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lydiaquayle 04/07/21 2:40:02 PM #1:	A true 'libertarian' free market would want zero taxes, and zero government to enforce any laws. That would mean borders would have no practical meaning, as trade would occur on an individual level instead of collectively via the state. National militaries would give way to private or volunteer militias, and as national culture waned, we'd see the end of patriotism on the state level. As someone who believes in true capitalism, is this what you want ? --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952571658] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>A true 'libertarian' free market would want zero taxes, and zero government to enforce any laws. That would mean borders would have no practical meaning, as trade would occur on an individual level instead of collectively via the state. National militaries would give way to private or volunteer militias, and as national culture waned, we'd see the end of patriotism on the state level. As someone who believes in true capitalism, is this what you want ? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 04/07/21 2:41:18 PM #2:	The end goal of capitalism is one person wins all the money. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:952571705] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>The end goal of capitalism is one person wins all the money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 04/07/21 2:41:38 PM #3:	Not everyone who supports capitalism supports unfettered libertarian-style capitalism. --- [insert F word here] <cite>Trumble posted [p:952571719] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Not everyone who supports capitalism supports unfettered libertarian-style capitalism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 2:44:01 PM #4:	Trumble posted... Not everyone who supports capitalism supports unfettered libertarian-style capitalism. Mixed economy is not really genuine capitalism then, no? Capitalism with restrictions is, at the very least, an admission that capitalism is flawed. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952571784] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite> <quote>Not everyone who supports capitalism supports unfettered libertarian-style capitalism.</quote>Mixed economy is not really genuine capitalism then, no? Capitalism with restrictions is, at the very least, an admission that capitalism is flawed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fuming 04/07/21 2:45:41 PM #5:	The end goal is extinction <cite>fuming posted [p:952571851] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>The end goal is extinction </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xavier_On_High 04/07/21 2:47:18 PM #6:	But when those private militias get large enough they'll start to compete with each other for resources and you go back to having nation states. --- http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltnafhjcUz1qmxswbo1_500.gif <cite>Xavier_On_High posted [p:952571898] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>But when those private militias get large enough they'll start to compete with each other for resources and you go back to having nation states. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 04/07/21 2:50:04 PM #7:	lydiaquayle posted... Mixed economy is not really genuine capitalism then, no? Capitalism with restrictions is, at the very least, an admission that capitalism is flawed. This is a really bad argument. What is even your point? --- I try to laugh about it, hiding the tears in my eyes. <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:952572002] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>Mixed economy is not really genuine capitalism then, no? Capitalism with restrictions is, at the very least, an admission that capitalism is flawed.</quote> This is a really bad argument. What is even your point? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 2:52:53 PM #8:	Damn_Underscore posted... This is a really bad argument. Elaborate please. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952572080] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite> <quote>This is a really bad argument.</quote>Elaborate please. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 04/07/21 2:53:57 PM #9:	There is no "end goal." Capitalism is letting people own stuff instead of just the government. If someone has an idea for a personal computer they can create a company and sell it. They're not off in some gulag. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:952572122] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>There is no "end goal." Capitalism is letting people own stuff instead of just the government. If someone has an idea for a personal computer they can create a company and sell it. They're not off in some gulag. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaterLink 04/07/21 2:54:11 PM #10:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOt-086Q3NM --- https://imgur.com/TFF3Nn8 Joe Burrow, the legend <cite>WaterLink posted [p:952572134] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOt-086Q3NM </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AwesomeFawful 04/07/21 2:54:30 PM #11:	CyricZ posted... The end goal of capitalism is one person wins all the money. --- "Socialism is when the government does stuff, and it's more socialism the more stuff it does, and when it does a real lot of stuff, that's communism!" <cite>AwesomeFawful posted [p:952572145] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>The end goal of capitalism is one person wins all the money.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 04/07/21 2:55:20 PM #12:	Squall28 posted... There is no "end goal." Capitalism is letting people own stuff instead of just the government. If someone has an idea for a personal computer they can create a company and sell it. They're not off in some gulag. This <cite>coh posted [p:952572180] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>There is no "end goal." Capitalism is letting people own stuff instead of just the government. If someone has an idea for a personal computer they can create a company and sell it. They're not off in some gulag.</quote>This </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 2:56:19 PM #13:	Squall28 posted... Capitalism is letting people own stuff instead of just the government Ummm, plenty of economic systems do that. Like 99/100 economic systems do that. The only system that doesn't do that is pure state socialism. