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What is the difference or is something like someone who is transexual can be transgender but not necessarily the other way around.

do you think maybe you could use punctuation it might make your sentences easier to read maybe its just me i dont know

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

do you think maybe you could use punctuation it might make your sentences easier to read maybe its just me i dont know

Can somebody help me understand about the terms transgender and transexual? I want to know the difference between how we can use each term or is it something such as a transexual person can be considered transgender but not necessarily transgender are transexual.

The term transsexual, however, continues to be used,[25] and some people who pursue medical assistance (for example, sex reassignment surgery) to change their sexual characteristics to match their gender identity prefer the designation transsexual and reject transgender.[22][23][24] One perspective offered by transsexual people who reject a transgender label for that of transsexed is that, for people who have gone through sexual reassignment surgery, their anatomical sex has been altered, whilst their gender remains constant

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Hmm I think I understand more. That's what I was sort of thinking as well. But I'm trying to learn more too

My ex called herself Transexual because she was taking steps to ease her dysphoria by taking hormones, having surgeries, laser hair romoval etc etc. Getting as close to being unclockable as she could.

She'd call people transgender who had no intention of trying to pass permanently, they had no intention of surgery or hormones etc.

How widespread those definitions are I don't know, but that's how she defined herself.

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Transsexual as a term seems mostly to be on its way out

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TC, if you're trying to learn more about the topic in general, this might help you out. It was shared to me at a conference I was at not too long ago.



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Genderbread man to the rescue.

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DravenRainrix posted...

My ex called herself Transexual because she was taking steps to ease her dysphoria by taking hormones, having surgeries, laser hair romoval etc etc. Getting as close to being unclockable as she could.

She'd call people transgender who had no intention of trying to pass permanently, they had no intention of surgery or hormones etc.

How widespread those definitions are I don't know, but that's how she defined herself.

Thank you for sharing that insight, that was very helpful, thank you

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Never seen anything like this before, so this is going to help me a lot. That's awesome because I am a visual learner

DravenRainrix posted...

unclockable

Not familiar with that phrase.

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Transexual is an outdated term, and is being phased out, because it sort of creates this expectation that you aren't REALLY trans unless you undergo medical treatment, which obviously isn't the case at all. How a person chooses to transition is entirely their choice, and no one way is more valid than another.

DrizztLink posted...

Not familiar with that phrase.

It means no one would suspect they're trans.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

It means no one would suspect they're trans.

Alright, that's what I thought but wanted to make sure.

Is it a preferable term to "passing?"

That's got some issues, from what I understand.

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DrizztLink posted...

Alright, that's what I thought but wanted to make sure.

Is it a preferable term to "passing?"

That's got some issues, from what I understand.

I'm not really sure, I don't THINK so, but I will say that not everyone wants to "pass"; a lot of trans folk see their transition as a part of their identity, and they want people to know how much they struggled.

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DrizztLink posted...

Alright, that's what I thought but wanted to make sure.

Is it a preferable term to "passing?"

That's got some issues, from what I understand.

Passing and Unclockable were different to her. I shouldn't be speaking for her really but hey ho.

Passable - people in the street pay no attention to her so they pass her by.
Clockable - when someone looks at her, like a shop worker or what have you, they would realise she's trans.
Unclockable - no one would know until she told them she's trans. This was her goal.


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DravenRainrix posted...

Passable - people in the street pay no attention to her so they pass her by.

This is more like an entirely different context for passing. "Passing" when talking about trans people, just means they read as cis to outsiders.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

This is more like an entirely different context for passing. "Passing" when talking about trans people, just means they read as cis to outsiders.

Yeah I get that. She just used it as a term to mean no one spots her in public unless they really looked at her. She would often point out people doing some weird double takes when they saw her, so that day she wasn't passing well.
But she is just 1 person, her usages don't reflect everyone.

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DrizztLink posted...

Alright, that's what I thought but wanted to make sure.

Is it a preferable term to "passing?"

That's got some issues, from what I understand.

Clocking is the opposite of passing, when a person gets clocked it means someone noticed they were trans

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

I'm not really sure, I don't THINK so, but I will say that not everyone wants to "pass"; a lot of trans folk see their transition as a part of their identity, and they want people to know how much they struggled.

Alright.

I'm studying to be a social worker, and I'm cis myself so I don't have my own experiences to know anything about this. Learning as much as we can from an outsider's perspective in order to serve our clients is one of our core tenents.

I've just seen some resentment towards the "passing" label since it can invalidate those who don't, can't, or don't want to, so I wasn't sure if it's a concept that should be avoided entirely or if there are better ways to discuss it.

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DrizztLink posted...

Alright.

I'm studying to be a social worker, and I'm cis myself so I don't have my own experiences to know anything about this. Learning as much as we can from an outsider's perspective in order to serve our clients is one of our core tenents.

I've just seen some resentment towards the "passing" label since it can invalidate those who don't, can't, or don't want to, so I wasn't sure if it's a concept that should be avoided entirely or if there are better ways to discuss it.

I'd imagine it'd be okay to talk about it if passability is a goal for them, but I'd avoid any sort of suggestions about what "is" or "isn't" passable (not that you would) just because most trans people already struggle a lot with presentation and body dysmorphia.

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Yeah the word pass by itself is problematic in that it seems invalidating to those who dont and seems like a pedestal for those who want to. But contextually its an understandable thing that some people wish to achieve.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

I'd imagine it'd be okay to talk about it if passability is a goal for them, but I'd avoid any sort of suggestions about what "is" or "isn't" passable (not that you would) just because most trans people already struggle a lot with presentation and body dysmorphia.

Yeah, if I somehow ended up in the situation, it'd be a client-focused and guided thing, let them define goals and plans.

I'm intending to operate on a more macro level (policy and law stuff over individual client care) but it's important to know.

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DrizztLink posted...

Yeah, if I somehow ended up in the situation, it'd be a client-focused and guided thing, let them define goals and plans.

I'm intending to operate on a more macro level (policy and law stuff over individual client care) but it's important to know.

Of course! And good luck! (Sounds like you're doin' your homework!)

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