Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 369: Non-Fungible Tokenism

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Big now we can brunch and not care about politics because they dont actually affect me energy.

The Biden administration is more competent in the sense that theyre not actively trying to crash the system around us, but theres still plenty to pay attention to!

I'm sorry, perhaps I was unclear.

Biden is not going nearly far enough in reigning in the overly-militarized police. He and Congressional Democrats are doing a piss-poor job of utilizing their majorities to pass meaningful legislation that will actively improve people's lives before their inaction creates such dissatisfaction that they lose big in the midterms. His military strikes in the Middle East are utterly unconscionable and are more likely to further destabilize the region and the world than they are to make anything better.

However, all of these problems existed before Biden and will most likely persist after him. Fixing any of them requires massive structural change than neither major party and very few voters are actually interested in. At the very least he's not creating a new crisis every day and three new controversies before breakfast, and in that regard he is both making politics more boring and doing a better job as President than Trump did.

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Our justice system is broken, doubly so for minorities. And the police are only making things worse. At this point the system just needs to be dismantled, and built back up from the ground up. We need a better system. One that works for everyone, not just the rich and powerful.

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Corrik7 posted...

Breaking the law is okay because I made up excuses for it being okay! All this means, bud.

In your opinion, is there ever a moral reason to break the law, and if there is, can I get some examples?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

In your opinion, is there ever a moral reason to break the law, and if there is, can I get some examples?

No, there is not legal reasons to break the law. Doing something morally to break the law doesn't make it legal or without repercussions. Morals are subjective. They are matters of opinions and vary from person to person. Are laws are to be followed to the letter of the law indicated and not moved around as we feel is right.

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Corrik7 posted...

No, there is not legal reasons to break the law. Doing something morally to break the law doesn't make it legal or without repercussions. Morals are subjective. They are matters of opinions and vary from person to person. Are laws are to be followed to the letter of the law indicated and not moved around as we feel is right.

I didnt ask if there was a legal excuse, I asked if, in your opinion, theres ever a moral one.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Big now we can brunch and not care about politics because they dont actually affect me energy.

To be fair, after four years of Trump and a year of Covid, I get wanting a detox from politics where you don't pay attention to the news cycle for a while because the last 4 years were a living hell. I mean we can't afford it, but I get it.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

I'm sorry, perhaps I was unclear.

Biden is not going nearly far enough in reigning in the overly-militarized police. He and Congressional Democrats are doing a piss-poor job of utilizing their majorities to pass meaningful legislation that will actively improve people's lives before their inaction creates such dissatisfaction that they lose big in the midterms. His military strikes in the Middle East are utterly unconscionable and are more likely to further destabilize the region and the world than they are to make anything better.

However, all of these problems existed before Biden and will most likely persist after him. Fixing any of them requires massive structural change than neither major party and very few voters are actually interested in. At the very least he's not creating a new crisis every day and three new controversies before breakfast, and in that regard he is both making politics more boring and doing a better job as President than Trump did.

This just makes me feel like many Trump voters feel like the whole institution is rotten to the core and want the whole thing changed. Which effectively amounts to a Trump dictatorship.

And they say progressives are the ones who want to destroy everything. Conservatives are the real creationists.

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Dancedreamer posted...

To be fair, after four years of Trump and a year of Covid, I get wanting a detox from politics where you don't pay attention to the news cycle for a while because the last 4 years were a living hell. I mean we can't afford it, but I get it.

I mean even if you are paying attention to the news cycle, mainstream news itself is considerably more tame. I feel like a lot of that is due to what Not An Owl is saying here. A lot of shit is still awful (border, criminal justice, covid, whatever) and it's exhausting.

Even the Chauvin trial stuff is like...we all know the score here. I don't expect much new info to come out. It doesn't register as newsworthy until the verdict, we've just seen this same shit too many times.

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What I'm truly floored by is how there was more backlash to this election result than even 2016. How are people so fanatical about Trump? I know it wasn't people voting against Biden (maybe the Democratic party as a whole, but not him!).

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People got to openly be hateful bigots under Trump, and they hated the idea that they may have to start hiding that they're hateful bigots again.

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It's weird to realize Corrik would've been a loyalist during the revolution

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Mike Lindell was on Steve Bannon's radio show informing us that Trump will be back in office in August.

So there's something to look forward to.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

What I'm truly floored by is how there was more backlash to this election result than even 2016. How are people so fanatical about Trump? I know it wasn't people voting against Biden (maybe the Democratic party as a whole, but not him!).

