Current Events > I can't believe some CEmen are actually supporting Israel in their genocide

(+) Yeah! (+)

yikes

---

I read yikes as something else. That ain't cool

---

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

I read yikes as something else. That ain't cool

Don't be a racist then

---

I can absolutely believe it, honestly.

There is absolutely no subject some of these people won't troll about.

---

To them the genocidal theocratic ethnostate would be perfect if it wasn't for all the Jews.

Love that the internet is throwing their outraged opinions into something they clearly have little to no understanding of that's been going on for like 3 generations now.

---

can't exactly get behind Hamas either

situation is just totally fucked

---

Of course upper middle class to rich white men support genocide who are largely from countries responsible for countless genocides

US be like, We dont negotiate with terrorists, unless theyre terrorizing the right people, then well be allies.

---

DespondentDeity posted...

US be like, We dont negotiate with terrorists, unless theyre terrorizing the right people, then well be allies.

ameriKKKa

Delirious_Beard posted...

can't exactly get behind Hamas either

situation is just totally fucked

correct. both sides fucking suck.

---

I really hates that this is happening just one day before Islam's biggest holiday.
they're usually chants "Allahu Akbar" a whole day on Eid al fitr, and some dumbass will fear mongering that is a call for terror.

---

There really is no good side to this, and trying to involve yourself in the debate just means having to wade through a giant swamp of shit.
---

Delirious_Beard posted...

can't exactly get behind Hamas either

situation is just totally fucked

The majority of Palestinians aren't in Hamas and do not live in Hamas controlled territory. Look at a map of Palestine. Notice how small Gaza is.

---

anyone who picks up a gun in this conflict is a piece of shit. Radical Islam dumbasses or Israelis.
The only one I pity are the innocent civilians.

---

Genocide is a word idiots like throwing around without knowing its meaning.

• Germans killing 6 millions of jews during WW2 was a genocide.
• Turks killing 1.5 millions of Armenians in 1915 was a genocide.
• British invaders killing the majority of native people in modern USA and Australia were genocides.
• Spanish invaders killing the majority of South America native population was a genocide.
• A few thousand arabs killed over 70+ years of ongoing war is not a genocide.

---

Legendary Kapik posted...

Genocide is a word idiots like throwing around without knowing its meaning.
* Germans killing 6 millions of jews during WW2 was a genocide.
* Turks killing 1.5 millions of Armenians in 1915 was a genocide.
* British invaders killing the majority of native people in modern USA and Australia were genocides.
* Spanish invaders killing the majority of South America native population was a genocide.
* A few thousand arabs killed over 70+ years of ongoing war is not a genocide.

Genocide is more than just death numbers. Jesus fuck, talk about not knowing its meaning

---

Genocide is about numbers. To be precise, genocide is deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. As sad as it is, teh number of people killed in this war is relatively small.

---

MuayThai85 posted...

Don't be a racist then

It's 100% deliberate.

---

What does LL think of this.

---

Veggeta X posted...

What does LL think of this.

jesster said we should glass the palestinian children

---

https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf

Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part1 ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

---

metallica846 posted...

Is it a coincidence that this all popped off when Netanyahu is in the fight for his political life and possible freedom?

Wow, you'd think he'd have some compassion for the Palestinians then. Considering how much they have in common.

---

Its offensive to call this a genocide, when Hamas has talked multiple times about killing all the Jews. Only one side in this war is genocidal and thank god they don't have the resources to carry it out.

---

heard this conflict been going on for decades.

so sad humans still fighting for land instead of just co-existing... *sigh*

Legendary Kapik posted...

Genocide is a word idiots like throwing around without knowing its meaning.
* Germans killing 6 millions of jews during WW2 was a genocide.
* Turks killing 1.5 millions of Armenians in 1915 was a genocide.
* British invaders killing the majority of native people in modern USA and Australia were genocides.
* Spanish invaders killing the majority of South America native population was a genocide.
* A few thousand arabs killed over 70+ years of ongoing war is not a genocide.

This. It cheapens the word when using it in the context of this conflict.
Ethnic cleansing and forced relocation by land theft is definitely applicable

brestugo posted...

https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf

Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part1 ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

They Israelis are doing a shit job then.

Davos posted...

This. It cheapens the word when using it in the context of this conflict.
Ethnic cleansing and forced relocation by land theft is definitely applicable

https://campus.zoa.org/myth/myth-israel-practices-ethnic-cleansing-against-arabs/

I found this article, I know it's from an Israeli site, and thus, biased, but what is the definition of ethnic cleansing? If they are actually GROWING the amount of Arabs in Israeli society and they have equal rights....how....how is that ethnic cleansing?

I realize that they are pushing people off of their land (but wasn't that land they won in a war where the Arab nations attacked first or something?) but I don't know.

Im not sure about ethnic cleansing. I guess I could be convinced there maybe but id need to see a lot more...

but calling it a genocide is offensive.

