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Lairen 03/30/21 11:53:21 AM #1: |
I sneak into someones house to kill someone by shooting them in their sleep but theyre actually already dead and even died an hour ago yet i was not aware and shot their dead body in their sleep......
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Heartomaton 03/30/21 11:53:52 AM #2: |
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Will_VIIII 03/30/21 11:54:33 AM #3: |
Maybe breaking and entering, attempted first degree murder, and defilement of a corpse?
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harley2280 03/30/21 11:54:43 AM #4: |
Attempted murder is still a crime in some jurisdictions.
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HODL_Austin_Era 03/30/21 11:54:56 AM #5: |
This is a topic.
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lww99 03/30/21 11:55:54 AM #6: |
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divot1338 03/30/21 11:57:54 AM #7: |
No witnesses so nothing probably. Unless you also engaged in necrophilia and left some DNA behind. Pervert.
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ThePieReborn 03/30/21 11:58:14 AM #8: |
Factual impossibility does not preclude being charged with an inchoate crime, which here would be attempted murder.
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:00:06 PM #9: |
So if i put my knee on the back of someones neck while theyre on the floor but they technically died from something else.....
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seankimberley42 03/30/21 12:00:19 PM #10: |
Well, in Canada we had a cop tried and convicted of attempted murder for this very scenario. He shot a suspect three times, the suspect died instantly, and the cop shot him six more times. He was charged (and found not guilty) of murder for the first three bullets and charged (and found guilty) with attempted murder for the next six shots.
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CanuckCowboy 03/30/21 12:00:46 PM #11: |
Shut up.
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NeonOctopus 03/30/21 12:01:01 PM #12: |
Lairen posted...
So if i put my knee on the back of someones neck while theyre on the floor but they technically died from something else.....lol now we see the true purpose of this topic --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_SilverX 03/30/21 12:01:27 PM #13: |
agravated assault
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HODL_Austin_Era 03/30/21 12:01:43 PM #14: |
What a twist.
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Venger2112 03/30/21 12:01:52 PM #15: |
lww99 posted...
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iPhone_7 03/30/21 12:01:56 PM #16: |
NeonOctopus posted...
lol now we see the true purpose of this topic --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Legato-and-Vash 03/30/21 12:02:45 PM #17: |
Lairen posted...
So if i put my knee on the back of someones neck while theyre on the floor but they technically died from something else.....Wow --- ~Sincerely yours, Legato and Vash~ Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/kid_prodigy23 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NoxObscuras 03/30/21 12:02:47 PM #18: |
Lairen posted...
So if i put my knee on the back of someones neck while theyre on the floor but they technically died from something else.....Ah... So that's what you were trying to do... Not the same. You know it, but I'm not sure you even care lol --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 | i9-10900K | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3600 | 4TB SSD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:03:43 PM #21: |
Wait, no, thats different!
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Shablagoo 03/30/21 12:03:52 PM #22: |
Lairen posted...
So if i put my knee on the back of someones neck while theyre on the floor but they technically died from something else..... Oh, is that what this topic is? It was 9 minutes of kneeling. Even if the legal cause of death was heart attack or whatever, have you considered that a full-grown man kneeling on a persons neck for 9 minutes might be likely to cause a heart attack? --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:04:49 PM #23: |
Shablagoo posted...
Oh, is that what this topic is? Yes! So that means..... --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePieReborn 03/30/21 12:05:11 PM #24: |
It is different. You clearly outlined the mental state in your hypothetical, which made it easy to track to attempted murder.
You did not do so in your attempt to analogize it to Chauvin. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:06:38 PM #25: |
ThePieReborn posted...
It is different. You clearly outlined the mental state in your hypothetical, which made it easy to track to attempted murder. During the entire 9 minutes i had my knee on his kneck, while many yelled at me, i had no intent to kill.... --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChrisTaka 03/30/21 12:07:55 PM #26: |
Would that be considered tampering with a crime scene? Or is it only legally considered a crime scene when authorities begin investigation?
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ThePieReborn 03/30/21 12:08:53 PM #29: |
Yes, other people thinking you are doing X does not necessarily mean that you are or intend to do X.
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Shablagoo 03/30/21 12:08:57 PM #30: |
Lairen posted...
Yes! So that means..... Oh ok, I get what youre saying now. Sorry for assuming ill intent. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SergeantGander 03/30/21 12:09:29 PM #31: |
Dang. TC pranked you guys
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:15:10 PM #32: |
Shablagoo posted...