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952572210] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>Capitalism is letting people own stuff instead of just the government</quote>Ummm, plenty of economic systems do that. Like 99/100 economic systems do that. The only system that doesn't do that is pure state socialism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 04/07/21 2:56:43 PM #14:	lydiaquayle posted... Mixed economy is not really genuine capitalism then, no? Capitalism with restrictions is, at the very least, an admission that capitalism is flawed. Every possible economic system is "flawed" in the sense that human greed will always interfere. Doesn't matter what system you put in place, greed will always find a way to fuck it up unless carefully controlled. --- [insert F word here] <cite>Trumble posted [p:952572224] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>Mixed economy is not really genuine capitalism then, no? Capitalism with restrictions is, at the very least, an admission that capitalism is flawed.</quote>Every possible economic system is "flawed" in the sense that human greed will always interfere. Doesn't matter what system you put in place, greed will always find a way to fuck it up unless carefully controlled. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/07/21 2:57:35 PM #15:	CyricZ posted... The end goal of capitalism is one person wins all the money. Every economic and political system is just feudalism with the names of the rulers changed. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:952572254] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>The end goal of capitalism is one person wins all the money.</quote>Every economic and political system is just feudalism with the names of the rulers changed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 04/07/21 2:57:50 PM #16:	Trumble posted... Every possible economic system is "flawed" in the sense that human greed will always interfere. Doesn't matter what system you put in place, greed will always find a way to fuck it up unless carefully controlled. Bad news for everyone who thinks welol have utopia if we just abolish capitalism <cite>coh posted [p:952572263] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite> <quote>Every possible economic system is "flawed" in the sense that human greed will always interfere. Doesn't matter what system you put in place, greed will always find a way to fuck it up unless carefully controlled.</quote>Bad news for everyone who thinks welol have utopia if we just abolish capitalism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 2:58:59 PM #17:	coh posted... Bad news for everyone who thinks welol have utopia if we just abolish capitalism Most liberals believe in a mixed economy. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952572304] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>Bad news for everyone who thinks welol have utopia if we just abolish capitalism</quote>Most liberals believe in a mixed economy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 04/07/21 2:59:58 PM #18:	lydiaquayle posted... Elaborate please. Like I said, I dont know what your point is. I think pizza is a great food. But its really easy to make bad pizza, and for various reasons if I want pizza I wont make it myself, I definitely wont get it from a national chain like Dominos, I will only get it from a local restaurant. Does that mean I dont actually like pizza? Thats not the greatest comparison but it shows why your argument is bad. If your point is that regulated capitalism isnt true capitalism so therefore we should switch to socialism, its even worse. --- I try to laugh about it, hiding the tears in my eyes. <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:952572333] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>Elaborate please.</quote> Like I said, I dont know what your point is. I think pizza is a great food. But its really easy to make bad pizza, and for various reasons if I want pizza I wont make it myself, I definitely wont get it from a national chain like Dominos, I will only get it from a local restaurant. Does that mean I dont actually like pizza? Thats not the greatest comparison but it shows why your argument is bad. If your point is that regulated capitalism isnt true capitalism so therefore we should switch to socialism, its even worse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 3:00:36 PM #19:	Squall28 posted... There is no "end goal." Capitalism is letting people own stuff instead of just the government. As such, the end result will be open borders and no state militaries. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952572357] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>There is no "end goal." Capitalism is letting people own stuff instead of just the government.</quote>As such, the end result will be open borders and no state militaries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 04/07/21 3:01:37 PM #20:	lydiaquayle posted... Ummm, plenty of economic systems do that. Like 99/100 economic systems do that. The only system that doesn't do that is pure state socialism. Those economic systems recognized capitalism is the best foundation. The ones who didn't recognize it aren't doing well. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:952572393] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>Ummm, plenty of economic systems do that. Like 99/100 economic systems do that. The only system that doesn't do that is pure state socialism.</quote> Those economic systems recognized capitalism is the best foundation. The ones who didn't recognize it aren't doing well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 04/07/21 3:02:04 PM #21:	Trumble posted... Every possible economic system is "flawed" in the sense that human greed will always interfere. Doesn't matter what system you put in place, greed will always find a way to fuck it up unless carefully controlled. this is maybe 70% of the way to being a decent thesis statement for a very long paper. you're gonna need a hell of a lot of argumentation and evidence to demonstrate it though --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:952572414] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite> <quote>Every possible economic system is "flawed" in the sense that human greed will always interfere. Doesn't matter what system you put in place, greed will always find a way to fuck it up unless carefully controlled.</quote>this is maybe 70% of the way to being a decent thesis statement for a very long paper. you're gonna need a hell of a lot of argumentation and evidence to demonstrate it though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 04/07/21 3:03:32 PM #22:	lydiaquayle posted... As such, the end result will be open borders and no state militaries. In what way, what is your argument? I don't understand. Even in a world with no federal taxes there's probably going to end up being a military and border security, it'll just be privatized. