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doxxing people like Chris-Chan with autism, as well as random people in places like gas stations using slurs who're clearly under the influence of heavy drugs -- how soon until they start doxxing elderly people with dementia in nursing homes for being racist or rapey? Because basic medical literacy is expendable if it's for a supposed social cause.

This topic is so stupid in so many ways that I don't even know where to begin.

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Guide posted...

This topic is so stupid in so many ways that I don't even know where to begin.

How is it stupid? There are plenty of examples of people with autism, mental delay, drug abuse issues, etc. that have been doxxed or victims of digital vigilantism. Which clearly points to medical illiteracy on those issues.

Have you considered closing your account and never posting again

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thank god the edit made everything clear

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Have you considered closing your account and never posting again

I'm bringing up something really fucking important that nobody ever considers.
It's absolutely absurd to hold everybody to the same level of accountability, especially in the cases of people with severe cognitive issues.

I really don't want to hear conservatives talk about "basic medical literacy" these days.

• Conservatives downplayed covid-19 from the beginning
• Conservatives continue to downplay covid-19 even after 588,000 people have died from it in the US alone
• Conservatives continue to disregard any data at all about covid-19 or medical/scientific evidence about how to slow the spread in favor of insane conspiracy theories
• Conservatives tried to defend Derek Chauvin ad nauseum as if George Floyd died from a drug overdose even though we watched what happened on video. The trial happened and multiple medical experts testified and established that lots of people survived with much higher levels of the related drugs George Floyd had in his system. That still didn't stop conservatives from trying to argue otherwise.

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CableZL posted...

I really don't want to hear conservatives talk about "basic medical literacy" these days.
* Conservatives downplayed covid-19 from the beginning
* Conservatives continue to downplay covid-19 even after 588,000 people have died from it in the US alone
* Conservatives continue to disregard any data at all about covid-19 or medical/scientific evidence about how to slow the spread in favor of insane conspiracy theories
* Conservatives tried to defend Derek Chauvin ad nauseum as if George Floyd died from a drug overdose even though we watched what happened on video. The trial happened and multiple medical experts testified and established that lots of people survived with much higher levels of the related drugs George Floyd had in his system. That still didn't stop conservatives from trying to argue otherwise.

I'm not a conservative at all and never have been. Not even close.
I just don't like this new generation of people who excuse shit like digital vigilantism, don't believe in rehabilitation or discourse, etc.

bobbaaay posted...

I'm not a conservative at all and never have been. Not even close.
I just don't like this new generation of people who excuse s*** like digital vigilantism, don't believe in rehabilitation or discourse, etc.

Maybe some people are tired of people excusing racists, rapists, etc. even more and are tired of having to deal with racists and rapists. Being on drugs isn't an excuse for being racist.

"Oh sure, you're aggressively dehumanizing me, but it's OK because you're high"

nah

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This is some peak ceman shit

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And to address those points just personally, political identities aside:

I never would downplay covid-19. I work at a hospital that had a temporary RICU built, and I had to stock tube feeds to the unit. I passed by those rooms, saw the patients, read the death tolls on the white board that the medical team used on the unit, etc.
I don't believe any of the conspiracy theories. Not the reverse transcription of HIV, microchips, etc. any of that bullshit. If the government was going to do any "population control" they wouldn't start with healthcare workers - they'd start in low income neighborhoods, clearly, as they have in the past.
I never watched the Floyd video, so I won't pretend to have an opinion on something I know nothing about. But I will say that I'm well aware of police brutality, abuse of power, law enforcement egos, etc. -- systematic racism aside. I'm not surprised when any cop kills anybody when their fragile egos are threatened.

codey posted...

This is some peak ceman shit

@bobbaaay is a peak CEman for sure

I'm on the autism spectrum and I'm not a piece of shit, so what was Chris-Chan's excuse?

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Maybe Ahmaud Arberry's killers should have used the "I'm on drugs" excuse.
Maybe the people who ran over James Craig Anderson because they "wanted to kill the first n-word they could find" should have used the "I'm on drugs" excuse.
Maybe the guy who grabbed a shotgun and fired a shot at Brennan Walker when he was just asking for directions to school should have used the "I'm on drugs" excuse.
Maybe the woman who told lies about Emmett Till that led to his lynching should have used the "I'm on drugs" excuse instead of waiting until she was on her death bed to come clean.
That totally would have excused them.

