Poll of the Day > Montana to end Extra Unemployment Benefits due to Work Shortages...

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/montana-governor-ends-extra-unemployment-payments-citing-worker-shortage-n1266346

Think its a good idea? (Poll Question)

if people dont wanna work we had better force them

thats just part of freedom

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Mead posted...

if people dont wanna work we had better force them

thats just part of freedom

Ya, that's always the weird thing when people mention communism. "What about the free riders who don't work?", well - they weren't working BEFORE either, ya num nuts!

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It's almost like paying people not to work when you have a labor shortage and a weak economy is a terrible idea or something.

Lokarin posted...

Ya, that's always the weird thing when people mention communism. "What about the free riders who don't work?", well - they weren't working BEFORE either

The professional puppy petter's "points" are always so fucking weird. Stopping paying people to not work isn't the same as "forcing" them to work, particularly considering some governments which HAVE forced people by work by tossing them into labor camps. I know the concept is completely alien to that guy, but working to support yourself has been the natural order since time immemorial.

As for you, Lokarin, and actual communism (as opposed to socialism, which is pretty big on paying people to not do things), historically communist societies have been pretty big on the whole forced labor thing.

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Mead posted...

if people dont wanna work we had better force them

thats just part of freedom

???

When you need people to work you shouldn't be encouraging them to not work with extra payments.

Zeus posted...

It's almost like paying people not to work when you have a labor shortage and a weak economy is a terrible idea or something.

The professional puppy petter's "points" are always so fucking weird. Stopping paying people to not work isn't the same as "forcing" them to work, particularly considering some governments which HAVE forced people by work by tossing them into labor camps. I know the concept is completely alien to that guy, but working to support yourself has been the natural order since time immemorial.

As for you, Lokarin, and actual communism (as opposed to socialism, which is pretty big on paying people to not do things), historically communist societies have been pretty big on the whole forced labor thing.

yee, i was referring specifically to when communism is first adopted, the transition period

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BlackScythe0 posted...

???

When you need people to work you shouldn't be encouraging them to not work with extra payments.

when you need people to work you should encourage them with good pay, benefits, and a healthy work/life balance

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Kotenks posted...

Why don't employers raise their wages to encourage people to not stay on unemployment?

why don't people stop being lazy pieces of shit and get a little pride.

"I can make more money on unemployment, so I just won't work!"
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

why don't people stop being lazy pieces of shit and get a little pride.

"I can make more money on unemployment, so I just won't work!"

Exactly.

Take pride in your slave wages!

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

why don't people stop being lazy pieces of shit and get a little pride.

"I can make more money on unemployment, so I just won't work!"

employers wont even match unemployment which isnt anywhere close to enough for families to survive on, and you blame the workers for that? If you want people to work for you maybe make it worth it to them, cause they dont owe you a thing.

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Mead posted...

employers wont even match unemployment which isnt anywhere close to enough for families to survive on, and you blame the workers for that? If you want people to work for you maybe make it worth it to them, cause they dont owe you a thing.

This. Like seriously, people can't live on that pay, so fuck that.
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freedom costs a buck o' five

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

why don't people stop being lazy pieces of shit and get a little pride.

"I can make more money on unemployment, so I just won't work!"

Why work if it won't pay the bills or put food on the table? There's no point.

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The point of unemployment is to help people who can't find work.
Not to give them comparable wages while doing nothing.
And the working wage has to be significantly over the UI amount to entice people, since it's not worth an extra $100 or $200 a week to deal w/ 40 hours of labor, plus all the transportation and other costs of working, plus the fact you can wait a year to pay taxes on UI while as wages have it deducted up front.
These big boosts to UI regardless of the cost of living of the place is reckless. Montana I doubt is a high CoL area. An extra $300 per week (so min. $550 per week, from what I've seen in other topics, and potentially much higher) that you get "tax free" (for now...people don't tend to think long term) without having to do anything is difficult to compete with in these rural states. In California, maybe not.
That's the thing. CoL varies GREATLY.

Just do UBI already

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Mead posted...

employers wont even match unemployment which isnt anywhere close to enough for families to survive on, and you blame the workers for that? If you want people to work for you maybe make it worth it to them, cause they dont owe you a thing.

They don't owe you a thing but the tax payers owe them a living for doing nothing? Unemployment insurance was never meant to be permanent and the gov extended benefits when they went in to covid lock downs. Now that the state is open for business there's no reason not to end the extension.

hungrymike posted...

They don't owe you a thing but the tax payers owe them a living for doing nothing? Unemployment insurance was never meant to be permanent and the gov extended benefits when they went in to covid lock downs. Now that the state is open for business there's no reason not to end the extension.

and if employers want people to work for them then they need to compensate people with a livable wage

if they arent gonna do that let them boo hoo about how they cant find workers and let their ass go out of business

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Mead posted...

and if employers want people to work for them then they need to compensate people with a livable wage

if they arent gonna do that let them boo hoo about how they cant find workers and let their ass go out of business

You're right mead, there are no jobs that pay a livable wage.

hungrymike posted...

You're right mead, there are no jobs that pay a livable wage.

theres a bunch, the people that want them should go get them

but there arent enough for everybody, and some people dont want to

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Mead posted...

some people dont want to

Do you think Farmers want to get up at the crack of dawn every day? No, but if they don't people don't eat. Like it or not it's a struggle to survive and people aren't owed a living

keyblader1985 posted...

Exactly.

Take pride in your slave wages!

Absolute fucking clownworld lmao. People like that are so out of touch its scary. I cant imagine having nothing else going on with my life besides wanting to work.

And I dont even mind working! But it would be nice to be compensated more for it and / or not to have to spend so much time working.

