Current Events > Dark Souls and its kin are not harmed by an easy mode

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Prismsblade posted...

May hurt the pvp scene.

Make the easy mode no pvp.

I don't know why people are still whining about this, the devs aren't going to add an easy mode so the discussion is over. Devs can make the game however they want to, people bitching about the game not having an easy mode isn't going to change their mind. But CE gonna CE and continue to beat a dead horse for some stupid reason.

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philsov posted...

new game+ exists in the Souls-verse. It's nothing fancy, just some % mods on the baddies regarding their health and damage output.

Putting a negative sign in the front of that equation is an easy task.

It would completely trivilize the game. The whole game is built around enemies that are slow, but hard hitting, similar to re 4. If you make it so the enemies are slow but weak hitting the game will no longer be any fun, since there will be no danger and the game will be just a walking simulator

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

If I'm being honest, the lack of a pause button is more offputting to me than the lack of an easy mode

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I best ever souls game multiple times. Idc about easy mode fine sure toss it in

But it's fucking inexcusable to not have a pause button during offline play. No, it did not ruin sekiro. Add a pause button

Mr_Karate_II posted...

the devs aren't going to add an easy mode so the discussion is over.

At first you could tell they laughed at people who wanted this, and then just did the opposite. By now this is long beyond well beaten dead horse, and I'm sure Miyazaki looks at these people with genuine concern for their unhealthy obsession.

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Callimbmachus posted...

This this this this this this

I best ever souls game multiple times. Idc about easy mode fine sure toss it in

But it's fucking inexcusable to not have a pause button during offline play. No, it did not ruin sekiro. Add a pause button

Yeah right bro, pausing the game is a reward! You want to pause it you get to the bonfire!

but yeah i dont get it. If im offline let me pause.

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DragonClaw01 posted...

since there will be no danger

Sniping things with magic+bow exists on normal difficulty, to great effect, and the game is still fun.
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BlackJackCat posted...

At first you could tell they laughed at people who wanted this, and then just did the opposite. By now this is a long beyond well beaten dead horse, and I'm sure Miyazaki looks at these people with genuine concern for their unhealthy obsession.

I don't get why some people AKA casuals can't accept that every game isn't going to be for them.

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Mr_Karate_II posted...

I don't get why some people AKA casuals can't accept that every game isn't going to be for them.

They can. The problem is that it very easily could be for them, and there's no good reason for the devs not to do it.

Also, using casuals in any sort of derogatory way kills any credibility you might have had.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

They can. The problem is that it very easily could be for them, and there's no good reason for the devs not to do it.

I think "their game their vision" is a good enough reason even tho I agree with the topic title

Mr_Karate_II posted...

I don't get why some people AKA casuals can't accept that every game isn't going to be for them.

Like I get want for it. They want to experience the game while not being able to invest the time. Except that doesn't work for souls. There's a great story but it's hidden in exploration and it's not handed to you. The difficulty is part of the experience that From wanted with the game.

For story-based games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Uncharted, etc it works because you can enjoy the story without needing the skill or time invested into the game.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

They can. The problem is that it very easily could be for them, and there's no good reason for the devs not to do it.

Can you prove this?

Like can you prove that the games have been detrimentally impacted by being the way they are right now with sales numbers?

We already know the answer to that, don't be silly now.

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Also why aren't certain playsthles considered easy mode? Like tank tower shield builds

Callimbmachus posted...

I think "their game their vision" is a good enough reason even tho I agree with the topic title

It's not. They are free to not add it, but people that judge them for not doing it are right to do so.

Callimbmachus posted...

Also why aren't certain playsthles considered easy mode? Like tank tower shield builds

Being able to cheeseball through a game doesn't count, for some reason.

Callimbmachus posted...

Also why aren't certain playsthles considered easy mode? Like tank tower shield builds

because easy mode to them is running through with speed and strength and not taking damage.

Then the bosses die in 3 hits.

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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

You dont understand how being able to tank hits as the best way to beat enemies would change the game?