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There is not, and should not be, a right to anonymity.

CableZL posted...

Maybe some people are tired of people excusing racists, rapists, etc. even more and are tired of having to deal with racists and rapists. Being on drugs isn't an excuse for being racist.

"Oh sure, you're aggressively dehumanizing me, but it's OK because you're high"

nah

How is recognizing that people with severe cognitive issues should have a different level of accountability "excusing" them? Like for pretending to be an empathetic individual, you guys really do a great job at downplaying the horrific effects of heavy drug addiction.

bobbaaay posted...

How is recognizing that people with severe cognitive issues should have a different level of accountability "excusing" them? Like for pretending to be an empathetic individual, you guys really do a great job at downplaying the horrific effects of heavy drug addiction.

You're trying to make the argument that they're only saying/doing racist things or raping people because they're on drugs.

Because fuck the people who are the targets of their racism/rapes. They should just deal with it and be quiet for the sake of the anonymity of the rapist/racist.

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Its illegal to record people in nursing homes without permission

not illegal to record people being racist in public

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hockeybub89 posted...

I'm on the autism spectrum and I'm not a piece of shit, so what was Chris-Chan's excuse?

abusive parents

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hockeybub89 posted...

I'm on the autism spectrum and I'm not a piece of shit, so what was Chris-Chan's excuse?

Holy shit bro, big fucking idea here - maybe because it's a FUCKING SPECTRUM?
And because being more susceptible to certain behaviors, disorders, diseases, etc. doesn't necessarily you'll always fall victim to them. Lots of people on the spectrum need consistency, and are afraid of otherness. This is why disordered eating is extremely common with them.
It doesn't help when she was more prone to a fear of otherness, is kind of pretty low functioning, was raised in a rural area by parents who were racists themselves, and was most active online during a time when there was tons of casual racism and it was okay to call people "x-lets" and stuff on online gaming.

bobbaaay posted...

How is it stupid? There are plenty of examples of people with autism, mental delay, drug abuse issues, etc. that have been doxxed or victims of digital vigilantism. Which clearly points to medical illiteracy on those issues

It's stupid because it's a slippery slope fallacy predicated on the implication that bigotry should be excused if someone's on drugs, and that chris-chan's (unfortunately) well-documented life was covered by leftists instead of the 4chan community.

But go ahead, give some examples.

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If anyone is doxing Chris Chan it would be the edgy faux conservatives on 4chan lol.

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Guide posted...

It's stupid because it's a slippery slope fallacy predicated on the implication that bigotry should be excused if someone's on drugs, and that chris-chan's (unfortunately) well-documented life was covered by leftists instead of the 4chan community.

But go ahead, give some examples.

I didn't say drug use. I said drug abuse. I also was talking about digital vigilantism and doxxing -- not murder, rape, etc.
I've seen plenty of videos of people strung out on some heavy shit, like meth or heroin, getting into public disagreements and throwing around slurs or being messy. You can tell those people in a lot of those videos are heavy users.
I'm not talking about someone being drunk or high at a frat party and using a slur in casual conversation.

bobbaaay posted...

I didn't say drug use. I said drug abuse. I also was talking about digital vigilantism and doxxing -- not murder, rape, etc.
I've seen plenty of videos of people strung out on some heavy shit, like meth or heroin, getting into public disagreements and throwing around slurs or being messy. You can tell those people in a lot of those videos are heavy users.
I'm not talking about someone being drunk or high at a frat party and using a slur in casual conversation.

Your argument is that sometimes drugs make people who aren't racist become racist? I've done a lot of drugs and that's never happened to me...

Makes me think of this

https://youtu.be/009Cgke9UY4

The original video was removed. So this version with commentary is all I could find

Tenlaar posted...

Your argument is that sometimes drugs make people who aren't racist become racist? I've done a lot of drugs and that's never happened to me...