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If people can make more money sitting at home, maybe the problem is wages. Wouldn't the free market dictate that companies will raise wages to compete?

hungrymike posted...

Do you think Farmers want to get up at the crack of dawn every day? No, but if they don't people don't eat. Like it or not it's a struggle to survive and people aren't owed a living

people would just eat other things

I dont owe that farmer anything I was just wandering around

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hungrymike posted...

They don't owe you a thing but the tax payers owe them a living for doing nothing? Unemployment insurance was never meant to be permanent and the gov extended benefits when they went in to covid lock downs. Now that the state is open for business there's no reason not to end the extension.

And people don't owe employers their time, health and effort.

Mead posted...

people would just eat other things

I'm sure those other things would just fly right into their mouths. Probably chew itself too, can't have people suffer the burden of chewing.

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

And people don't owe employers their time, health and effort.

Absolutely right.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

why don't people stop being lazy pieces of shit and get a little pride.

"I can make more money on unemployment, so I just won't work!"

Are you honestly trying to tell us that you'd rather work an unpleasant job for less money than you'd make being unemployed? That you take pride in working for sub-living wages?

The brainwashing is real.

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Because while entitled workers are a major problem, entitled corporations are perfectly fine, and in fact should receive massive government subsidies to ensure their sense of entitlement does not go unfulfilled. Obviously.

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hungrymike posted...

I'm sure those other things would just fly right into their mouths. Probably chew itself too, can't have people suffer the burden of chewing.

they'd have to hunt something

or forage

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Mead posted...

they'd have to hunt something

or forage

Or in other words, work.

Why the fuck would I want to work for less money when I can live more comfortably on unemployment? It's insane that so many people advocate for wages that don't allow someone to live without the threat of eviction or going hungry. If the problem is unemployment paying more than employers then maybe employers should value workers more and stop lining the pockets of CEOs.

Workers aren't "entitled" for taking more money for less work, that's just being smart. If this happened 30 years ago and the biggest billionaire celebrity's backstory involved earning money on unemployment, all the internet jackoffs would be creaming themselves over how smart they were to earn more money doing less work.

The people advocating for people to get off their ass and work for poverty wages are the same people that would tell you that you don't have a "real job" if you work in the service industry and you don't deserve to make enough money to live comfortably.

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OrangeDawn posted...

If the problem is unemployment paying more than employers then maybe employers should value workers more and stop lining the pockets of CEOs.

Eeyup. I've seen it said many times since this whole thing began: If people won't work for you because they make more on unemployment, you aren't creating jobs, you're exploiting poverty.

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Mead posted...

when you need people to work you should encourage them with good pay, benefits, and a healthy work/life balance

I mean it doesn't really work that way. The place I worked has drastically increased wages, like starting part time at $13 an hour. People will still chose to sit at home drawing unemployment because the extra benefits are enough for them to get by on, they really were over the top.

why should you get paid by the government to do nothing?
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Why should I get paid garbage to do everything?

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keyblader1985 posted...

Why should I get paid garbage to do everything?

You get paid what you choose to accept.

The entire UI boost is basically a shameless attempt to artificially create "demand" for higher wages by Democrats.
Just pass a minimum wage increase if that's the goal! $15 is a stupid arbitrary number, but by all means match it to where it should be based on inflation, then index to inflation annually going forward. But doing that would require having a spine. Sneaky is easier.
The way they've gone about it is so crappy and unfair. There's lots of people in essential jobs that have had to keep working getting zero benefit from these handouts.

BlackScythe0 posted...

I mean it doesn't really work that way. The place I worked has drastically increased wages, like starting part time at $13 an hour. People will still chose to sit at home drawing unemployment because the extra benefits are enough for them to get by on, they really were over the top.

Yup. It's not enough to pay more than the unemployment.
Working sucks, and going to work adds expenses. The job has to pay significantly more money to get people to give up the easy money that requires nothing.
Again, if it were UBI it'd be different, then any wages would be on top of the handout, not instead of it.

BlackScythe0 posted...

You get paid what you choose to accept.

That's what's happening here.

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keyblader1985 posted...

That's what's happening here.

Nah, the increased unemployment benefits due to covid weren't "normal"

Krazy_Kirby posted...

why don't people stop being lazy pieces of shit and get a little pride.

"I can make more money on unemployment, so I just won't work!"

I really want to know what you do for work

BlackScythe0 posted...

Nah, the increased unemployment benefits due to covid weren't "normal"

What?

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hungrymike posted...

Or in other words, work.

for themselves to get food

not for someone else

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We're so close to legalizing slavery again, I can feel it in my bones

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My Favorite pizza place closed recently because they couldnt find workers. Not because they couldnt find customers.

People are refusing to work for good reason.

Why go back to struggling to live by working for minimum wage when you can get paid more for unemployment?

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Ha more GOP rhetoric. Most adult Americans aren't too thrilled with working low-paying jobs that now permeate America. More alarmist propaganda. Quick! Protect the women and children, they're coming to take our stuff.

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Mead posted...

if people dont wanna work we had better force them

thats just part of freedom

Not giving people money for nothing doesn't equate to forcing them to work

OhhhJa posted...

Not giving people money for nothing doesn't equate to forcing them to work

Given that Brisashi doesn't work, you can see why he wouldn't understand something like that >_>

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love the lazy people complaining about not getting paid to sit on their ass at home not working
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What if we gave them some sort of benefit that doesn't get taken away when working? Idk maybe some sort of basic income, and so the current workers don't get screwed we can give it to everyone

We can even get rid of unemployment, food stamps, subsidized housing, etc to pay for it

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