---

HHH is the game posted...

but calling it a genocide is offensive.

Its more akin to what the Nazis were doing in the years leading up to the Holocaust.


---

HHH is the game posted...

https://campus.zoa.org/myth/myth-israel-practices-ethnic-cleansing-against-arabs/

I found this article, I know it's from an Israeli site, and thus, biased, but what is the definition of ethnic cleansing? If they are actually GROWING the amount of Arabs in Israeli society and they have equal rights....how....how is that ethnic cleansing?

I realize that they are pushing people off of their land (but wasn't that land they won in a war where the Arab nations attacked first or something?) but I don't know.

Im not sure about ethnic cleansing. I guess I could be convinced there maybe but id need to see a lot more...

but calling it a genocide is offensive.

There is not set definition of ethnic cleansing.

But

Ethnic Cleansing

Ethnic cleansing has not been recognized as an independent crime under international law. The term surfaced in the context of the 1990s conflict in the former Yugoslavia and is considered to come from a literal translation of the Serbo-Croatian expression etniko ienje. However, the precise roots of the term or who started using it and why are still uncertain.
The expression ethnic cleansing has been used in resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly, and has been acknowledged in judgments and indictments of the ICTY, although it did not constitute one of the counts for prosecution. A definition was never provided.

Definition
As ethnic cleansing has not been recognized as an independent crime under international law, there is no precise definition of this concept or the exact acts to be qualified as ethnic cleansing. A United Nations Commission of Experts mandated to look into violations of international humanitarian law committed in the territory of the former Yugoslavia defined ethnic cleansing in its interim report S/25274 as " rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area." In its final report S/1994/674, the same Commission described ethnic cleansing as a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.
The Commission of Experts also stated that the coercive practices used to remove the civilian population can include: murder, torture, arbitrary arrest and detention, extrajudicial executions, rape and sexual assaults, severe physical injury to civilians, confinement of civilian population in ghetto areas, forcible removal, displacement and deportation of civilian population, deliberate military attacks or threats of attacks on civilians and civilian areas, use of civilians as human shields, destruction of property, robbery of personal property, attacks on hospitals, medical personnel, and locations with the Red Cross/Red Crescent emblem, among others.
The Commission of Experts added that these practices can constitute crimes against humanity and can be assimilated to specific war crimes. Furthermore, such acts could also fall within the meaning of the Genocide Convention.

Yeah what Israeli have been doing does fit the most understood definition of ethnic cleansing which falls under the umbrella of war crimes. It's not inconceivable that members of the Israeli goverment and armed forces could be tried in the Hague for what they've been doing.

Kakapo posted...

Its more akin to what the Nazis were doing in the years leading up to the

Took the Nazis 10 years to get to the Holocaust. Israel has been occupying Gazza for 60 years. What seems to be the delay?

Davos posted...

Took the Nazis 10 years to get to the Holocaust. Israel has been occupying Gazza for 60 years. What seems to be the delay?

Dont be fatuous, Jeffery.

Israel has been occupying Gaza for 60 years, but the treatment of the Palestinians has been getting progressively worse.

---

Kakapo posted...

Dont be fatuous, Jeffery.

Israel has been occupying Gaza for 60 years, but the treatment of the Palestinians has been getting progressively worse.

I don't deny that but these comparisons to genocide are ridiculous hyperbole and cheapen the word.
The Rwanda, Armenian and the Holocaust were genocides this isn't it. And it never will be.
As you can see from my previous post what the Israelis are doing falls under ethnic cleansing itself a war crime.
They can and maybe one day will be prosecuted in the international criminal court for what they've done. Just as the Palestinian leadership members who masterminded terrorist attacks on civilian populations should also be prosecuted

Aristoph posted...

I can absolutely believe it, honestly.

There is absolutely no subject some of these people won't troll about.

---

This might not be the textbook case of genocide but the fact that the world is even having this discussion shows we're somewhere in the ballpark. That alone is enough to be horrified of the situation.

---

David1988 posted...

This might not be the textbook case of genocide but the fact that the world is even having this discussion shows we're somewhere in the ballpark. That alone is enough to be horrified of the situation.

The way the world talks about it you'd think Israelis woke up and decided to just bomb Palestine for no reason, and not because hundreds of missiles were being sent at their civilians.

---

Davos posted...

There is not set definition of ethnic cleansing.

But

Ethnic Cleansing

Ethnic cleansing has not been recognized as an independent crime under international law. The term surfaced in the context of the 1990s conflict in the former Yugoslavia and is considered to come from a literal translation of the Serbo-Croatian expression etniko ienje. However, the precise roots of the term or who started using it and why are still uncertain.
The expression ethnic cleansing has been used in resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly, and has been acknowledged in judgments and indictments of the ICTY, although it did not constitute one of the counts for prosecution. A definition was never provided.

