Poll of the Day > A Petition for $2,000 Monthly Checks has 2 Million Signatures so far...

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pionear
05/20/21 9:05:03 AM
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Which One?


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/petition-over-2-million-signatures-190005285.html

Think it will happen? (Poll Question)
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SunWuKung420
05/20/21 9:07:38 AM
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No. Go get a job!

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adjl
05/20/21 9:41:38 AM
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It's a little late. Realistically, even if it does pass, it won't be before the end of this year. At current vaccination rates, it can be expected that case numbers will be dropping to manageable levels by then, meaning business as usual can resume and further stimulation isn't really needed. This is something that should have been done pretty much as soon as stuff started shutting down to mitigate that harm and improve compliance with public health measures (and therefore the outcome).

Going to everyone doesn't seem altogether practical, though. Going to everyone that's been laid off (temporarily or otherwise) is more sensible, and that's really what the enhanced unemployment benefits accomplished.

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Zeus
05/20/21 9:57:44 AM
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pionear posted...
Think it will happen?

roflmao, no. Signatures don't always make stupid shit happen, and 2m is tiny for something for that.

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KaijunoKami
05/20/21 11:23:56 AM
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Frankly, this should have been a thing LAST YEAR!!

There is no excuse they couldn't have done $2000 stimulus checks a month throughout all of 2020 once the shit hit the fan.

However, petitions are useless as the government has fully shown how little they care about the publlic they claim to be serving.

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KJ StErOiDs
05/20/21 11:58:07 AM
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Lol no.

Reminds me of an episode of the Orville where society was actually run that way. Many LOLs were had there.

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Mead
05/20/21 12:08:50 PM
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Its a matter of time.

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PMarth2002
05/20/21 12:13:13 PM
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i'd love for it to happen, but its obviously not going to. if it was, it should've happened last year.

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kukukupo
05/20/21 12:42:15 PM
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$2,000 monthly?

I'd probably quit my job. I make more than that, but most of it just goes to savings. I live on less than $2k at this point.
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zebatov
05/20/21 12:50:54 PM
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Thats an absurd amount of money, USD.
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pionear
05/20/21 1:10:23 PM
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zebatov posted...
Thats an absurd amount of money, USD.

Some were making that off Unemployment with the added Benefits...
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Jen0125
05/20/21 1:18:44 PM
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zebatov posted...
Thats an absurd amount of money, USD.

No it isn't lmao. It's barely cost of living in a majority of areas.

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OhhhJa
05/20/21 2:06:21 PM
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adjl posted...
It's a little late. Realistically, even if it does pass, it won't be before the end of this year. At current vaccination rates, it can be expected that case numbers will be dropping to manageable levels by then, meaning business as usual can resume and further stimulation isn't really needed. This is something that should have been done pretty much as soon as stuff started shutting down to mitigate that harm and improve compliance with public health measures (and therefore the outcome).

Going to everyone doesn't seem altogether practical, though. Going to everyone that's been laid off (temporarily or otherwise) is more sensible, and that's really what the enhanced unemployment benefits accomplished.
Many industries are going to take a long time to recover after this is over. Probably won't be jobs for everyone that wants one
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Krazy_Kirby
05/20/21 5:01:22 PM
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OhhhJa posted...

Many industries are going to take a long time to recover after this is over. Probably won't be jobs for everyone that wants one


there are jobs available but people would rather sit at home
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Aculo
05/20/21 5:28:25 PM
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no way in hell. it would receive nearly zero house or senate support, and even if it miraculously passed, it would drive inflation up higher than we've ever seen, ok?

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KodyKeir
05/20/21 7:20:04 PM
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UBI would be great, but I'm not holding my breath.

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zebatov
05/20/21 7:32:40 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
No it isn't lmao. It's barely cost of living in a majority of areas.

Canadas CoL is much higher, and thats the exact number that we got, CAD.

I dont know what majority of areas means. And I dont see any citations.
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SunWuKung420
05/20/21 10:57:38 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
there are jobs available but people would rather sit at home
Very true. Restaurants in my area have started giving a singing bonus to new hires.

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SirPikachu
05/20/21 11:04:00 PM
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Lmao it's already very clear why that would never fucking work, no one wants to work as is, let alone with another $2k a month

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Mead
05/20/21 11:10:00 PM
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SirPikachu posted...
Lmao it's already very clear why that would never fucking work, no one wants to work as is, let alone with another $2k a month

ok but that just means me and the other layabouts are gonna not work but be more vocal about UBI

do you really need that kind of aggravation?

