' that even if the dude was legit a crip (which it's totally phobic to assume so), he has that right --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ArvTheGreat 03/12/21 2:15:03 PM #15: |
Sounds like they ungrateful
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GunslingerGunsl 03/12/21 3:06:09 PM #16: |
Zeus posted...
And your argument is every bit as stupid as his hypothetical. In many cases, these reparations will be given to people whose ancestors weren't even in the country during the slave trend. More importantly, it perpetuates the harmful stereotype that the black community and African-Americans aren't capable of succeeding and need the government to help. If many successful African-Americans who are an inspiration to ALL people -- including Oprah, Daymond John, Lonnie Johnson (okay, maybe he isn't as famous as the others, but he should be more famous than he is), etc -- believed that poisoned narrative you're trying to push, they may never have achieved their success.Zeus, you're not even understanding the difference between saying that someone is disadvantaged and that someone is incapable of succeeding. Until you can acknowledge that, there is not point in arguing with you. Zeus posted... The ONE really great (on paper anyway) program to fix these issues was repatriotization -- where America tried to help African-Americans who wanted to return to the land of their ancestors do so (which is the closest thing you can do to returning things to a pre-slavery status quo)The fact that you think moving black people out of America as a reparation for a history of slavery and systemic racism is a GOOD idea just goes to show your lack of insight and empathy concerning this issue. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Krazy_Kirby 03/12/21 4:58:04 PM #17: |
make it optional to donate to a reparation fund then, don't tax people to pay for something their ancestors may or may not have done, to give money to people who also might have had slave owners as ancestors...
btw, I'm related to john brown, he killed slave owners and helped free slaves. --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 03/12/21 5:04:12 PM #18: |
Krazy_Kirby posted...
make it optional to donate to a reparation fund then, don't tax people to pay for something their ancestors may or may not have done, to give money to people who also might have had slave owners as ancestors... everyone pays into it not just white folks and ultimately it benefits everyone eventually, poverty is ironically very expensive to local governments --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano ... Copied to Clipboard!
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agesboy 03/12/21 5:09:20 PM #19: |
Krazy_Kirby posted...
btw,john brown would probably want you to use your white privilege to help the descendants of slaves live better lives, not just ignore systemic issues whether your ancestors owned slaves or not, you've still benefitted from being not black or brown in this country --- https://imgur.com/LabbRyN raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 03/12/21 5:10:16 PM #20: |
Krazy_Kirby posted...
btw, this is an even dumber equivalent to Im not racist I have a black friend --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 03/12/21 5:10:50 PM #21: |
Mead posted...
this is an even dumber equivalent to Im not racist I have a black friend I'm a nephew of Laura Secord... therefor i'm Chocolate --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 03/12/21 6:11:07 PM #22: |
Sounds stupid, and reading the article was pretty hilarious, seeing them unhappy that it isn't enough. Because of course that's the response.
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Mead 03/12/21 6:12:37 PM #23: |
streamofthesky posted...
seeing them unhappy that it isn't enough. who could them mean in this scenario --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 03/12/21 6:14:12 PM #24: |
Mead posted...
who could them mean in this scenarioBased on all the uproar over the $1400 checks, I'm gonna go w/ "anyone getting a free handout" seems to never think it's enough. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Clench281 03/12/21 7:01:13 PM #25: |
Zeus posted...
these reparations will be given to people whose ancestors weren't even in the country during the slave trend. Mead posted... To qualify, residents must either have lived in or been a direct descendant of a Black person who lived in Evanston between 1919 to 1969 who suffered discrimination in housing because of city ordinances, policies or practices. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Krazy_Kirby 03/12/21 7:02:21 PM #26: |
agesboy posted...
not my fault, and I'm not going to feel guilty for being white, I'm not an sjw. taxing people for what happened over a hundred years ago is stupid. --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GunslingerGunsl 03/12/21 7:20:03 PM #27: |
Krazy_Kirby posted...
not my fault, and I'm not going to feel guilty for being white, I'm not an sjw.I don't think anyone is asking you to feel guilty. I can admit that I am privileged in some aspects of my life, but it doesn't mean I need to feel guilty about it. I'm not saying I agree with this strategy of "making reparations" but I think dismissing it because it relates to something that happened over a hundred years ago is reductionist at best. If there are still lingering negative consequences of something that happened 100 years ago, why shouldn't we still be trying to address it? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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