Yeah, it'd be easy which is the goal
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DragonClaw01 posted...

It would completely trivilize the game. The whole game is built around enemies that are slow, but hard hitting, similar to re 4. If you make it so the enemies are slow but weak hitting the game will no longer be any fun, since there will be no danger and the game will be just a walking simulator

Resident Evil 4 also has an easy mode and it didn't ruin the game

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

It's not. They are free to not add it, but people that judge them for not doing it are right to do so.

That's not what I was commenting on. I'm just saying the devs have a vision and put out a game to match. So regardless of your weird and underdeveloped ability to put yourself in the mind space of another, they have a good enough reason.

You've spent 20 years here touting your and only your views as inarguable fact, and dismissing all others' with "nope". I hope it's an act a la JustMyOpinion

Questionmarktarius posted...

Being able to cheeseball through a game doesn't count, for some reason.

I4NRulez posted...

because easy mode to them is running through with speed and strength and not taking damage.

Then the bosses die in 3 hits.

Ok but like I'm genuinely wondering why it doesn't count as easy mode

BlackJackCat posted...

Can you prove this?

Like can you prove that the games have been detrimentally impacted by being the way they are right now with sales numbers?

We already know the answer to that, don't be silly now.

By not being an idiot, yes. There's a solid enough amount of people complaining about this that we can make a reasonable assumption that sales would increase if this were an option.

They need a super ultra hard mode too

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Callimbmachus posted...

Also why aren't certain playsthles considered easy mode? Like tank tower shield builds

1. build mage
2. win game

Works for DeS and Dark Souls at least. Bloodborne is a different beast entirely. :)

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I want them to also spend time and resources making an omega level mode and a mode where I cannot die

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Callimbmachus posted...

Ok but like I'm genuinely wondering why it doesn't count as easy mode

idk, you can also just summon people but that doesn't count to them either.

These topics pop up all the time. They essentially want it to be Summons, but no invasions. Weaker enemies, stronger hits. Bosses are easy.

But it goes against what From has said they want Souls games to be.

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I4NRulez posted...

idk, you can also just summon people but that doesn't count to them either.

To be fair, summoning is very unreliable as a way to make the game easy.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

By not being an idiot, yes. There's a solid enough amount of people complaining about this that we can make a reasonable assumption that sales would increase if this were an option.

By what metric? You are just saying "I see lots of people saying they'd play it if it was easier!"

So like what? 10? 20? 100?

That's not going to change anyone's mind. Nor would a thousand, or two thousand.

A game would literally have to bomb on this merit to make a difference to anyone, and since the games sell well enough as is, it's clearly reaching their target audience and making the companies involved happy with their share.

Summary: you can't prove this matters, probably because it doesn't.

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I4NRulez posted...

idk, you can also just summon people but that doesn't count to them either.

Oh yea completely slipped my mind. Summons, mage builds, tower shield builds, archer builds

Hell before I got good, I'd take a bow and a million arrows and arrow everything to death from afar. That's easy mode too

Callimbmachus posted...

Ok but like I'm genuinely wondering why it doesn't count as easy mode

Probably because it still requires more effort than just selecting "Easy" at the start, similar to over-grinding in some JRPG and steamrolling the game.
I dunno.

The walkway above the painting room in Anor Londo needs a big trampoline that bounces you back up if you fall. Gargoyles should have harmless foam bats instead of weapons. Gwyn should keep tripping over and intermittently forgetting what he's doing and where he is.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

To be fair, summoning is very unreliable as a way to make the game easy.

True, but its there. I've carried people who suck at the game through it fairly easy. Maybe theres a few bosses that we wipe on for dumb reasons or we meet some godly PVP players. I've never really found it hard with a summon or two next to you.

I think its people that are just afraid of dying in games really.

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Callimbmachus posted...

