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dave_is_slick
05/18/21 11:43:22 PM
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A defendants life is on the line. The witness is NOT framing him and wants everyone to know he's innocent. So why the fuck are you not telling me what the secret to your "trick" was? And same goes to the ever hateable Trucy. You figured it out and explicitly tell me this, but you'd rather send an innocent man to death than tell me?

I see why this game is not fondly remembered.

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MixedRaceBaby
05/18/21 11:46:43 PM
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im looking forward to those uh, ace attorney in feudal japan games coming to switch soon.

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Garioshi
05/18/21 11:47:36 PM
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MixedRaceBaby posted...
im looking forward to those uh, ace attorney in feudal japan games coming to switch soon.
it's not feudal japan holy shit

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LordFarquad1312
05/18/21 11:47:42 PM
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Ah yes, good ol' Apollo. The character so pulled out of someone's ass they give him a new backstory every game.

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MixedRaceBaby
05/18/21 11:47:55 PM
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Garioshi posted...
it's not feudal japan holy shit
feudal hong kong?

oh im dumb lmao

Feudal Los Angeles.

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dotsdfe
05/18/21 11:48:08 PM
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4-3, right?

That case is easily one of the worst in the series, for multiple reasons.

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dave_is_slick
05/18/21 11:55:38 PM
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dotsdfe posted...
4-3, right?

That case is easily one of the worst in the series, for multiple reasons.
Yes. I'm relatively new to the series so I have no nostalgia blinders and this is such a step back from what you said. The absolute character assassination on Phoenix himself, the knock-off Maya in Trucy, Trucy speaking to the court in every case so far despite not being a lawyer, this current case...

The only thing they got right is Prosecutor Gavin's theme. It's pretty damn catchy honestly

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ultimate reaver
05/18/21 11:57:09 PM
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People are way too hard on that game.

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TheHoldSteady
05/18/21 11:59:27 PM
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It was so bad the next two games are just trying to fix some of the damage it did to the series.

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dave_is_slick
05/19/21 12:03:55 AM
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ultimate reaver posted...
People are way too hard on that game.
I've played the first three and Spirit of Justice. No the fuck they aren't. They are being as harsh as it deserves.

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GiftedACIII
05/19/21 12:10:02 AM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Ah yes, good ol' Apollo. The character so pulled out of someone's ass they give him a new backstory every game.

Its a meme but it's still a huge improvement over the cardboard cutout in AJ.
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_____Cait
05/19/21 12:11:55 AM
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They pretty much ignore everything in that game until Spirit of Justice

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Garioshi
05/19/21 12:14:14 AM
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Crono99 posted...
It's the Ace Attorney equivalent of The Last Jedi
lmao no

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GiftedACIII
05/19/21 12:14:51 AM
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Oh yeah, Trucy also doesn't do that shit in SoJ, one of the ways SoJ really improved AJ's characters.
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LanHikari10
05/19/21 12:14:54 AM
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Tyranthraxus
05/19/21 12:16:18 AM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Ah yes, good ol' Apollo. The character so pulled out of someone's ass they give him a new backstory every game.

AJ: He's the son of Lamiroir
DD: And he's got this astronaut friend or some shit
SoJ: and his father wasn't a gramarye at all but a random nobody dude who fucked Lamiroir then took her baby to a foreign country named Khurain where he died in a fire leaving a third random dude to adopt him and he has an adopted brother and none of this was ever mentioned before because lmao

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ultimate reaver
05/19/21 12:20:55 AM
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Crono99 posted...
It's the Ace Attorney equivalent of The Last Jedi

aa2 is by far the worst game in the series except for the last case, does that make it the ace attorney equivalent of Turkish Star Wars

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GiftedACIII
05/19/21 12:24:45 AM
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I personally preferred 2-2 and 2-3 over 4-2 and 4-3 respectively. 4-1 is way better than 2-1 of course but 2-4 completely makes up for that.
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dotsdfe
05/19/21 12:25:55 AM
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ultimate reaver posted...
aa2 is by far the worst game in the series except for the last case, does that make it the ace attorney equivalent of Turkish Star Wars

AA2 gets way too much hate. 2-2 is a top tier case IMO, and 2-3 is mid tier for me. 2-4 is absolutely top tier as well.

dave_is_slick posted...
Yes. I'm relatively new to the series so I have no nostalgia blinders and this is such a step back from what you said. The absolute character assassination on Phoenix himself, the knock-off Maya in Trucy, Trucy speaking to the court in every case so far despite not being a lawyer, this current case...

The only thing they got right is Prosecutor Gavin's theme. It's pretty damn catchy honestly

I do think that AA4 starts pretty strong. 4-1 is a top tier opening case and 4-2 is a pretty fun filler case.

