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MildEnergy
03/23/21 1:31:32 AM
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Just wondering

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David1988
03/23/21 1:33:07 AM
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Because thats the only stable sovereign nation in the Middle East, all the rest of the stable nations there are effectively US satellites

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 1:35:07 AM
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IS there a REAL reason aside from that?

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pure_temper
03/23/21 1:35:59 AM
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We dont

we just dont want them to have nuclear capabilities because they are basically a theocracy

not sure how their current leader thinks but Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had some worrisome things to say as the former leader there

not good optics when you throw nukes into the mix, idk

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Nukazie
03/23/21 1:37:43 AM
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pure_temper posted...
we just dont want them to have nuclear capabilities because they are basically a theocracy
where'd they even get such power

i mean did they hide their power level during the world wars?

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R1masher
03/23/21 1:38:11 AM
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And Iran, Iran so far away, I couldnt get away... doot doot doot dooo

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 1:38:20 AM
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Wait. If we don't want them to get nukes. Why did we leave Iran deal?

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OmegaShinkai
03/23/21 1:39:31 AM
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The enemy of Israel is automatically the enemy of the US, obviously.
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CanuckCowboy
03/23/21 1:40:00 AM
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Nukazie posted...
where'd they even get such power

i mean did they hide their power level during the world wars?

They basically got stomped in 41

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pure_temper
03/23/21 1:40:54 AM
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Nukazie posted...
where'd they even get such power

i mean did they hide their power level during the world wars?

most likely China. There was news a while back about a massive deal between the countries.

thats just the public stuff we know about tho. For sure they get propped up by China and Russia

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2020/07/17/china-and-iran-approach-massive-400-billion-deal/

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-11-17/china-and-russia-have-irans-back

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 1:41:34 AM
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Solid Snake07
03/23/21 1:42:00 AM
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Because Iran is controlled by religious zealots who oppress their citizens for one.

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 1:42:35 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Because Iran is controlled by religious zealots who oppress their citizens for one.
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a US ally

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Solid Snake07
03/23/21 1:45:05 AM
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MildEnergy posted...
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a US ally


Loosely. More of an enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of relationship.

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 1:45:39 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Loosely. More of an enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of relationship.
No they are straight up allies.

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 1:46:42 AM
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One of these countries gets crippling sanctions. The other gets sold weapons.

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 1:48:08 AM
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Solid Snake07
03/23/21 1:59:13 AM
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MildEnergy posted...
No they are straight up allies.


A very strained alliance for the past 20 or so years.

We have a mutually beneficial trade relationship and the Saudis have for the most part supported our foriegn policy decisions post WWII, particularly against the Soviets.

Still, to say it's a shakey relationship is an understatement. Most Americans don't like the Saudis and the Saudis have a very split public opinion about the US.

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 2:01:05 AM
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MildEnergy posted...
One of these countries gets crippling sanctions. The other gets sold weapons.


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Solid Snake07
03/23/21 2:11:11 AM
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You asked why the US doesn't like Iran. Much of the US doesn't like the Saudis either.

If you're asking why diplomatic relations are worse that's a different much longer conversation that is gonna vary depending on who you ask.

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ShyOx
03/23/21 4:27:20 AM
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Because Iran has been a major enemy of Israel. Considering they're among our most important allies in the world, we gain a lot more from a good relationship with them than a good one with Iran would. This is fundamentally the answer; if they could, Iran would have wiped Israel off the map long ago because of religious and cultural differences. If Iran had nukes, Israel is getting nuked first.

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 4:28:20 AM
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ShyOx posted...
we gain a lot more from a good relationship with them than a good one with Iran would
X for doubt.

ShyOx posted...
If Iran had nukes, Israel is getting nuked first.

Which one of these countries has nukes.

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ShyOx
03/23/21 4:28:53 AM
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To follow up Israel has repeatedly supported extremist terrorist groups, so most of the western world doesn't like them. On top of that, Russia and China back them, so it's been a cold war for a long time. You can look at the wiki for more details.