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Sarcasthma
05/20/21 11:56:25 PM
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Mead posted...
ok but that just means me and the other layabouts are gonna not work but be more vocal about UBI

do you really need that kind of aggravation?
I dont think Ive ever seen SirPikachu post in a topic and not leave immediately afterwards.

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KodyKeir
05/21/21 12:29:17 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
I dont think Ive ever seen SirPikachu post in a topic and not leave immediately afterwards.

probably doesn't know about the "Track Topic" button at the top and bottom of each thread.

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KaijunoKami
05/21/21 10:19:37 AM
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zebatov posted...
Thats an absurd amount of money, USD.

Not it's not. That's about the cost of my monthly rent.

kukukupo posted...
$2,000 monthly?

I'd probably quit my job. I make more than that, but most of it just goes to savings. I live on less than $2k at this point.

Or you could keep your job and use the money you make from your job as your fun money?

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KaijunoKami
05/21/21 10:23:12 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
there are jobs available but people would rather sit at home

That's bullshit!

Yes, there are some who do, but the vast majority do not. People just don't want to be treated like worthless dogs anymore. They want to feel welcomed in the workplace. They want loyalty. They want pay that lets them live comfortably. If a business is not willing to do all of that, why should people work for that business?

SunWuKung420 posted...
Very true. Restaurants in my area have started giving a signing bonus to new hires.

And how much are these restaurants paying per hour? How are the benefits? What are the hours?

Aculo posted...
no way in hell. it would receive nearly zero house or senate support, and even if it miraculously passed, it would drive inflation up higher than we've ever seen, ok?

So what you're saying is that you know businesses get to dictate how poor or rich people can be and have no qualms about it.


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SKARDAVNELNATE
05/21/21 10:50:47 AM
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Where does the money come from?

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Mead
05/21/21 10:52:15 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Where does the money come from?

a Value Added Tax that is used by every other developed nation in the world, and cuts to our massively overfunded military industrial complex

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Krazy_Kirby
05/21/21 12:36:56 PM
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KaijunoKami posted...


That's bullshit!

Yes, there are some who do, but the vast majority do not. People just don't want to be treated like worthless dogs anymore. They want to feel welcomed in the workplace. They want loyalty. They want pay that lets them live comfortably. If a business is not willing to do all of that, why should people work for that business?


they don't have to, but why should they make more sitting on their ass than doing a job? why should people who work pay into a system for people who never do?
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Mead
05/21/21 12:46:08 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
why should people who work pay into a system for people who never do?

because that system benefits everyone including workers

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Muscles
05/21/21 1:13:58 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
No. Go get a job!
Everyone, working or not, should get it. Then people can start going back to work since they aren't decentivised by doing so

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BUMPED2002
05/21/21 2:01:20 PM
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They waited far too long before the first stimulus package and the second one so most people by that time were already treading water financially especially hourly-paid folks or people who actually live "paycheck to paychecK' because whether anyone agrees or not, that is a thing.

Keep in mind that it's estimated that over half of the hourly-paid working people, including those with Full-Time jobs now live in or near the poverty level.

It's also estimated that roughly 1/3rd of people working are now considered Part-Time which means they do not qualify for healthcare coverage so that falls on the States medical programs which means we all contribute to that via taxes.

When people work and still qualify for government assistance for housing, medical and food subsidies, something clearly is wrong here.

On the other hand, we now have a handful of people with an estimated combined net worth of over $3 Trillion dollars.

The top 1 percent in the United States own roughly 40 percent of the nations wealth while the bottom 80 percent own only 7 percent. Clearly, something here is not right.


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Mead
05/21/21 2:11:57 PM
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Take money from the rich

and give it to me

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Krazy_Kirby
05/21/21 4:35:58 PM
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Muscles posted...

Everyone, working or not, should get it. Then people can start going back to work since they aren't decentivised by doing so


and then prices will shoot up sky-high
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KodyKeir
05/21/21 4:53:43 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
and then prices will shoot up sky-high

That's the same argument against raising the minimum wage, spoiler alert wages stayed stagnant for thirty years and prices still went sky high.

The problem isn't the peasants begging for enough to live on, it the top 1% who make more in a day then you will ever see in your entire life combined.

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Mead
05/21/21 5:09:36 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
and then prices will shoot up sky-high

cause prices are so low with so many people below the poverty line

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Monopoman
05/21/21 5:10:51 PM
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KodyKeir posted...


That's the same argument against raising the minimum wage, spoiler alert wages stayed stagnant for thirty years and prices still went sky high.

The problem isn't the peasants begging for enough to live on, it the top 1% who make more in a day then you will ever see in your entire life combined.

Nah, if minimum wage was enough to live on for a single person we would see prices skyrocket!