There is more backlash because the GOP had time to build the narrative that Democrats are unfairly stealing and rigging the election. They continue to use this narrative to justify anti-democratic laws and policies like the ones in Georgia. A lot of the backlash is against democracy itself. Trump was just able to fuel this by vocalizing it.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I didnt ask if there was a legal excuse, I asked if, in your opinion, theres ever a moral one.

It's subjective. Anyone can have moral reasoning for anything regardless of wrong or right. If they think they morally have the right to do what they do, then accept the consequences of the law when you do them.

There is a reason we define a literal written law and don't leave morality as the bar for a crime.

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Corrik7 posted...

It's subjective. Anyone can have moral reasoning for anything regardless of wrong or right. If they think they morally have the right to do what they do, then accept the consequences of the law when you do them.

There is a reason we define a literal written law and don't leave morality as the bar for a crime.

Corrik he is literally asking you to give one of these subjective opinions instead of vagueposting about written law

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

There is more backlash because the GOP had time to build the narrative that Democrats are unfairly stealing and rigging the election. They continue to use this narrative to justify anti-democratic laws and policies like the ones in Georgia. A lot of the backlash is against democracy itself. Trump was just able to fuel this by vocalizing it.

Thanks for confirming that conservatives do, in fact, hate their country's government.

Oh and notice how all three presidents with a business background left office with the economy in ruins. Maybe a whole country's economy shouldn't be run like a business!

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Corrik he is literally asking you to give one of these subjective opinions instead of vagueposting about written law

Corrik doesnt have moral opinions outside of obeying the law. We all know this.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Sounds like the George Floyd trial started today. My opinion on this is as it was before.

Please dont call it the George Floyd trial. Hes not on trial. His murderer is.
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You guys really still talking to him! All right.

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Also a reminder that Corrik has stated that if Chauvin is found not guilty, he will join the protests in the streets, so I hope he lives up to his word!
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also a reminder that Corrik has stated that if Chauvin is found not guilty, he will join the protests in the streets, so I hope he lives up to his word!

"It's not a protest, it's a riot. You're just trying to twist the narrative."

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I watched a good chunk of the court proceedings today, and this is such an open-and-shut case that I'm mentally preparing myself not to get too enraged if Chauvin walks. The defense attorney argued that the bystanders yelling and calling the cops names caused them to "divert their attention from the care of Mr. Floyd."

Some of the most maddening, egregious shit I've ever heard.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I watched a good chunk of the court proceedings today, and this is such an open-and-shut case that I'm mentally preparing myself not to get too enraged if Chauvin walks. The defense attorney argued that the bystanders yelling and calling the cops names caused them to "divert their attention from the care of Mr. Floyd."

Weird how it didn't divert their attention from murdering Mr. Floyd.

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I'm trying to figure out here, if I was a defense attorney and I was forced to try to defend this case how could I reasonably go about it? Because it's supposed to be required by law so no matter how guilty someone is they are supposed to be defended and at the same time there's no way he can plead insanity.

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If "knee on the neck" is a restraint method taught and authorized by Minneapolis PD, just hammer home that the cop was doing what he was trained to do and ignore the duration of the choke and the ensuing death.

I mean fuck if I know

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

If "knee on the neck" is a restraint method taught and authorized by Minneapolis PD, just hammer home that the cop was doing what he was trained to do and ignore the duration of the choke and the ensuing death.

I mean fuck if I know

Pretty sure it came out that this method of "restraint" was actually banned to begin with there.

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CaptainOfCrush posted... If "knee on the neck" is a restraint method taught and authorized by Minneapolis PD, just hammer home that the cop was doing what he was trained to do and ignore the duration of the choke and the ensuing death.

This was where my mind goes if I had to be the scumbag that does this. "It was a tough situation", "Trained to do it", "Being a cop is a hard job and he had to worry about the safety of his young colleagues", "stressful situation, split second decision". You just have to get sympathy with one juror.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Pretty sure it came out that this method of "restraint" was actually banned to begin with there.

Google says it was allowed by those trained on how to do it without restricitng airways. No word on if Chauvin was trained in this.

But that is complicated enough that it could conceivably confuse at least 1 juror.

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To continue the scumbag defense with the knee maneuver, would argue that "Regardless of the legal status of the knee, he was trained to use it and in the heat of the moment instincts took over, no intent to kill just years of training in action". Would be extra defense against the second degree murder charge.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik doesnt have moral opinions outside of obeying the law. We all know this.

I would like to hear him explain in his own words where the line lies, even if its as selfish as when it puts my life in danger.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I would like to hear him explain in his own words where the line lies, even if its as selfish as when it puts my life in danger.

Hes explained this before

If he breaks the law when protecting his own life, he deserves to go to jail.
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lawful stupid

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Jakyl25 posted...

Hes explained this before

If he breaks the law when protecting his own life, he deserves to go to jail.

