Current Events > Not trying to seem edgy, but why was Jesus' sacrifice so amazing?

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If God existed and guaranteed me that by letting myself die, all of humanity could go to heaven and be forgiven of sin, I'd do it on a heartbeat
It doesn't seem that impressive. Like if a magic genie told you they'd get rid of cancer if you killed yourself, who wouldn't do that outside of selfish assholes?

Selfless assholes are much rarer than selfish assholes

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It wasn't.

Gandalf fighting a Balrog to the death was more heroic and amazing.

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Because it ended the need for the ritual of sacrificial lambs that the jewish people had to go through time and time again, instead of giving up their livestock of which they could eat they can now just ask for forgiveness.

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But if Jesus is God did he let himself die so he'd forgive us of sin he created?

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I mean theres also the whole torture and crucifixion thing.

Theres also the fact that, most people actually wouldnt make that sacrifice. Have you seen r/IATA? Seems like the common sentiment of the world is dont do anything selfless, ever >_>

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It wasn't. Jesus literally sacrificed nothing. Dying doesn't mean shit when you know you're going to come back to life in a few days.

ShinyMuffin posted...

If God existed and guaranteed me that by letting myself die, all of humanity could go to heaven and be forgiven of sin, I'd do it on a heartbeat
It doesn't seem that impressive. Like if a magic genie told you they'd get rid of cancer if you killed yourself, who wouldn't do that outside of selfish assholes?

Not only that, but he self-rezzed in three days, so he didnt even really sacrifice his life.

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CE getting to the root of things

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Funkydog posted...

But if Jesus is God did he let himself die so he'd forgive us of sin he created?

Nah, it was a prank on stupid humans. God didn't actually kill himself.

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reminder: in the story the dude literally lets himself be tortured and crucified to death in immense pain for doing no wrong whatsoever

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Jagr_68 posted...

Nah, it was a prank on stupid humans. God didn't actually kill himself.

He did have to up the stakes after getting Abraham good and proper.

God, the original "Just a prank, Bro"

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God creates problem.

God solves problem.

Demands worship for participation in salvation.
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It's literally a retcon from idiots in denial.

Jesus is just Yom Kippur in dude shape, it's not even subtle. So let's take a dude shaped goat and give him a Passion narrative in the same fashion as other mystery religions popular at the time, and boom, you get Jesus and Christianity.

The focus on suffering and Passion is just something that was very common in religions at the time, Christianity was not the first by a longshot. In fact other Passion based cults are mentioned explicitly in the Bible. Several times "Weeping for Tammuz" is mentioned and complained about in the Old Testament, and he's a Mesopotamian fertility god who "died" during the summer, whose followers would mourn for 40 days every year for this.

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Jesus stop fucking virtue signaling we all know your dad owns morality

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TheOtherMike posted...

It wasn't. Jesus literally sacrificed nothing. Dying doesn't mean shit when you know you're going to come back to life in a few days.

huh. thats a good point. so he knows he will come back and everything before he died.

i guess being tortured was the sacrifice then.

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TheBlueMonk_ posted...

huh. thats a good point. so he knows he will come back and everything before he died.

i guess being tortured was the sacrifice then.

It wasn't his choice.

"My God, why have you forsaken me?"

From their perspective God let the heathens sacrafice him self via a human child version of him self.

The point was to have a sacrafice so powerful that they would no longer need to sacrafice their animals (or children in some cases).

OMNl posted...

From their perspective God let the heathens sacrafice him self via a human child version of him self.

The point was to have a sacrafice so powerful that they would no longer need to sacrafice their animals (or children in some cases).

So they were just fulfilling Gods torture fetish?

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I would say, from the perspective of God, it would be more akin to you, a completely innocent person, sacrificing yourself so that every rapist and murderer in prison gets to go free.

Just going by the logic that all sins are more or less equal, in that they separate people from God, and Jesus was without sin.

Its still not necessarily some huge, noble sacrifice but I think the perception of it is somewhat skewed because we are looking at it as he saved a bunch of like, mostly innocent people who did nothing other than be mean a few times or say a cuss word or cheat on their spouse or steal money or something. But from the perspective of some sort of perfect being he was basically saving the guys who did the 9/11 terror attacks AND Jeffrey Epstein.

I dont really believe in all that stuff but I think thats how its supposed to be interpreted, anyhow.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

God creates problem.

God solves problem.

Demands worship for participation in salvation.

I was gonna make a joke here about how Trump actually was God the whole time but his solutions never really fixed the problems he created.

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AlisLandale posted...

I mean theres also the whole torture and crucifixion thing.

Again though, temporary torture for something THAT good? It's nothing
Plus like everyone else said in here, he also knew he'd get to come back alive and go to Heaven afterwards.

MrToothHasYou posted...

I would say, from the perspective of God, it would be more akin to you, a completely innocent person, sacrificing yourself so that every rapist and murderer in prison gets to go free.

Eh, not really the vengeful type. If rapists and murderers get eternal paradise, so be it? You can't rape or murder in Heaven so...

Theres the whole thing of its 100% made up for money.

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it was all for nothin since the people still sad :(

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ShinyMuffin posted...

Again though, temporary torture for something THAT good? It's nothing
Plus like everyone else said in here, he also knew he'd get to come back alive and go to Heaven afterwards.

Also bear in mind that Jesus was still pseudo-human, so he had hopes and dreams and plans and stuff. He figured he'd have this awesome long life of preaching and philosophy and magic and shit, get to have a family with Mary Magdalene, etc... But then in like his 20s, that plan gets completely changed to "JK, you gotta get tortured and die so that all these people who totally suck and talk shit about you can go to heaven and stuff."

Not a lot of young adults who would agree to end their lives for the greater good, especially when it's benefiting their enemies. Most people saying "Oh I would totally do that" are liars lol.


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Knowing you will be tortured and brutally beaten seemed incredibly nerve wrecking. Jesus sweated blood from praying so intensely to ready his mind, body, and spirit for what was impending.

I was taught that he took on the sins of the world as he was dying, and the magnitude of the sin was such that God had to turn away from him, hence, "My God, why have you forsaken me?"
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The fact that you would do it doesn't matter because you're not pure/sinless. I'm not really religious, but that's how I understand it. It was the purity combined with the sacrifice that saved believers, not just the sacrifice itself.

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LordMarshal posted...

Theres the whole thing of its 100% made up for money.

I can't believe it's %100 made up. Probably like 75% made up because you'd think they'd come up with something better than he wanted to be tortured and killed by the Romans.

Funkydog posted...

So they were just fulfilling Gods torture fetish?

I think I've heard it said like, God himself needed to see the result of sin and also the redeemability of human kind. His son choosing to die for lowly humans softened God's heart.

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ImAMarvel posted...

This. Even as a kid, I never knew why this was supposed to be such a big deal.

"The man was publically executed then came back to life. What's the importance of that?"