$10 for bread
$9 for a gallon of milk

Just look at the other parts of the world with a better minimum wage they literally can't survive!

I do laugh at those that think that the rich getting exponentially richer doesn't raise prices only when the bottom 20-30% of the country gets more money.
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KodyKeir
05/21/21 5:41:44 PM
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Monopoman posted...
$10 for bread
$9 for a gallon of milk

For people living in parts of Canada's North, that's a steal. Fights would break out if prices were that low.


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ItsKaljinyuTime
05/21/21 6:04:23 PM
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The reason other countries do this but the United States doesn't is because the United States is yuge. Canada can afford to throw money around, but the States is 10x the size of Canada and we all hate giving our money to the government.

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Mead
05/21/21 6:11:45 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
The reason other countries do this but the United States doesn't is because the United States is yuge. Canada can afford to throw money around, but the States is 10x the size of Canada and we all hate giving our money to the government.

we are an insanely wealthy and powerful nation

yet so many people are convinced the US cant afford to do anything at all to solve problems and make life better

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ItsKaljinyuTime
05/21/21 6:29:37 PM
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Mead posted...
we are an insanely wealthy and powerful nation

yet so many people are convinced the US cant afford to do anything at all to solve problems and make life better

Well not nothing at all, but it'd be crazy talk to compare us to places like Canada and New Zealand. They have so much more going for them than we do.

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KodyKeir
05/21/21 7:05:37 PM
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Mead posted...
yet so many people are convinced the US cant afford to do anything at all to solve problems and make life better

Heaven forbid you cut a whopping 1% of your military budget, won't someone think of the poor defence contractors, how will they pay the mortgage on their third yacht.

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Mead
05/21/21 7:07:18 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
Well not nothing at all, but it'd be crazy talk to compare us to places like Canada and New Zealand. They have so much more going for them than we do.



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ItsKaljinyuTime
05/21/21 7:10:13 PM
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Mead posted...

They're easier countries to take care of. America is a very needy country. But if you've got the money of a whole country, but the population of a large U.S. state, you've got lots of butter relative to the very little bread you have to spread it on.

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Mead
05/21/21 7:10:52 PM
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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...
They're easier countries to take care of. America is a very needy country. But if you've got the money of a whole country, but the population of a large U.S. state, you've got lots of butter relative to the very little bread you have to spread it on.



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SKARDAVNELNATE
05/21/21 7:42:19 PM
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Mead posted...
a Value Added Tax that is used by every other developed nation in the world
I'm reading the description at...
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/valueaddedtax.asp
It looks like it has more bad about it than good. Especially this part...
"higher pricesa particular burden on low-income consumers."
So if things are too expensive then people are given more money. But to raise the money to give them things need to be made more expensive.

Mead posted...
cuts to our massively overfunded military industrial complex
The government operates at a deficit. It would have to drastically cut spending just to break even. Even more so to catch up with previous spending. Cutting spending doesn't result in any additional funds until after they can afford the spending they were doing.

Muscles posted...
Everyone, working or not, should get it. Then people can start going back to work since they aren't decentivised by doing so
But why would they? As long as they can live within what they're already provided they won't need to either.

Mead posted...
because that system benefits everyone including workers
How does it benefit the one who the money is being taken from?

Mead posted...
Take money from the rich

and give it to me
That doesn't sound beneficial to the people who work to earn their money.

Mead posted...
yet so many people are convinced the US cant afford to do anything
It's not a matter of affording to. It's a matter of every time the government gets involved they manage to make everything worse.

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Mead
05/21/21 7:50:47 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
That doesn't sound beneficial to the people who work to earn their money.

those arent the rich Im talking about

Im talking about multi-billionaires

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Mead
05/21/21 7:51:58 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
It's not a matter of affording to. It's a matter of every time the government gets involved they manage to make everything worse.

You cant be dumb enough to actually think this

Really stop and think about it

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SKARDAVNELNATE
05/21/21 7:59:18 PM
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Mead posted...
those arent the rich Im talking about
So work to earn more money but don't be too successful at it.

Mead posted...
You cant be dumb enough to actually think this
Politicians are incredibly inept at most things they're put in charge of.

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Mead
05/21/21 8:04:25 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
So work to earn more money but don't be too successful at it.

everything should have limits

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jsb0714
05/21/21 8:11:40 PM
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If you think about it, only 2 million signatures isn't that great for a petition to just give you money.
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Monopoman
05/21/21 8:18:24 PM
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jsb0714 posted...
If you think about it, only 2 million signatures isn't that great for a petition to just give you money.

You act like everyone in America knows about the petition and has made a decision to sign it or not.
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