Oh ok, I get what youre saying now. Sorry for assuming ill intent. This is the logic theyre splitting to get him off. You are saying that being on top of a mans neck on the floor didnt kill him so hes innocent but not that doing that caused what killed him. The most technical lawyer bs. The originals more grey but being that if not but for the person dying in their sleep, id definitely be the cause of death. To say im innocent is insane. --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Will_VIIII 03/30/21 12:16:03 PM #33: |
Shablagoo posted...
Oh ok, I get what youre saying now. Sorry for assuming ill intent. --- https://imgur.com/ZWNgMXL Formerly known as Villain ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:18:01 PM #34: |
This is as stupid as me hiring a hitman to kill and saying im innocent cause the cause of death is the hitman. If i didnt hire a hitman then hed not have killed.
If you didnt put your knee on his neck for 9 minutes.... --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 03/30/21 12:24:37 PM #35: |
Lairen posted...
This is as stupid as me hiring a hitman to kill and saying im innocent cause the cause of death is the hitman. If i didnt hire a hitman then hed not have killed. yeah but hiring a hitman is a crime ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:26:44 PM #36: |
Fam_Fam posted...
yeah but hiring a hitman is a crime So youre telling me that putting your knee on the back of someones neck on the street for 9 minutes is legal. --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePieReborn 03/30/21 12:29:06 PM #37: |
It isn't necessarily illegal depending upon the circumstances.
You keep attempting to analogize to things that are readily distinguishable because you only describe a blatant intent to kill in your attempted analogies. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:30:03 PM #38: |
ThePieReborn posted...
It isn't necessarily illegal depending upon the circumstances. What does banned mean? Cause its banned. --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NoxObscuras 03/30/21 12:30:17 PM #39: |
Lairen posted...
This is the logic theyre splitting to get him off.You really should have made your stance on this more clear from the beginning. I'm pretty sure a lot of people tagged you as something nasty after that bait and switch you did lol. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 | i9-10900K | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3600 | 4TB SSD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePieReborn 03/30/21 12:32:12 PM #40: |
Based on a quick search, it wasn't banned by the Minneapolis police department, and I haven't seen overriding authority from statute or regulation that would have been effective at the time of Floyd's death in custody.
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:35:22 PM #41: |
ThePieReborn posted...
Based on a quick search, it wasn't banned by the Minneapolis police department, and I haven't seen overriding authority from statute or regulation that would have been effective at the time of Floyd's death in custody. In Minneapolis, a law was introduced on 5 June banning choke holds and ordering other officers to intervene if a fellow officer is employing one But technically at the time it was "ok" Literally made it against the law because, you might have heard, someone died from it. --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePieReborn 03/30/21 12:36:08 PM #42: |
Yes, and that doesn't factor into it because we have an express prohibition on ex post facto laws.
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:38:20 PM #43: |
ThePieReborn posted...
Yes, and that doesn't factor into it because we have an express prohibition on ex post facto laws. But theyre literally observing it killed someone and making a law against it. And youre being charged with murdering someone by using it. So that means...... --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePieReborn 03/30/21 12:39:01 PM #44: |
Absolutely nothing, because again:
ThePieReborn posted... Yes, other people thinking you are doing X does not necessarily mean that you are or intend to do X. And we again return to the fact that your hypothetical attempted murder and hypothetical murder via an accomplice are inapposite to the facts and applicable case law and legal principles at play. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:40:52 PM #45: |
ThePieReborn posted...
Absolutely nothing, because again: You did X and X killed someone. So now we discuss just how guilty you are because you are not innocent. --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePieReborn 03/30/21 12:46:48 PM #46: |
And for the record, albeit no one ever listens to me anyway, my position is guilty of third degree murder.
However, I'm an attorney. I can recognize seeds that may sprout into reasonable doubt. If this were a bench trial, I'd be comfortable in betting on a finding of guilt for third degree murder. We have a jury, and a jury trial is always a crapshoot. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 03/30/21 12:51:32 PM #47: |
The unintentional killing of another through an eminently dangerous act committed with a depraved mind and without regard for human life
Well have to settle with this because lawyers can object intention all day long unless theres an insane amount of evidence showing intent. But everything else seems very obvious. --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 03/30/21 1:03:18 PM #48: |
Lairen posted...
So youre telling me that putting your knee on the back of someones neck on the street for 9 minutes is legal. guess we'll find out ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lairen 03/30/21 1:15:25 PM #49: |
Fam_Fam posted...
guess we'll find out It is now. So you want to be on the side defending something thats recognized as illegal now over this very incident? --- When it rains, it pours. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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