Definition
As ethnic cleansing has not been recognized as an independent crime under international law, there is no precise definition of this concept or the exact acts to be qualified as ethnic cleansing. A United Nations Commission of Experts mandated to look into violations of international humanitarian law committed in the territory of the former Yugoslavia defined ethnic cleansing in its interim report S/25274 as " rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area." In its final report S/1994/674, the same Commission described ethnic cleansing as a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.
The Commission of Experts also stated that the coercive practices used to remove the civilian population can include: murder, torture, arbitrary arrest and detention, extrajudicial executions, rape and sexual assaults, severe physical injury to civilians, confinement of civilian population in ghetto areas, forcible removal, displacement and deportation of civilian population, deliberate military attacks or threats of attacks on civilians and civilian areas, use of civilians as human shields, destruction of property, robbery of personal property, attacks on hospitals, medical personnel, and locations with the Red Cross/Red Crescent emblem, among others.
The Commission of Experts added that these practices can constitute crimes against humanity and can be assimilated to specific war crimes. Furthermore, such acts could also fall within the meaning of the Genocide Convention.

Yeah what Israeli have been doing does fit the most understood definition of ethnic cleansing which falls under the umbrella of war crimes. It's not inconceivable that members of the Israeli goverment and armed forces could be tried in the Hague for what they've been doing.

But, this is where I'm confused. If there are many Arabs living in Israel, the Arab population in Israel is increasing, and they are treated well (and apparently, better than in most middle eastern countries), doesn't this just fall under a land dispute? They aren't being forced to leave Israel because they're Arab. They're being forced to leave because they're on land that Israelis think belongs to them and they aren't Israeli citizens.

So I don't know.

---

"Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)."

Source:https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Just some nice words from Hamas

---

HHH is the game posted...

Source:https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Just some nice words from Hamas

We get that you support Israel. Stop spamming.

HHH is the game posted...

Source:https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Just some nice words from Hamas

I'm Jewish. Why would I support a group that wants me dead? stfu CE

ButteryMales posted...

We get that you support Israel. Stop spamming.

It's not even that I think Israel is innocent in all this. I don't think either side is very good. It's just that I was seeing so much anti-Israel sentiment on reddit and here that I began reading more about what was going on and became shocked that people were speaking so strongly when this was the other side in the conflict. I'm Jewish as well, but don't support Israel in all they do. Still from reading some of the posts here and on reddit you'd think this conflict was totally one-sided, so I felt like I had to show some of the other side

---

HHH is the game posted...

Still from reading some of the posts here and on reddit you'd think this conflict was totally one-sided, so I felt like I had to show some of the other side

That's a normal reaction. /s

HHH is the game posted...

But, this is where I'm confused. If there are many Arabs living in Israel, the Arab population in Israel is increasing, and they are treated well (and apparently, better than in most middle eastern countries), doesn't this just fall under a land dispute? They aren't being forced to leave Israel because they're Arab. They're being forced to leave because they're on land that Israelis think belongs to them and they aren't Israeli citizens.

So I don't know.

I just gave you the definition of ethnic cleansing. Israel's actions fit that definition.
So go run your bad faith just asking questions/feigning confusion shtick on someone else
Hasbsara trolls and pro Palestninian shills shitting up the board.

Davos posted...

I just gave you the definition of ethnic cleansing. Israel's actions fit that definition.
So go run your bad faith just asking questions/feigning confusion shtick on someone else
Hasbsara trolls and pro Palestninian shills shitting up the board.

Thats what Im saying though. You're saying that its " a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas."

Im not getting how Israel is doing that if Arabs in Israel are part of the population and growing and have equal rights. At that point its not ETHNIC cleansing. Its a land dispute. Right? Since they aren't trying to remove Arabs from Israel, they are trying to assert that they have the right to a territory that another nation also thinks they have the right to

---

Delirious_Beard posted...

can't exactly get behind Hamas either

situation is just totally fucked

I don't condone killing on either side, but Hamas wouldn't be doing this shit if Govt of Israel wasn't doing the shit they always do. Illegally Forcibly evict palestenians from their homes as they also gain more terrotory, and IDF shooting innocent Palestinian civilians for no reason in the process. Like they know it's going to lead up to this, but Israel does it anyway. Peace talks are hollow,. because govt of Israel is fucking crooked and will keep practicing apartheid and taking away land. U.S., Canada Britain, and France are supporting Israel 100%. Why do Americans have to give 3.8 billion of our tax payer money to fund israel and their weapon defendr?

No israeli citizen deserves to die, as does no Palestinian does either. But Israel knows what they are getting themselves into. Do they expect Palestine to bend over and take it? If someone forcibly tried to evict you from your neighborhood and shot you if you didn't, tell me you wouldn't try to defend yourself.

We can't trust Israel to have peace with Palestine. Netanyahu needs to be taken out immediately. Other countries need to step sanction Israel, and Israel needs to stop being funded immediately.

---

---

Palestinians would be shitty too if they were the majority.

---

Big_Nabendu posted...

this is racism.

---