Current Events > Bill to study paying reperations wil be considered by house judiciary committee

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1380883264152346634?s=19

baby steps, but I'm happy to see SOME progress on one of the more obvious policies that should be enacted.

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Were considering studying this. So brave. So bold.

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FrisbeeDude posted...

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1380883264152346634?s=19

baby steps, but I'm happy to see SOME progress on one of the more obvious policies that should be enacted.

Why should this be enacted? I'm not racist, but there is not a single black person alive today either has been or has ever known a slave

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AlBundy33 posted...

Why should this be enacted? I'm not racist, but there is not a single black person alive today either has been or has ever known a slave

First off, thats not true at all. It is possible to have an elderly person today have a grandparent that was born into slavery. It wasnt that long ago.

Secondly, slavery and the following decades after prevented slaves and their descendants from building generational wealth while others were able to do so using the labor of those slaves.

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I thought this was what affirmative action was for.

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Im skeptical but generally supportive. Any questions I have I assume are being looked into by people smarter than me. >_>

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ghettoraider81 posted...

First off, thats not true at all. It is possible to have an elderly person today have a grandparent that was born into slavery. It wasnt that long ago.

Secondly, slavery and the following decades after prevented slaves and their descendants from building generational wealth while others were able to do so using the labor of those slaves.

Slavery ended 155 years ago, you'd have to find an elderly black person who is in at least their 80s, and would have had to have been around when their grandparents were around, which would have made them over 100, let's say you had a black person who was a slave in 1860, and they were 14, that would have made them born in 1846, by the time their grandchildren were born, they would have been 94 years old, seeing as how an 80 year old black person would have been born in 1940

Your second point is also false, there is nothing stopping people of color from being millionaires today

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AlBundy33 posted...

Why should this be enacted? I'm not racist, but there is not a single black person alive today either has been or has ever known a slave

When you start off like this, all it tells me is that you're either unwilling or incapable of having this discussion in good faith

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AlBundy33 posted...

Slavery ended 155 years ago, you'd have to find an elderly black person who is in at least their 80s, and would have had to have been around when their grandparents were around, which would have made them over 100, let's say you had a black person who was a slave in 1860, and they were 14, that would have made them born in 1846, by the time their grandchildren were born, they would have been 94 years old, seeing as how an 80 year old black person would have been born in 1940

Your second point is also false, there is nothing stopping people of color from being millionaires today

Slavery was abolished in 1865. Someone born into slavery in 1860 would be 5 years old when it was abolished.

Someone 80 years old now would have been born in 1941, and 5 in 1946.

It is very possible for that person to know an 86 year old relative that was a slave when they were 5 years old.

And if you dont understand the concept of generation wealth and how much of it was built on the unpaid labor of slaves, nothing I can say will ever help.


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FrisbeeDude posted...

When you start off like this, all it tells me is that you're either unwilling or incapable of having this discussion in good faith

There is no discussion to be had, reparations are a dumb idea every way you look at it, I guarantee it'll cause protest because not every person of color would get them, not everyone's ancestors were slaves

And what about my ancestors? They were slaves, and I'm white, so where's my reparations?

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fhqwhgads posted...

I thought this was what affirmative action was for.

you mean the thing utilized by white women the most?

https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action


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AlBundy33 posted...

There is no discussion to be had, reparations are a dumb idea every way you look at it, I guarantee it'll cause protest because not every person of color would get them, not everyone's ancestors were slaves

And what about my ancestors? They were slaves, and I'm white, so where's my reparations?

cool, bro


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FrisbeeDude posted...

cool, bro

Translation: I can't think of a good argument why reparations are a good idea

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ok

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It goes beyond slavery though, even free black Americans had their own designated water fountains and bathrooms until the 1960s, they weren't slaves, but were still treated like garbage and inferior to even share a toilet with a white person. Same with Sundown towns, where if a black person had to leave certain towns before the sun went down or the police were welcome to hang them from a tree for existing and being in a "white town." It STILL goes on in back woods redneck hick Southern states.

The ongoing treatment of them being shit on the white man's shoe went deep into our nation's history, and long after the slaves were freed. It's sickening. I support this concept entirely.

