Current Events > Arizona Dept of Education -babies young as 3 months old can show signs of racism

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/arizona-education-baby-toddler-racism-three-months

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1366820252252733446

Enlightening stuff


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Actual fucking clown world. Will this idiocy ever taper off?

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Vyrulisse posted...

Actual fucking clown world. Will this idiocy ever taper off?

this

leave the kids alone wtf

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A lot of these types of things are doing way more harm than good.

If we ever hope to really cure the society of racism we have to stop insisting that every person an interaction be considered through the lens of race.

I liked it when we were working towards a post racial world, we should get back to that.

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Tbf, I have a 4 week old and he's literally never once seen a black person so I mean...
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Yikes at age 4.

Someone is trolling lol

MutantJohn posted...

Tbf, I have a 4 week old and he's literally never once seen a black person so I mean...

This actually reminds me of a story. I didnt see a white person until I was about 5 or 6 years old, and I remember to this day the first thing I did was hide behind a desk upon seeing her because I literally thought she a ghost

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gamer167 posted...

Yikes at age 4.

Someone is trolling lol

lol I think you're right.

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Fucking racist babies

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CouldBeAnAlt posted...

Fucking racist babies

ban babies tbh

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That white baby seems to like his mother, who is also white.

Fucking racist

David1988 posted...

This actually reminds me of a story. I didnt see a white person until I was about 5 or 6 years old, and I remember to this day the first thing I did was hide behind a desk upon seeing her because I literally thought she a ghost

I dont know if that was going on in my case but I visited Japan, and this mom tried to introduce her toddler daughter to me. I am fairly certain she had never seen a white person before. And she just started crying at the sight of me

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I mean like, duh? I'm sure they don't mean intentional, malicious racism, but sure, people in homogenous communities can show favoritism, that seems like a normal tribe-brainy thing.

Straight up, I couldn't tell east asians apart until my relatives moved to Koreatown and we started visiting regularly.

Didn't cartoons cover this? Don't they still do that?

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The outrage here seems disingenuous lol.

Like, the picture in the OP is relatively well known. Would be interested to know how much of the developmental in-group/out-group stuff replicates, but it's not like people haven't been saying this for the past couple of decades.

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joe40001 posted...

A lot of these types of things are doing way more harm than good.

Have you considered that the reason things like this are possibly doing harm is because people react emotionally as if this is a personal attack rather than actually engaging with the material in any meaningful way?

Unfortunately we were all left with this world where race has largely defined the outcomes of many peoples' lives. Nothing's gonna change by just pretending like that isn't the case.

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

Have you considered that the reason things like this are possibly doing harm is because people react emotionally as if this is a personal attack rather than actually engaging with the material in any meaningful way?

Unfortunately we were all left with this world where race has largely defined the outcomes of many peoples' lives. Nothing's gonna change by just pretending like that isn't the case.

damn emotional infants

Kids are sponges. If they have racist behavior it's something that they learned from their parents or whoever is around them for most of their life. I pretty much agree with this notion.

Adults need to be better so that the next generation doesn't learn bad behavior. Perhaps create opportunities for them to socialize with kids of all colors.
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BakonBitz posted...

Kids are sponges. If they have racist behavior it's something that they learned from their parents or whoever is around them for most of their life. I pretty much agree with this notion.

Adults need to be better so that the next generation doesn't learn bad behavior. Perhaps create opportunities for them to socialize with kids of all colors.

I don't think that's really a thing most people have an option for, especially where it would be most useful.

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Real interesting that black and Latino young children have no preference for others of their own race but white children strongly prefer other white children. Its the difference between being a minority surrounded by white people and being a white child who doesnt see many minorities.

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

Have you considered that the reason things like this are possibly doing harm is because people react emotionally as if this is a personal attack rather than actually engaging with the material in any meaningful way?

Unfortunately we were all left with this world where race has largely defined the outcomes of many peoples' lives. Nothing's gonna change by just pretending like that isn't the case.

But then the smart thing is to use science to find where people are being mistreated and address it.

Some of the modern movement wants to say "people SHOULD be treated differently simply because of their race". As opposed to finding and measuring the inequalities and unfair treatments and addressing them.

I'm much more interested in solving tangible measurable problems then playing unwinnable games just so people can feel good hating "old white men".

I legitimately think if you offered the following proposition "You can instantly cure the inequality in the US but you would no longer be able to hate old white men." some people wouldn't take it. Because their priorities are that fucked up.

Babies aren't racist. Institutional problems exist, but we have to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with nonsense if we hope to get united to solve it.