Oh yea completely slipped my mind. Summons, mage builds, tower shield builds, archer builds

Hell before I got good, I'd take a bow and a million arrows and arrow everything to death from afar. That's easy mode too

lol i dk why so many think thats easy mode, easy mode needs to be a selectable menu option, fear not, when i win the lotto and invest in from soft and become a majority shareholder we will definitely get easy mode people that dont like it dont have to play on easy


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I'd for sure be more likely to play these games if they weren't so hard. The worldbuilding and art direction is pretty cool imo, but I don't have fun playing DS games so I just don't

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skermac posted...

lol i dk why so many think thats easy mode, easy mode needs to be a selectable menu option, fear not, when i win the lotto and invest in from soft and become a majority shareholder we will definitely get easy mode people that dont like it dont have to play on easy

Why does it have to be a selectable option? There are easy ways to play the game, like easy enough for anyone to beat them

Callimbmachus posted...

Why does it have to be a selectable option? There are easy ways to play the game, like easy enough for anyone to beat them

not really plus selectable easy is what we want when im in charge one hit kills will be an option but enemies cant kill me in one hit and online will be disabled when something like one hit kills is selected

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Callimbmachus posted...

Why does it have to be a selectable option? There are easy ways to play the game, like easy enough for anyone to beat them

Presumably most people who would play on easy are inexperienced players who wouldn't necessarily know the specific way to play the game that makes it easier, so a selectable option would be for those folks

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Ok but you are all missing the biggest point...and that is the devs want the games to be played a certain way.

If the people who make the game dont want to put in traditional difficulty options they dont have to nor should they. Its their game.

Every game has a preferred way to play. Some of them even come right out and say it on the difficulty select screen. I don't see what that changes.

Like obviously it's their game and they can do what they want with it. Doesn't mean people can't want things

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I've never gotten around to playing a "Souls" style game, so have no horse in this race, & strongly disagree with you. Every game has a "default" state, & most difficulties are just derivative of that, created with modifiers. Sonic & shumps/bullet hell are the only games that immediately come to mind with a difficulty that isn't mostly "enemies do more damage" & "you do less damage". Relative to the default, easy modes tend to be you mindlessly ripping through masses, & hard mode is just chipping against massive HP bars without nearly getting one shot.

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eston posted...

Doesn't mean people can't want things

So does this not apply to the devs wanting to avoid difficulty options for some reason?

Or do they not count as people wanting things?

Spooking posted...

Na, disagree. DS would've been just another hack n' slash if it had an easy mode. The reason it's so popular and recognizable is because it has SOME sort of challenge.

The problem with this logic is the people who want a mode like this WOULD still find it challenging.

SSJPurple posted...

So does this not apply to the devs wanting to avoid difficulty options for some reason?

Or do they not count as people wanting things?

I'm not sure what you mean. No one is forcing them to add difficulty options. At the end of the day, if they don't want them then they won't be there.

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Also real talk, if you think the "difficulty" is just based on numbers then there is more to it than that.

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eston posted...

I'm not sure what you mean. No one is forcing them to add difficulty options. At the end of the day, if they don't want them then they won't be there.

and thats how it should be

hitokoriX posted...

Also real talk, if you think the "difficulty" is just based on numbers then there is more to it than that.

Also real talk, that's what most difficulty modes tend to come down to. It's why I generally never bother with a hard mode until I'm basically bored with normal. Also why I just NEVER bother with anything such as Fire Emblem's lunatic difficulties, because they're only truly difficult until you can catch up to the bloated stats.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

They can. The problem is that it very easily could be for them, and there's no good reason for the devs not to do it.

There is a good reason, it doesn't align with their vision of the game. They have every right to make the game they want and they don't have to cater to people who don't want to invest time into the game to get good.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

Also, using casuals in any sort of derogatory way kills any credibility you might have had.

No it doesn't, that's your opinion which is wrong but you're entitled to it. Casuals are people who refuse to or can't invest time into a game to get good so they bitch and moan that a game needs an easy mode or should be catered to casual players.

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Creators intent.

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Somebody should at least make a new version of the game shark

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