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AlBundy33 posted...

Why should this be enacted? I'm not racist, but there is not a single black person alive today either has been or has ever known a slave

This is much deeper than slavery, this country has stolen wealth from black people for centuries. It didn't just stop at slavery, which lasted 250 years, it is also about what happened afterwards with Jim Crow which lasted another 100 years, Black Codes, peonage, redlining, share cropping, etc. Many of the thousands of lynching victims were successful business owners and land owners.

The idea of reparations is recompense for the policies enacted and enabled by the government, and the local, state and Federal governments are all culpable.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

It goes beyond slavery though, even free black Americans had their own designated water fountains and bathrooms until the 1960s, they weren't slaves, but were still treated like garbage and inferior to even share a toilet with a white person. Same with Sundown towns, where if a black person had to leave certain towns before the sun went down or the police were welcome to hang them from a tree for existing and being in a "white town." It STILL goes on in back woods redneck hick Southern states.

The ongoing treatment of them being shit on the white man's shoe went deep into our nation's history, and long after the slaves were freed. It's sickening. I support this concept entirely.

This country had legal segregation/discrimination not even 50 years ago. People dont realize how wild that is


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As well intentioned as reparations would be and is by most people who support it

All this will do is be the equivalent of throwing a fucking Fuel-Air Bomb into the largest oil well on the planet.

You think racial tensions in America are bad now? Tell the racist white folks that all the "blacks" will be getting free money for being black.

You're going to see a hundred fucking Trayvon Martin's and George Floyd's effectively overnight.

"I KNEW ALL GODDAMNED ALONG IT WAS ENTIRELY ABOUT FUCKING SKIN COLOR! IF IT'S ABOUT SKIN COLOR THEN FUCK THEM [redacted]!"

I can appreciate the intentions but it's going to have horrific outcomes.

MachineJaipur posted...

As well intentioned as reparations would be and is by most people who support it

All this will do is be the equivalent of throwing a fucking Fuel-Air Bomb into the largest oil well on the planet.

You think racial tensions in America are bad now? Tell the racist white folks that all the "blacks" will be getting free money for being black.

You're going to see a hundred fucking Trayvon Martin's and George Floyd's effectively overnight.

"I KNEW ALL GODDAMNED ALONG IT WAS ENTIRELY ABOUT FUCKING SKIN COLOR! IF IT'S ABOUT SKIN COLOR THEN FUCK THEM [redacted]!"

I can appreciate the intentions but it's going to have horrific outcomes.

Racists dont get to hold equality hostage. They wanna "rise up" at debts being paid? let law enforcement deal with them. Law enforcement wont do it? Send in the military.


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MachineJaipur posted...

As well intentioned as reparations would be and is by most people who support it

All this will do is be the equivalent of throwing a fucking Fuel-Air Bomb into the largest oil well on the planet.

You think racial tensions in America are bad now? Tell the racist white folks that all the "blacks" will be getting free money for being black.

You're going to see a hundred fucking Trayvon Martin's and George Floyd's effectively overnight.

"I KNEW ALL GODDAMNED ALONG IT WAS ENTIRELY ABOUT FUCKING SKIN COLOR! IF IT'S ABOUT SKIN COLOR THEN FUCK THEM [redacted]!"

I can appreciate the intentions but it's going to have horrific outcomes.

It wouldn't be worse than the violence that occurred during the Civil Rights Movement. Most white Americans thought that black Americans were asking for too much back then, even in the heat of Jim Crow.

The US government has dispersed reparations to other groups decades after injustices.

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FrisbeeDude posted...

Racists dont get to hold equality hostage. They wanna "rise up" at debts being paid? let law enforcement deal with them. Law enforcement wont do it? Send in the military.

But you see, it won't be organized. It'll be random one off events but frequent enough to be devastating. Not big enough to involve the military but large enough for police forces to have a hard time combating.

Also if you sent the military in against them, you'd only serve to further victimize them in their minds. "EVEN THE GODDAMNED GOVERNMENT IS AFTER ME. GODDAMNED [redacted] RUINING EVERYTHING FOR THE WHITE MAN AGAIN"

And no amount of education or explaining will get the actual racists to understand and it won't stop them from turning the disinformation campaigns up to 1100 and recruiting more and more otherwise normal people into their causes.