Everybody has internalized prejudices from living in our culture, as much as we should strive to try and reprogram them. It's also an easy tactic for someone of a type B personality to try and say the worst, most offensive thing they can say when they're backed in a corner. Also not everybody is the same and has the same social awareness or tact. It's almost like all humans are different, and they should be judged by the entire lot of their actions - what a concept?

Ryuko_Chan posted...

abusive parents

Doesnt mean you can do whatever you want.
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I don't think posting a video of someone who was doing something shitty is "doxing" them. If they post the video and someone says "oh shit I know them that's ________" it isn't doxing.

What HAS happened is people using doxing incorrectly.

I'd love to know how you're sure it's the "left" that doxed Chris Chan like 15 years ago.

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This is literally the dumbest topic I've ever seen on CE. No one is going to dox dementia patients in nursing homes because it's illegal to record them or release their personal information. No one is going to dox dementia patients in nursing homes because they're dementia patients in nursing homes. People who are neurodivergent and/or have addiction problems but are still members of regular society will be responded to when their actions impact people around them. These are not valid excuses for shouting slurs at strangers or sexually assaulting people. Jfc.

Ryuko_Chan posted...

abusive parents

Richard Ramirez was created by his environment. Doesn't excuse who he was as an adult

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bobbaaay posted...

Everybody has internalized prejudices from living in our culture, as much as we should strive to try and reprogram them. It's also an easy tactic for someone of a type B personality to try and say the worst, most offensive thing they can say when they're backed in a corner. Also not everybody is the same and has the same social awareness or tact. It's almost like all humans are different, and they should be judged by the entire lot of their actions - what a concept?

It makes a lot more sense when you realise it's about leftists getting their "fix" of calling someone out, and not out of genuine concern about the underlying issue.

This becomes more clear if you've ever spoken to a leftist when they think no one who isn't one of them is listening. Not universal, but a lot of them will gladly say far worse shit than the people they call out ever do, as long as they don't think they're going to get caught by the wider community doing so.

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Zikten posted...

Makes me think of this

https://youtu.be/009Cgke9UY4

The original video was removed. So this version with commentary is all I could find

This is a great example.
When I was working at a nursing home there was a woman who all she'd say is "I don't like black" over and over again. There was another guy who'd get naked and dance on the tables, guys who would get erections when they'd be bathed by the nursing techs, etc.
My brother's ex wife worked at a nursing home and was told there was a dude who would suck his own dick in public sometimes, and you should just let him do it because if you say anything you'd startle him.
My girlfriend's grandpa right now disrobes and walks towards the tv naked. He goes to Chinese buffets and tries to kiss all the waitresses. He didn't realize who his own daughter was and made a pass at her.

Like severe dementia is real bad. People do and say awful shit - but they don't even realize it or remember it. There's a reason why STD rates are so high in most nursing homes.

bobbaaay posted...

I didn't say drug use. I said drug abuse. I also was talking about digital vigilantism and doxxing -- not murder, rape, etc.
I've seen plenty of videos of people strung out on some heavy shit, like meth or heroin, getting into public disagreements and throwing around slurs or being messy. You can tell those people in a lot of those videos are heavy users.
I'm not talking about someone being drunk or high at a frat party and using a slur in casual conversation.

Let me adjust:

It's stupid because it's a slippery slope fallacy predicated on the implication that bigotry should be excused if someone's abusing drugs, and that chris-chan's (unfortunately) well-documented life was covered by leftists instead of the 4chan community.

But go ahead, give some examples.


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Zikten posted...

Makes me think of this

https://youtu.be/009Cgke9UY4

The original video was removed. So this version with commentary is all I could find

lol

I work in nursing homes and like 5 years ago we had this resident who used to call me Hitler

I am about 40% German >_>

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TheOtherMike posted...

This is literally the dumbest topic I've ever seen on CE. No one is going to dox dementia patients in nursing homes because it's illegal to record them or release their personal information. No one is going to dox dementia patients in nursing homes because they're dementia patients in nursing homes. People who are neurodivergent and/or have addiction problems but are still members of regular society will be responded to when their actions impact people around them. These are not valid excuses for shouting slurs at strangers or sexually assaulting people. Jfc.

I didn't say anything about sexual assault. Again - does that need to be repeated?
I was referred to dementia patients when I was talking about acting rapey. When I said acting rapey I was not referring to actual rape.

bobbaaay posted...