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ShyOx
03/23/21 4:30:01 AM
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MildEnergy posted...
X for doubt.

Which one of these countries has nukes.

I mean why did you ask the question if you already have the answer you want lol

The point is, Israel has them and DOESN'T use them. If Iran had them, they would use them. They'd wipe Israel off the map.

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 4:32:24 AM
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ShyOx posted...
I mean why did you ask the question if you already have the answer you want lol

The point is, Israel has them and DOESN'T use them. If Iran had them, they would use them. They'd wipe Israel off the map.
Hey remember how we had that nuclear deal going.

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ShyOx
03/23/21 4:33:24 AM
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MildEnergy posted...
Hey remember how we had that nuclear deal going.

the one Trump tanked? Yes we remember

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MildEnergy
03/23/21 4:35:32 AM
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Along with Netanyahus lies?

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Machete
03/23/21 4:50:03 AM
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ShyOx posted...


the one Trump tanked? Yes we remember


donald trump fucked literally everything up
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electricbugs2
03/23/21 4:53:07 AM
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David1988 posted...
Because thats the only stable sovereign nation in the Middle East, all the rest of the stable nations there are effectively US satellites
Uhhhh...

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ssjevot
03/23/21 5:20:48 AM
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Iran still operates US fighter jets that were sold to them when a US backed regime was in charge. Then an Islamic student revolution happened putting the current theorcracy/democracy hybrid regime in charge that was decidedly not going to go along with US foreign policy wishes. The US is happy to support a straight up absolute monarchy/theocracy hybrid like Saudi Arabia because they go along with US foreign policy wishes. It has nothing to do with opposing theocracy or being concerned about oppression or whatever. The US backed regime in Iran (the Shah) wasn't some happy democracy bastion of human rights.

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Ricemills
03/23/21 5:23:41 AM
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1. Iran is Israel's enemy
2. US is Israel's bitch
3. ????
4. Profit!


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pure_temper
03/23/21 10:08:52 AM
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ssjevot posted...
It has nothing to do with opposing theocracy or being concerned about oppression or whatever

i think that changes when nukes are in the picture

Saudi Arabia doesnt have nukes whereas Iran wants them


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ssjevot
03/23/21 10:17:44 AM
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Saudi Arabia doesn't need them because Israel and/or the US would gladly provide them with them if the need arises. It's the same reason Japan doesn't develop nuclear weapons. They could at a moment's notice but they don't need to.

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pure_temper
03/23/21 10:39:46 AM
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ssjevot posted...
Saudi Arabia doesn't need them because Israel and/or the US would gladly provide them with them if the need arises. It's the same reason Japan doesn't develop nuclear weapons. They could at a moment's notice but they don't need to.

lets keep it that way tbh

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HBOSS
03/23/21 11:35:58 AM
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Fear. Fear compels the actions the US when it comes to the middle east.

Allies fear their safety in the region
US is big bro keeps the status quo in the region. While other side wants changes so the region benefits them. We are scared whatll happen if the lands and allies change.

Hundreds of years there in efforts to claim lands. The fear cycle continues the way it is now for hundreds of years more until someone or some group can not only unite the people but also the outsiders involved


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2Pacavelli
03/23/21 11:36:25 AM
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David1988 posted...
Because thats the only stable sovereign nation in the Middle East, all the rest of the stable nations there are effectively US satellites

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2Pacavelli
03/23/21 11:37:04 AM
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With Iran out the way the USA would control ALL the Oil. They want All the Oil
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pure_temper
03/23/21 11:59:31 AM
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2Pacavelli posted...
With Iran out the way the USA would control ALL the Oil. They want All the Oil

dude this talking point is like 20 years old and may have made sense back when Bush was relying on bad intel

but how could it be a good argument when the Biden administration is now talking about investing $3 trillion into renewables and infrastructure spending?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79362767


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