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You are assigning a lot to the concept of racism and ignoring the context of how it's being used with babies.

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EnvoyOfTheLight posted...

You are assigning a lot to the concept of racism and ignoring the context of how it's being used with babies.

I could be wrong, but I have no faith in the intellectual and scientific rigor that goes behind "conclusions" like these. Often their methodology is shit and it's unreproducible as well as reverse engineered from a premise.

The fact people can literal satire passed social science journal reviewers is demonstrative of just how unrigorous it all is:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/arts/academic-journals-hoax.html

Babies aren't racist, this is nonsense. We need to focus on real problems and ignore idiots who want to focus on nonsense.

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COVxy posted...

The outrage here seems disingenuous lol.

Like, the picture in the OP is relatively well known. Would be interested to know how much of the developmental in-group/out-group stuff replicates, but it's not like people haven't been saying this for the past couple of decades.

A lot of people here are dumb as hell and choose to pretend like studies like this are dumb or are really racist because, I mean, they're probably quite racist themselves.

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joe40001 posted...

I could be wrong, but I have no faith in the intellectual and scientific rigor that goes behind "conclusions" like these. Often their methodology is shit and it's unreproducible as well as reverse engineered from a premise.

The fact people can literal satire passed social science journal reviewers is demonstrative of just how unrigorous it all is:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/arts/academic-journals-hoax.html

Babies aren't racist, this is nonsense. We need to focus on real problems and ignore idiots who want to focus on nonsense.

Reconsider the fact that you are kneejerking to a headline, rather than giving any kind of consideration to what they might mean. I'm not saying they're right, but you invalidate yourself by not even knowing they're talking about.

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Babies can't be racist. It just doesn't make sense. But then, you are talking about dyed in the wool "progressives", hard-core blue voters, and that is who has who has infested education departments across the country. Nothing is too out of this world for them.

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They also inserted that 'latinx' nonsense into the chart. Latinos don't even use that themselves. The irony of "progressives" giving other groups of people appellations they never wanted nor asked for while simultaneously proclaiming that they are people too, with minds of their own.

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onedarksoul posted...

Babies can't be racist. It just doesn't make sense. But then, you are talking about dyed in the wool "progressives", hard-core blue voters, and that is who has who has infested education departments across the country. Nothing is too out of this world for them.

It doesn't make sense that babies can have biases created by the environments they're raised in, be it active racism on the part of their parents or just being reared in a situation where they just don't see a certain kind of person entirely?

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EnvoyOfTheLight posted...

Reconsider the fact that you are kneejerking to a headline, rather than giving any kind of consideration to what they might mean. I'm not saying they're right, but you invalidate yourself by not even knowing they're talking about.

Yes. I fully acknowledge this article could be the exception. But I'm so exhausted by a lot of this that sometimes I don't take the time to go beyond my response to a headline, usually when I do it bears out my expectations, but I acknowledge it is possible this study is somehow the exception. Still I don't think the headline claim could be made in any scientific way.

Many people on the internet don't go beyond the headline. I try to most of the time, but if it's going down what sounds like a BS path I've heard 2000 times before, sometimes I don't have the patience.

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Right, but then you literally have no idea what you're talking about, so your contribution is just misguided venting.

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Chozo_Gunner posted...

It doesn't make sense that babies can have biases created by the environments they're raised in, be it active racism on the part of their parents or just being reared in a situation where they just don't see a certain kind of person entirely?

bias =/= racism, lack of exposure =/= racism, and prejudice =/= racism.
Its kind of bizarre how that word has become all encompassing over the past decade or so. People need to tighten up their word usage.

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David1988 posted...

This actually reminds me of a story. I didnt see a white person until I was about 5 or 6 years old, and I remember to this day the first thing I did was hide behind a desk upon seeing her because I literally thought she a ghost

I've heard stories of blacks visiting China, Korea, and Japan and getting similar responses out of kids, so, I mean...

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onedarksoul posted...

bias =/= racism, lack of exposure =/= racism, and prejudice =/= racism.
Its kind of bizarre how that word has become all encompassing over the past decade or so. People need to tighten up their word usage.

Racism includes every single one of those things though. Quit gaslighting.

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EnvoyOfTheLight posted...

Right, but then you literally have no idea what you're talking about, so your contribution is just misguided venting.

"Literally have no idea what you are talking about" is harsh and untrue hyperbole. Don't slap me with my own olive branch.

Did you read the whole article?