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:952572475] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>As such, the end result will be open borders and no state militaries.</quote>In what way, what is your argument? I don't understand. Even in a world with no federal taxes there's probably going to end up being a military and border security, it'll just be privatized. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 3:04:00 PM #23:	Damn_Underscore posted... I think pizza is a great food. But its really easy to make bad pizza, and for various reasons if I want pizza I wont make it myself, I definitely wont get it from a national chain like Dominos, I will only get it from a local restaurant. Does that mean I dont actually like pizza? You're comparing a generic food that can be served by millions of different actors. I am referring to pure capitalism in its final form, as described by those who claim that the best market is an un-regulated one. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952572489] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite> <quote>I think pizza is a great food. But its really easy to make bad pizza, and for various reasons if I want pizza I wont make it myself, I definitely wont get it from a national chain like Dominos, I will only get it from a local restaurant. Does that mean I dont actually like pizza?</quote>You're comparing a generic food that can be served by millions of different actors. I am referring to pure capitalism in its final form, as described by those who claim that the best market is an un-regulated one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/07/21 3:04:33 PM #24:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Even in a world with no federal taxes there's probably going to end up being a military and border security, it'll just be privatized. Gated-community-states <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:952572515] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Even in a world with no federal taxes there's probably going to end up being a military and border security, it'll just be privatized.</quote>Gated-community-states </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 3:04:50 PM #25:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Even in a world with no federal taxes there's probably going to end up being a military and border security, it'll just be privatized. Whose borders? --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952572523] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Even in a world with no federal taxes there's probably going to end up being a military and border security, it'll just be privatized.</quote>Whose borders? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 04/07/21 3:05:15 PM #26:	lydiaquayle posted... Whose borders? Whoever pays. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:952572537] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>Whose borders?</quote>Whoever pays. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 04/07/21 3:05:50 PM #27:	Trumble posted... Not everyone who supports capitalism supports unfettered libertarian-style capitalism. there are even strains of libertarianism that don't support unfettered libertarian-style capitalism --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:952572557] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite> <quote>Not everyone who supports capitalism supports unfettered libertarian-style capitalism.</quote> there are even strains of libertarianism that don't support unfettered libertarian-style capitalism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 04/07/21 3:06:09 PM #28:	averagejoel posted... this is maybe 70% of the way to being a decent thesis statement for a very long paper. you're gonna need a hell of a lot of argumentation and evidence to demonstrate it though Not really. Maybe you're an exception to the rule, but most people have at least a general understanding of what's going on in the world today and historically. --- [insert F word here] <cite>Trumble posted [p:952572571] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>this is maybe 70% of the way to being a decent thesis statement for a very long paper. you're gonna need a hell of a lot of argumentation and evidence to demonstrate it though</quote>Not really. Maybe you're an exception to the rule, but most people have at least a general understanding of what's going on in the world today and historically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 3:06:27 PM #29:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Whoever pays. So no set borders. As market fluctuates constantly, then borders would constantly fluctuate on a daily basis, making them obsolete. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952572583] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Whoever pays.</quote>So no set borders. As market fluctuates constantly, then borders would constantly fluctuate on a daily basis, making them obsolete. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescente 04/07/21 3:08:14 PM #30:	In a perfect world, this no borders and no national militaries could work, but this isn't a perfect world. It runs on lies, greed, and sometimes survival. People are also stupid, so you can't rely on your neighbors all the time. People need a government to control things and to create infrastructure. No taxes means no state or federal roads, no hospitals, no public education, and much more. You'd have to rely on the community-run incentives. How would that even work? It'd be open field for greedy people to take over and do things their own way, and if you don't like it, they'd enforce it with their militias. Then you would need your own militia and it would be just chaos. With trade, all of the big corporations would be in heaven as they would monopolize everything and you'd have nothing for the little guys. There's a reason why government intervene and prevent monopolies from happening. <cite>Crescente posted [p:952572642] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>In a perfect world, this no borders and no national militaries could work, but this isn't a perfect world. It runs on lies, greed, and sometimes survival. People are also stupid, so you can't rely on your neighbors all the time. People need a government to control things and to create infrastructure. No taxes means no state or federal roads, no hospitals, no public education, and much more. You'd have to rely on the community-run incentives. How would that even work? It'd be open field for greedy people to take over and do things their own way, and if you don't like it, they'd enforce it with their militias. Then you would need your own militia and it would be just chaos. With trade, all of the big corporations would be in heaven as they would monopolize everything and you'd have nothing for the little guys. There's a reason why government intervene and prevent monopolies from happening. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 3:08:20 PM #31:	Questionmarktarius posted... Gated-community-states That's still government, haha. As it requires collective agreement enforced by law. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952572645] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Gated-community-states</quote>That's still government, haha. As it requires collective agreement enforced by law. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 04/07/21 3:08:46 PM #32:	Trumble posted... Not really. yes really. you made an extraordinary claim and have not provided evidence. Maybe you're an exception to the rule, but most people have at least a general understanding of what's going on in the world today and historically. I don't know if that's true, and I don't care. you did not provide sufficient evidence for your claim --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:952572663] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite> <quote>Not really. </quote>yes really. you made an extraordinary claim and have not provided evidence. <quote>Maybe you're an exception to the rule, but most people have at least a general understanding of what's going on in the world today and historically.</quote>I don't know if that's true, and I don't care. you did not provide sufficient evidence for your claim </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 04/07/21 3:09:53 PM #33:	lydiaquayle posted... I am referring to pure capitalism in its final form, as described by those who claim that the best market is an un-regulated one. Not everyone who supports capitalism supports laissez-faire capitalism. In fact I think there are very few that do if youre talking about absolutely no government involvement. --- I try to laugh about it, hiding the tears in my eyes. <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:952572710] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>I am referring to pure capitalism in its final form, as described by those who claim that the best market is an un-regulated one.</quote> Not everyone who supports capitalism supports laissez-faire capitalism. In fact I think there are very few that do if youre talking about absolutely no government involvement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 3:11:50 PM #34:	Damn_Underscore posted... Not everyone who supports capitalism supports laissez-faire capitalism. Well in that case, most capitalists support some kind of socialism as well, then? As not everyone who supports socialism supports complete state-owned collective socialism. So basically 99% of capitalists, and 99% of socialists simply believe in a mixed economy. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952572789] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite> <quote>Not everyone who supports capitalism supports laissez-faire capitalism.</quote>Well in that case, most capitalists support some kind of socialism as well, then? As not everyone who supports socialism supports complete state-owned collective socialism. So basically 99% of capitalists, and 99% of socialists simply believe in a mixed economy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 04/07/21 3:12:24 PM #35:	Yeah, only an extremely small subset of libertarians believe in unfettered capitalism. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:952572813] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, only an extremely small subset of libertarians believe in unfettered capitalism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 04/07/21 3:12:44 PM #36:	averagejoel posted... yes really. you made an extraordinary claim and have not provided evidence. Imagine thinking that the claim there was "extraordinary" when it's been backed up time and time again throughout human history in, well, basically every economy that's existed. EDIT: Ah fuck, just noticed who exactly I'm talking to here. >_> --- [insert F word here] <cite>Trumble posted [p:952572822] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>yes really. you made an extraordinary claim and have not provided evidence.</quote>Imagine thinking that the claim there was "extraordinary" when it's been backed up time and time again throughout human history in, well, basically every economy that's existed. EDIT: Ah fuck, just noticed who exactly I'm talking to here. >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 04/07/21 3:14:26 PM #37:	lydiaquayle posted... Well in that capitalists supports socialism as well, then? You going by the Republican attack ads standard that the government doing things is socialism? Edit to respond your edit: I think the definition of regulated/welfare capitalism is distinct from the definition of a mixed economy. But otherwise yes, most people who support capitalism support regulated capitalism (and I guess most people who support socialism dont think possessions should be banned, etc.) --- I try to laugh about it, hiding the tears in my eyes. <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:952572887] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>Well in that capitalists supports socialism as well, then?</quote> You going by the Republican attack ads standard that the government doing things is socialism? Edit to respond your edit: I think the definition of regulated/welfare capitalism is distinct from the definition of a mixed economy. But otherwise yes, most people who support capitalism support regulated capitalism (and I guess most people who support socialism dont think possessions should be banned, etc.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 04/07/21 3:15:32 PM #38:	lydiaquayle posted... Well in that case, most capitalists support some kind of socialism as well, then? As not everyone who supports socialism supports complete state-owned collective socialism. So basically 99% of capitalists, and 99% of socialists simply believe in a mixed economy. Sounds good. Stop whining about capitalism then. Thanks --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:952572926] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>Well in that case, most capitalists support some kind of socialism as well, then? As not everyone who supports socialism supports complete state-owned collective socialism. So basically 99% of capitalists, and 99% of socialists simply believe in a mixed economy.