Maybe it would be easier if we just said that everyone deserves to go to jail. Just criminalize existing. Then no one could complain.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

Wow, it's almost like having reasonable adults in charge of government makes things boring!

(while you and I may not be happy with everything the Biden administration has done I think we can at least agree they are considerably more competent at running an effective government than the toadies Trump put in charge)

This kind of stuff is just utterly baffling to me. How is Biden, the doddering sundowning gaffe machine who eulogized and befriended racists, wrote and supported the absolute worst policies throughout his career and has multiple allegations of sexual assault, a more reasonable adult to a degree that soothes you enough to call it boring? He wants to be bipartisan, so the only two ways you can read that are that he is the least reasonable person alive, or that he is a conman just like Trump. How is "every single problem still exists" boring? The state of the country is not based on how freaked out the pundits in every news cycle act every day. How is "competent at running the government without fundamentally changing it even though it is bad" anything worthwhile to feel okay with? I just really do not understand saying things like this.

If you can't figure out how Biden and his administration are different enough from Trump to prompt that tame of a reaction, you're too far up your own ass with that "both sides" bullshit

EDIT: Anybody that can look at the shit Trump did and still go "SAME PERSON" isn't worth the time of day

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nowhere in my post did I say "SAME PERSON". they are different in many ways. but ultimately, they are both so bad that you should never feel like "well, we have reasonable competent adults now ZZZ boring", THAT is what makes no sense to me.

He wants to be bipartisan, so the only two ways you can read that are that he is the least reasonable person alive, or that he is a conman just like Trump.

Actually hes been doing a good job of making people think hes been bi-partisan while implementing absolutely nothing Republicans want. Moderate Dems are another issue, but to call anything hes done legislatively bipartisan is just a lie at this point.

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I would take 39 years of an immortal vampire Biden over one more week of Trump.

Their degrees of bad are not in the same ballpark. Anybody who thinks it's even comparable in badness just for different reasons is not worth the time of day.

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Biden being in office means we're more likely to stuff that actually helps Americans. Not enough, obviously, but it's generally better than Trump when he literally only helped super rich people.

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fuming posted...

nowhere in my post did I say "SAME PERSON". they are different in many ways. but ultimately, they are both so bad that you should never feel like "well, we have reasonable competent adults now ZZZ boring", THAT is what makes no sense to me.

I'm not sure why you thought responding to an allegation of both sidesism with both sidesism was a good idea, but okay

Biden's bad, but it's literally not even close to Trump

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/03/29/arkansas-passes-bill-restricting-access-medical-treatments-transgender-children/

Arkansas just passed a bill to prohibit doctors from providing gender-affirming medical care to transgender children - care that medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, have called essential to their mental health.

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Under the legislation, titled the Save Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act

That name though.

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does anyone else want to make a post pointlessly defending Biden as being better than Trump when literally nobody was making that argument? did anyone even read what the post I responded to said or what I said to it? Do people just reflexively react with "better than trump" when anything Biden critical is uttered? Like, the election is over, you don't have to keep reminding people of that. You can start hating Biden now! You are free from "better than trump"!

to red, I agree he hasn't actually done anything bipartisan, but he has signed, what, one major bill? and he has signaled he wants to. just one example:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/03/biden-minimum-wage-negotiations-republicans-473583

xp1337 posted...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/03/29/arkansas-passes-bill-restricting-access-medical-treatments-transgender-children/

Arkansas just passed a bill to prohibit doctors from providing gender-affirming medical care to transgender children - care that medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, have called essential to their mental health.

Considering Tucker Carlson has spent the past week talking about transgender children, I assume that this is the new major culture war for conservatives.

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fuming posted...

to red, I agree he hasn't actually done anything bipartisan, but he has signed, what, one major bill? and he has signaled he wants to. just one example:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/03/biden-minimum-wage-negotiations-republicans-473583

I don't think its an example. We're in legislative gridlock until reconciliation bill #2, which we likely won't see til much later this year. He hasn't yet backed down from a $15 benchmark either.

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fuming posted...

to red, I agree he hasn't actually done anything bipartisan, but he has signed, what, one major bill? and he has signaled he wants to. just one example:

Oh, and a ton of executive actions too, none of which cater to Republicans.

The justice department has been busy working on legal challenges to all the Republican voter suppression bills as well.

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red13n posted...

Actually hes been doing a good job of making people think hes been bi-partisan while implementing absolutely nothing Republicans want. Moderate Dems are another issue, but to call anything hes done legislatively bipartisan is just a lie at this point.

If Biden's legislation doesn't have bipartisan support, then why do Republicans in Congress keep trying to take credit for the good stuff it's done?
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