Its well intentioned but I don't see any world where it goes over well for all involved parties. It isn't that we should let them hold equality hostage but this isn't the way.

But also I feel that once you pay the "debt" the non-violent non-insane racists will all of sudden be like "what you complaining about [redacted]? You got your fucking money. Shut the fuck up and stop bitching about having it hard because us (poor) white folks have had it worse than you for a long time"

AlBundy33 posted...

And what about my ancestors? They were slaves, and I'm white, so where's my reparations?

And there it is. It always comes down to jealousy. LOL.

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

And there it is. It always comes down to jealousy. LOL.

I'm not jealous at all, I won't get anything, and neither will anyone else, because this wouldn't pass anyway

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MachineJaipur posted...

As well intentioned as reparations would be and is by most people who support it

All this will do is be the equivalent of throwing a fucking Fuel-Air Bomb into the largest oil well on the planet.

You think racial tensions in America are bad now? Tell the racist white folks that all the "blacks" will be getting free money for being black.

You're going to see a hundred fucking Trayvon Martin's and George Floyd's effectively overnight.

"I KNEW ALL GODDAMNED ALONG IT WAS ENTIRELY ABOUT FUCKING SKIN COLOR! IF IT'S ABOUT SKIN COLOR THEN FUCK THEM [redacted]!"

I can appreciate the intentions but it's going to have horrific outcomes.

The vast majority of Americans are against reperations, racism has nothing to do with it for most people.

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AlBundy33 posted...

I'm not jealous at all, I won't get anything, and neither will anyone else, because this wouldn't pass anyway

Where were they slaves? Was it the US?

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

And there it is. It always comes down to jealousy. LOL.

But his point does stand though.

Either you have to prove that your ancestors were slaves, which would create INSANE division in Black communities and cause even more violence within their own communities, or you cut a check to everyone based on their skin color, regardless of if their ancestors were ever enslaved. If you're still going with it ostensibly being about "reparations for slavery" and not "reparations for all the suppression the Black/POC community as a whole has suffered"

At the end of the day, there is no scenario where paying reparations doesn't end in somebody dying as a result of it.

AlBundy33 posted...

I'm not jealous at all, I won't get anything, and neither will anyone else, because this wouldn't pass anyway

You pretty much said "my ancestors suffered and I won't get free money so they shouldn't either."

What if you did get reparations? Would you accept black people getting reparations then?

Or what if you got reparations and they didn't? Would you care? Or just be happy with your money?

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Eh I'd consider this a step back.

Whenever they say they're going to form a committee to look into something, it's always their polite way of saying fuck off we already decided we will never consider this.

Reparations should absolutely be given to descendants of slaves and individuals that suffered from Jim Crow and the events of the civil rights movement. Anyone that has been handicapped by the government because of their race should receive compensation. I wouldn't have an issue if they did the same for Native Americans, Chinese and Mexican people that had similar treatment.

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Taharqa_ posted...

The US government has dispersed reparations to other groups decades after injustices.

So, go back to redlining and blockbusting, which is vastly more recent and has a more substantial paper trail.

The government brought Crack into the black community to destabilize the shit out of us. Then ran anti drug campaigns as though it was our fault we didn't "just say no" until white suburbia recently got hit with a drug epidemic a few years ago that made it legit. We fought Jim crow laws for like a century. They burned down black wall street. We still haven't recovered from what America has done, it's been one step forward then thirty feet back while running from dogs and hoses and gunfire.

All while America got rich off our cheap labor and suffering. Black people put America on the map in more ways then one, America owes us all for all the bullshit, it ain't just about slavery.

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MachineJaipur posted...

But his point does stand though.