Sadly it absolutely falls apart past that. 4-3 is awful, and 4-4 shits on Phoenix as a character for absolutely no reason while being really poorly-structured.

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AirFresh
05/19/21 12:32:27 AM
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Love Trucy. Her theme is so banging, here's an awesome Jazz rendition they did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f8jlnog0Fg

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dave_is_slick
05/19/21 12:33:03 AM
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ultimate reaver posted...
aa2 is by far the worst game in the series
Apollo Justice exists.

dotsdfe posted...
I do think that AA4 starts pretty strong. 4-1 is a top tier opening case and 4-2 is a pretty fun filler case.
I would've agreed with 4-1, had Phoenix not have actually forged evidence. Goes against everything he is.

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TendoDRM
05/19/21 12:36:43 AM
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As a long time Ace Attorney fan... Trucy >>>>> Maya

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dotsdfe
05/19/21 12:43:10 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...


I would've agreed with 4-1, had Phoenix not have actually forged evidence. Goes against everything he is.

It was supposed to show how far he had fallen. He didn't actually submit it, so it was more of less just an underhanded trick. Similar things get pulled a few other times in the series prior to that (once by Phoenix himself), so I didn't think it was that out of character.

With that said, 4-4 is an outright character assassination.

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Tyranthraxus
05/19/21 12:43:32 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...


I would've agreed with 4-1, had Phoenix not have actually forged evidence. Goes against everything he is.

He didn't though. He found a piece of evidence he thought was legitimate and it was fake.

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_____Cait
05/19/21 12:45:31 AM
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The worst thing about 4-4 is that it builds up this weird idea of a new technology, and they never mention it again.

Plus lol what was that ending with the demon in the hand

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TheHoldSteady
05/19/21 12:46:32 AM
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Kristoph Gavin had some potential as an antagonist

His backstory was nothing original but I liked the character design and personality

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dave_is_slick
05/19/21 12:53:04 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
He didn't though. He found a piece of evidence he thought was legitimate and it was fake.
I'm not talking about what he was accused of.

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pikachupwnage
05/19/21 12:56:11 AM
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MixedRaceBaby posted...
im looking forward to those uh, ace attorney in feudal japan* games coming to switch soon.

Feudal Los Angeles you mean.

Eat your hamburgers

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yunalenne10
05/19/21 12:59:51 AM
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TheHoldSteady posted...
Kristoph Gavin had some potential as an antagonist

His backstory was nothing original but I liked the character design and personality

That cold, calculating smile, and his theme song.

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dave_is_slick
05/20/21 9:53:28 PM
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So I saw many say 4-4 was terrible and save for "demon hand", I actually disagree. I can't quite pin exactly what appealed to me, but it was a great way to stitch the whole game together.

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Prismsblade
05/20/21 10:55:17 PM
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TheHoldSteady posted...
It was so bad the next two games are just trying to fix some of the damage it did to the series.
The whole series afterward was damage control. Hell they outright ignored the Jury system. introduced at the end which fundamentally destroyed one of the main aspects of the series.

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EnglishBullDoug
05/20/21 11:00:30 PM
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TheHoldSteady posted...
Kristoph Gavin had some potential as an antagonist

His backstory was nothing original but I liked the character design and personality
Never heard anyone compliment Gavin before. IMO he's the worst prosecutor in the series.
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AlisLandale
05/20/21 11:01:23 PM
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I didnt like Gavin. He wouldve been fine as a tutorial prosecutor, but hes too friendly and helpful to be an adversary.

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TendoDRM
05/20/21 11:12:54 PM
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Klavier is awesome.

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dave_is_slick
05/20/21 11:52:56 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
I didnt like Gavin. He wouldve been fine as a tutorial prosecutor, but hes too friendly and helpful to be an adversary.
Good, honestly. If every single one is an asshole then they'd be stale.

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catboy
05/20/21 11:55:05 PM
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Apollo Justice was pretty rough. I like the music themes and Klavier Gavin, though.

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AlisLandale
05/20/21 11:59:43 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Good, honestly. If every single one is an asshole then they'd be stale.

they dont need to be an asshole. I just want to play against an opponent that feels like they actually want to win.

Klavier feels like youre a six year old playing against your dad who is constantly going easy on you and dropping hints on how you can beat him. Thats the roll of the assistant, not the prosecutor. >_>

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EnglishBullDoug
05/22/21 3:24:56 AM
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Gavin isn't funny, menacing, and has no moments where I was really impressed with his skills as a prosecutor.

If they wanted to play up the rock star thing, at least make him a narcissistic asshole ala Tim Heidecker/Dekkar.

I was disappointed he wasn't the final cases murder victim so we could get an actual antagonist.
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