Also can you acknowledge that if you have read up on many faux-academics on woke theories and found them lacking that you might have something valid to say even if you don't do a deep dive on the newest one that is being presented?

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I know everything is racist. But consider David's example. He thought she was a ghost and hid behind the desk. Was he being racist? Where was the ill intent?

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Chozo_Gunner posted...

Racism includes every single one of those things though. Quit gaslighting.

He's not intentionally gaslighting, he's just not very smart.

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Chozo_Gunner posted...

Racism includes every single one of those things though. Quit gaslighting.

Are you for real?

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DrizztLink posted...

He's not intentionally gaslighting, he's just not very smart.

How smart does one have to be to use words correctly? Its not hard, yet neither of you can do it.

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The worst problem with the discussion on racism is many people are comfortable using the standard of something trivial "lack of exposure = racism" while bringing the baggage of something really heavy "wanting to murder other races = racism"

If you want to call a baby responding differently to somebody they are unfamiliar with racism, then you've watered down the term racism to the point that frankly who even gives a fuck about it?

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joe40001 posted...

If you want to call a baby responding differently to somebody they are unfamiliar with racism, then you've watered down the term racism to the point that frankly who even gives a fuck about it?

Stealing a $20 toy and stealing The Hope Diamond are both theft but I bet you don't have any problem understanding that there are varying levels of theft ranging from not so serious to very serious. I also suspect that you have never found yourself saying "if you're going to call them both theft then you've watered down the term theft to the point that frankly who even gives a fuck about it?" in regards to petty theft.

Flawed analogy.

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Tenlaar posted...

Stealing a $20 toy and stealing The Hope Diamond are both theft but I bet you don't have any problem understanding that there are varying levels of theft ranging from not so serious to very serious. I also suspect that you have never found yourself saying "if you're going to call them both theft then you've watered down the term theft to the point that frankly who even gives a fuck about it?" in regards to petty theft.

Notice how you had to append the term "petty" to theft when comparing them.

I'm down with re-having these kinds of discussions if we can have the labels "racism" and "petty racism".

I'm ok with calling it all racism, but I'm not ok with then the term racism or racist always carrying the same negative connotation baggage regardless of the differences in magnitude as you discuss.

In the statements "Dr. Seuss wrote racist books" and "The KKK has racist beliefs", the term "racist" means VERY different things but some people will sincerely attack the former type of racism with the baggage of the latter, and that's not often something people do with theft.

I'm all for providing context and levels on claims of racism, I think that would really help. And if under those new standards these babies are engaged in "petty racism" that's fine, it doesn't really bother me much, but you are free to call it racism with that qualifier.

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Its never too early to start the brainwashing.

joe40001 posted...

Notice how you had to append the term "petty" to theft when comparing them.

I'm down with re-having these kinds of discussions if we can have the labels "racism" and "petty racism".

I'm ok with calling it all racism, but I'm not ok with then the term racism or racist always carrying the same negative connotation baggage regardless of the differences in magnitude as you discuss.

In the statements "Dr. Seuss wrote racist books" and "The KKK has racist beliefs", the term "racist" means VERY different things but some people will sincerely attack the former type of racism with the baggage of the latter, and that's not often something people do with theft.

I'm all for providing context and levels on claims of racism, I think that would really help. And if under those new standards these babies are engaged in "petty racism" that's fine, it doesn't really bother me much, but you are free to call it racism with that qualifier.

The word racist is used without any qualifiers unlike other actions like theft, as if all racism carries the same degree of veneer, so thats actually a good point. When babies are racist we should call it petty racism tbh

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David1988 posted...

The word racist is used without any qualifiers unlike other actions like theft, as if all racism carries the same degree of veneer, so thats actually a good point. When babies are racist we should call it petty racism tbh

Thanks.

I think a few qualifiers on certain things to provide more context during discussions would really help some of these hot button discussions be more productive.

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joe40001 posted...

The fact people can literal satire passed social science journal reviewers is demonstrative of just how unrigorous it all is:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/arts/academic-journals-hoax.html

The thing is that this is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand lol.

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How they mention that white children can prefer the same race at age 4, while black and Latinx dont, is just so blatant in drumming up the victim narrative.

Its honestly racist how they try to force the victim narrative on to certain races.

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eh its known in the studies of linguistics that children are often aware of the meaning of many more words than theyre able to use verbally and so can internalise attitudes in diff ways

I do think as well though that if a kid sees someone who looks diff from their parents and what theyre used to it can obviously be like a "ooh unfamiliar" type thing. like my muslim friend when I was 5 I asked if he was made of chocolate lmao