Either you have to prove that your ancestors were slaves, which would create INSANE division in Black communities and cause even more violence within their own communities, or you cut a check to everyone based on their skin color, regardless of if their ancestors were ever enslaved. If you're still going with it ostensibly being about "reparations for slavery" and not "reparations for all the suppression the Black/POC community as a whole has suffered"

At the end of the day, there is no scenario where paying reparations doesn't end in somebody dying as a result of it.

https://guides.library.umass.edu/reparations

I doubt all hell would break loose if reparations are paid. It's not difficult to find out who is descended from American chattel slavery and most black immigrants came to the states after the 60s. If anything American reparations to African-Americans would spark a reparations movement across the diaspora to the various European powers that financially benefitted from slavery and exclusion of black people from wealth accumulation, in addition to colonialism.

You can't imagine an America without slavery (and the wealth that it accumulated as a result), and the subsequent discrimination against African-Americans reinforced by the government for generations afterwards. There needs to be recompense.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

The government brought Crack into the black community to destabilize the shit out of us. Then ran anti drug campaigns as though it was our fault we didn't "just say no" until white suburbia recently got hit with a drug epidemic a few years ago that made it legit. We fought Jim crow laws for like a century. They burned down black wall street. We still haven't recovered from what America has done, it's been one step forward then thirty feet back while running from dogs and hoses and gunfire.

All while America got rich off our cheap labor and suffering. Black people put America on the map in more ways then one, America owes us all for all the bullshit, it ain't just about slavery.

On top of this, they're about to have these folks making money off of us with this marijuana legalization and we'll still have many men and women with posession and selling on their records, keeping them from many jobs.

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what about white slaves, how do they fit in?

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A study about having a study

skermac posted...

what about white slaves, how do they fit in?

Which ones? You talking about sex slaves or white people that were slaves?

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skermac posted...

what about white slaves, how do they fit in?

White men weren't born into slavery. Nor were they as a people taken from across the sea to be servents solely because they were white.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

White men weren't born into slavery. Nor were they as a people taken from across the sea to be servents solely because they were white.

so how did whites become slaves?

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skermac posted...

so how did whites become slaves?

You mean indentured servants? White people didn't have generational chattel slavery in this country.

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MachineJaipur posted...

But you see, it won't be organized. It'll be random one off events but frequent enough to be devastating. Not big enough to involve the military but large enough for police forces to have a hard time combating.

Also if you sent the military in against them, you'd only serve to further victimize them in their minds. "EVEN THE GODDAMNED GOVERNMENT IS AFTER ME. GODDAMNED [redacted] RUINING EVERYTHING FOR THE WHITE MAN AGAIN"

And no amount of education or explaining will get the actual racists to understand and it won't stop them from turning the disinformation campaigns up to 1100 and recruiting more and more otherwise normal people into their causes.

Its well intentioned but I don't see any world where it goes over well for all involved parties. It isn't that we should let them hold equality hostage but this isn't the way.

Let them fuck around and find out. Not rectifying past wrongs because you are afraid of how ignorant racist fucks will react is essentially giving the ignorant racist fucks what they want.

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skermac posted...

so how did whites become slaves?

Crimes committed led to indentured servitude to pay off the crime. Totally different to legit slavery.

And prisoners of war leading to slavery is a separate thing entirely. And that's hardly a thing that booming industry's and civilized countries are attempting to bring back or prop up.

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White people weren't slaves they were indentured servants who received land and freedom after their indenture

During the Pre Civil War days 90% of Black Americans were slaves with rights equivalent to being the same status as property

Even as indentured servants White people were seen as humans. The treatement they suffered was nothing like what was done to Black people

I don't want handouts. My conservative grandpa worked hard as a construction foreman for over 30 years, and my family was built on the back of his hard work. I studied hard in school and got a career as a programmer. People who spend 20 years working at Walmart have no one to blame but themselves for not making it big.

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MachineJaipur posted...

the non-violent non-insane racists

All 0 of them

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

I don't want handouts. My conservative grandpa worked hard as a construction foreman for over 30 years, and my family was built on the back of his hard work. I studied hard in school and got a career as a programmer. People who spend 20 years working at Walmart have no one to blame but themselves for not making it big.

Irrelevant

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Tyranthraxus posted...

All 0 of them

You'd be surprised how many casual racists there are in the world.

MachineJaipur posted...

You'd be surprised how many casual racists there are in the world.

No casual racist exists who would suddenly become violent and insane if they weren't before.

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