</quote> Sounds good. Stop whining about capitalism then. Thanks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 3:16:28 PM #39:	Squall28 posted... Sounds good. Stop whining about capitalism then. When did I do that? --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952572956] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>Sounds good. Stop whining about capitalism then.</quote>When did I do that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 04/07/21 3:16:40 PM #40:	lydiaquayle posted... So no set borders. As market fluctuates constantly, then borders would constantly fluctuate on a daily basis, making them obsolete. No. What you're describing is a hyper competitive Robocop dystopia where corporations control everything. Nobody really wants that. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:952572968] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>So no set borders. As market fluctuates constantly, then borders would constantly fluctuate on a daily basis, making them obsolete.</quote> No. What you're describing is a hyper competitive Robocop dystopia where corporations control everything. Nobody really wants that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 04/07/21 3:17:26 PM #41:	lydiaquayle posted... Well in that case, most capitalists support some kind of socialism as well, then? No, because socialists and capitalists have different views on who owns the means of production. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:952572993] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>Well in that case, most capitalists support some kind of socialism as well, then?</quote>No, because socialists and capitalists have different views on who owns the means of production. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 3:17:47 PM #42:	Gobstoppers12 posted... No. What you're describing is a hyper competitive Robocop dystopia where corporations control everything. Nobody really wants that. That's what capitalism, in it fullest form, would probably want, though. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952573006] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>No. What you're describing is a hyper competitive Robocop dystopia where corporations control everything. Nobody really wants that.</quote>That's what capitalism, in it fullest form, would probably want, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TerraSeeker 04/07/21 3:18:06 PM #43:	Well we have nations, so no. That's not practical or going to happen. --- Your words are as empty as your soul <cite>TerraSeeker posted [p:952573015] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>Well we have nations, so no. That's not practical or going to happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 3:18:48 PM #44:	RustyFerret posted... No, because socialists and capitalists have different views on who owns the means of production. Well, both socialists and some capitalists agree that the government should own some portion of the means for producing national security and policing, correct? --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952573041] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>RustyFerret posted... </cite> <quote>No, because socialists and capitalists have different views on who owns the means of production.</quote>Well, both socialists and some capitalists agree that the government should own some portion of the means for producing national security and policing, correct? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 04/07/21 3:20:25 PM #45:	lydiaquayle posted... That's what capitalism, in it fullest form, would probably want, though. This is why it's pointless to argue about the extremes. Obviously extreme libertarian views will lead to the collapse of our society as we know it. Show me a normal person who actually wants this to happen, though. It's a fringe ideology, and it's generous to say even that. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:952573105] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>That's what capitalism, in it fullest form, would probably want, though.</quote> This is why it's pointless to argue about the extremes. Obviously extreme libertarian views will lead to the collapse of our society as we know it. Show me a normal person who actually wants this to happen, though. It's a fringe ideology, and it's generous to say even that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 04/07/21 3:25:09 PM #46:	lydiaquayle posted... Well, both socialists and some capitalists agree that the government should own some portion of the means for producing national security and policing, correct? I think calling those things socialism is disingenuous considering these things existed pre-socialism and are necessary for the existence of a nation. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:952573272] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite> <quote>Well, both socialists and some capitalists agree that the government should own some portion of the means for producing national security and policing, correct?</quote>I think calling those things socialism is disingenuous considering these things existed pre-socialism and are necessary for the existence of a nation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 04/07/21 3:28:23 PM #47:	RustyFerret posted... I think calling those things socialism is disingenuous considering these things existed pre-socialism and are necessary for the existence of a nation. I agree, and that also applies to elements of capitalism. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:952573400] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>RustyFerret posted... </cite> <quote>I think calling those things socialism is disingenuous considering these things existed pre-socialism and are necessary for the existence of a nation.</quote>I agree, and that also applies to elements of capitalism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 04/07/21 3:31:39 PM #48:	I think its fair to say that if someone (from America) says they support socialism, that alone is not enough to know if they support the current US economy but with more regulations and social programs, or if they actually support socialism. --- I try to laugh about it, hiding the tears in my eyes. <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:952573520] in Wouldn't t... [t:79392862]...</cite> <quote>I think its fair to say that if someone (from America) says they support socialism, that alone is not enough to know if they support the current US economy but with more regulations and social programs, or if they actually support socialism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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