This is a great example.
When I was working at a nursing home there was a woman who all she'd say is "I don't like black" over and over again. There was another guy who'd get naked and dance on the tables, guys who would get erections when they'd be bathed by the nursing techs, etc.
My brother's ex wife worked at a nursing home and was told there was a dude who would suck his own dick in public sometimes, and you should just let him do it because if you say anything you'd startle him.
My girlfriend's grandpa right now disrobes and walks towards the tv naked. He goes to Chinese buffets and tries to kiss all the waitresses. He didn't realize who his own daughter was and made a pass at her.

Like severe dementia is real bad. People do and say awful shit - but they don't even realize it or remember it. There's a reason why STD rates are so high in most nursing homes.

This person isn't being doxxed and doesn't appear to be in a nursing home. Seems like someone in the family took a video of grandma at a gathering or restauraunt who was kind of senile and uploaded it thinking it might be funny.

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Trumble posted...

It makes a lot more sense when you realise it's about leftists getting their "fix" of calling someone out, and not out of genuine concern about the underlying issue.

If people being stupid ass bigots is the problem, calling them out seems to be on brand.

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bobbaaay posted...

I didn't say anything about sexual assault. Again - does that need to be repeated?
I was referred to dementia patients when I was talking about acting rapey. When I said acting rapey I was not referring to actual rape.

"Acting rapey" is literally sexual assault.

Trumble posted...

It makes a lot more sense when you realise it's about leftists getting their "fix" of calling someone out, and not out of genuine concern about the underlying issue.

This becomes more clear if you've ever spoken to a leftist when they think no one who isn't one of them is listening. Not universal, but a lot of them will gladly say far worse shit than the people they call out ever do, as long as they don't think they're going to get caught by the wider community doing so.

Exactly. It's not about trying to fix mental health or homelessness from drug abuse that can cause someone to have a public freakout. It's about finding the "bad guy."
It's not about empathy or trying to fix anybody's outlook - it's about public executions.

Guide posted...

Let me adjust:

It's stupid because it's a slippery slope fallacy predicated on the implication that bigotry should be excused if someone's abusing drugs, and that chris-chan's (unfortunately) well-documented life was covered by leftists instead of the 4chan community.

But go ahead, give some examples.

I'm in Chris Chan groups and lots of people who call themselves leftists say that she "deserved" it. Even if they weren't the original people who did the trolling back then -- they certainly find it excusable nowadays.

bobbaaay posted...

I'm in Chris Chan groups

Sounds like youre part of the problem then.

Peak CE topic

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bobbaaay posted...

doxxing people like Chris-Chan with autism, as well as random people in places like gas stations using slurs who're clearly under the influence of heavy drugs -- how soon until they start doxxing elderly people with dementia in nursing homes for being racist or rapey? Because basic medical literacy is expendable if it's for a supposed social cause.

TheOtherMike posted...

"Acting rapey" is literally sexual assault.

Okay, should I have said "making sexually explicit and inappropriate comments" or sexually harassing?
Maybe I used the wrong terminology there. I thought that was an all-encompassing term.

thronedfire2 posted...

lol

I work in nursing homes and like 5 years ago we had this resident who used to call me Hitler

I am about 40% German >_>

My theory is the lady was probably forced to join Hitler Youth as a child. She likely is regressing to that time.

bobbaaay posted...

Exactly. It's not about trying to fix mental health or homelessness from drug abuse that can cause someone to have a public freakout. It's about finding the "bad guy."
It's not about empathy or trying to fix anybody's outlook - it's about public executions.

You're responding to someone whos almost guaranteed to be part of the party whos the literal reason we havent tried to fix mental health or homelessness.


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bobbaaay posted...

Okay, should I have said "making sexually explicit and inappropriate comments" or sexually harassing?
Maybe I used the wrong terminology there. I thought that was an all-encompassing term.

You should respond to my original post and not cry about one minor semantic point to avoid addressing the overall message.

Dementia is no excuse for being a racist piece of s*** or rapey piece of s***, it is never okay and should never be allowed. If the nursing home wont kick out their rapey racists then the nursing home needs to be canceled/defunded.

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